Bigeddysprings
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Win on the road against P5 competition and most all of the analytics will love you..All except RPI.
Win on the road against P5 competition and most all of the analytics will love you..All except RPI.
Why does anyone care about RPI, it will not and should not be used.
Kind of sucks that this is the season the NCAA gave up on RPI as it would benefit the Gophers and the rest of the B1G a great deal this season if they still used the RPI as no other conference comes even close to having as favorable of an overall RPI as the B1G has. And it's strange to me that they went from basing their decisions so heavily on the RPI to dropping it completely, but outside of how it would benefit the Gophers, I say, GOOD RIDDANCE, and it's about frigging time!!! RPI has to be one of the worst analytic rating systems ever devised.
RPI still matters because it's what the quads are based upon.
Also, I would argue if you are top 40 RPI and from a major conference, you will make the tournament.
Still and easy non-biased equation to determine if you are tournament level or not.
RPI still matters because it's what the quads are based upon.
Also, I would argue if you are top 40 RPI and from a major conference, you will make the tournament.
Still and easy non-biased equation to determine if you are tournament level or not.
Not true. NET ranking is what will be used for quads as well.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2018/8/22/17768922/ncaa-tournament-selection-process-rpi-net-metric-committee
Current NET Rankings
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings
Better do some research.
What the hell...
When did this happen?
I take a half season off of college basketball, and suddenly the whole world is changed.
Our RPI is 10.
Our NET is 52???
How the heck are we 52???
Can anyone provide how the NET ranking is calculated?
Has NCAA updated NET rankings from last night? The bookmark I have is still showing rankings only through games played Jan. 2.
Have a hard time believing NET ranking would remain the same (that's what it was through Wednesday's games) after a road win at the #15 team.
Not official, but this has us at 52 through Jan 2nd.
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2019/net
Down 7 spots from Dec 30th.
I assume they just copy the NCAA.
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings
Has NCAA updated NET rankings from last night? The bookmark I have is still showing rankings only through games played Jan. 2.
Have a hard time believing NET ranking would remain the same (that's what it was through Wednesday's games) after a road win at the #15 team.
If NET is some version or using KenPom as an input, the 52 rating has to have something to do with last year's data being carried over to this year? The last ten games last year were a disaster. When and/or if those numbers are diluted and gone, it should help the Gophers.
Pitino had an interesting comment on pre-game presser that most of the analytics don't care about winning. Strictly efficiency data. I suppose one could be really efficient but playing more efficient teams and lose, but seems unlikely.
His point is that a 1 pt win and a 1 pt loss are treated virtually the same because the analytics only care about the aggregated per possession outcomes, rather than W/L. While reasonable for predicting future performance, or quality of an opponent, I continue holding out hope that the actual outcomes againt great/good/decent opponents (i.e records v. tiers and other reasonable considerations) is what will carry the day in the end.
Utah jumps up to 96 in NET with their big win over Arizona ST and Santa Clara moves up to 188 with their win over San Diego pushing them into a tier 3 victory as opposed to a 4
It appears the formula consists of 5 different areas.
1. Team Value Index (probably similar to current RPI. Based on wins losses and strength of opponent with road, home, neutral site figured in)
2. Net Efficiency - points scored per possession - points allowed per possession
3. Winning percentage
4. Adjusted winning percentage - Reflection of RPI formula that was used in the past.
5. Scoring margin
Items 1, 3, and 4 all seem to be items that the current RPI system covered, or could have been modified (as it was in the past) to better match the goal of what they wanted.
Items #2 and #5 are new and it's hard to tell the impact / weighting of each.
In looking at the rankings, some interesting things. NET Ranking seems most closely aligned with Net Efficiency. One outlier however is Houston who is ranked #4 in NET rankings but lower in Net Efficiency.
However they have won 8 of their 12 games by 10+ points, so this seems to be the biggest reason they are a team out-performing their NET efficiency.
Santa Clara is on fire. 8-6 now with 6 straight wins.
I don’t understand why the selection committee would consider rankings that are so dependent on efficiency. Yeah, efficiency helps determine which teams really are the best and worthy of top 25, but for March Madness I think teams’ resumes as far as wins and losses should be the deciding factor (obviously with SOS taken into account). The margin of a team’s win shouldn’t really be considered nor should advance efficiency stats
If NET is some version or using KenPom as an input, the 52 rating has to have something to do with last year's data being carried over to this year? The last ten games last year were a disaster. When and/or if those numbers are diluted and gone, it should help the Gophers.
Pitino had an interesting comment on pre-game presser that most of the analytics don't care about winning. Strictly efficiency data. I suppose one could be really efficient but playing more efficient teams and lose, but seems unlikely.