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The Good, The Bad and The Interesting: The Richard Pitino Edition
By zipsofakron

http://www.gopherhole.com/news_article/show/244612?referrer_id=331171


Well that was fun, wasn’t it? When’s the last time an ongoing event had you glued to Twitter or whatever social medium you use for more than a week? Every day I thought “the” announcement could be made any minute, and I didn’t want to miss it. And the drama was really something, with rumors here or leaks there; trying to piece everything together and separate speculation from fact.

In the end, though, the Gophers and Norwood Teague landed a guy that should spark some excitement for the program and provide the refresh we all craved. Things were getting a little stale around here and, for better or worse, there was the feeling that Tubby’s leash might not be that long. In fact, it ended up being much shorter than I could have imagined and I certainly didn’t expect him to get the axe the day after the season ended.

Richard Pitino embodies the type of coach that has made Teague look good in the past. He’s had success as an assistant at big-time programs, has the support of prime time coaches that he served under, and has shown success as a head coach at smaller programs. Teague has shown us, at the very least, that he knows how to discover talent where others aren’t looking, and this certainly fits that mold. Who said the offseason would be boring?

GOOD:

There’s a coach on board who has something to prove – If there’s one thing that I’m excited about after this whole coaching search it’s that we not only came away with a guy who isn’t a retread, but we got someone who is young, hungry and has the drive to make things happen here. There was a lot of talk and hope about possibly getting a “home run” hire and really making a splash with the choice. Sure, getting a big name coach would have been nice and all, but let’s just remember our last home run hire and how quickly that honeymoon ended. This time it was important to get a guy that had an attractive combination of success, desire, recognition and recruiting ability and possibility of making this program his own.

Now, Tubby Smith brought the team back from the basement and made them annually competitive, which is not an easy thing to do. And he deserves tons of credit for making Gopher basketball into a program where we could even daydream about landing someone great. But it’s also important to recognize when a program has plateaued, and it was becoming painfully clear that was happening here. Whether or not that was due to lack of interest on Smith’s part is debatable, but it certainly appeared that the program needed an energy injection.

Now we get a young coach who hasn’t been around the block, who hasn’t headed up a big time program. Pitino has the opportunity to show that his time at Florida International wasn’t a fluke and that he has what it takes to succeed in one of the nation’s top conferences. That’s an incredibly huge motivational tool for someone early in their career and it will be interesting to see his career here play out.

BAD:

There’s definitely fallout from the coaching search – While there’s rightfully a whole lot of excitement around town now that we have a seemingly capable coach in tow, it’s not like we came away unscathed. For one thing during the interim period where the team was without a head coach one of our two recruits for 2013-14, Alvin Ellis, decided to decommit from the team and try his luck on the open college market. Ellis, a capable shooting guard from Chicago, didn’t necessarily fit the biggest need of the Gophers, which is in the frontcourt, but losing a recruit is never good. And the Gophers will be hard pressed to find someone at Ellis’ level during the spring signing period, where pickings are much slimmer. Can Pitino re-recruit Ellis and get him back? Sure he can. But there’s also that old saying about a bird in the hand.

Second – and I realize this is completely debatable – with Tubby and his staff completely removed from the scene, the Gophers lose whatever inroads had been made with the Big Three. Vince Taylor had a good relationship with Rashad Vaughn, but it’s unclear how much progress had been made with Tyus Jones or Reid Travis. It’s entirely possible that Tubby and his staff made minimal impressions with any of the three, but at the same time Pitino will come into the situation starting at ground zero. Monter speculated that Pitino could keep Taylor in the mix as an assistant, but that remains to be seen. Pitino has a good recruiting history, so it could end up being addition by subtraction, but it’s hard to deny that Gophers solidified their current position of purgatory in the recruiting race with the coaching change.

INTERESTING:

The life of a story during a coaching search – Watching the reactions to every bit of story and rumor during the coaching search was amazing to me. This was the first time I’d been part of a coaching search with the advent of social media, which lent quick insight into the pulse of both the fan base and media. What struck me the most was how quickly rumor became (and continues to be, actually) accepted as fact. Norwood Teague muddled the media’s plans by giving effectively zero insight into the process, how it was going and how far from the original plan things had deviated. What did everyone do? Naturally they started to speculate. Was Teague going after Shaka Smart? Brad Stevens? Fred Hoiberg? There were reports of extensions being offered, but it was unclear if Minnesota had actually approached any of these candidates directly. It was even unclear how the whole Flip Saunders thing went down, even though the whole saga was reported as if the story of both sides had been accurately reportered. In short, no one knew for sure what had actually happened, they could only guess.

And most of those guesses implied that Teague was having trouble finding a suitable candidate to fill the position. This sentiment, due to some irresponsible reporting, soon became accepted as the official narrative – that Teague actually WAS messing the whole thing up. As if taking time to really consider the proper candidates, work out terms and make a big decision was somehow “embarrassing” for the university. To me, it was interesting to watch the pulse of the fan base and media ebb and flow with each tidbit, however contrived those might be, watch a small rumor spiral wildly out of control and see it directly impact public perception.
 

Amen brother! My sentiments exactly. And I know for sure Tyus was not going to play for Tubby.
 

The Good, The Bad and The Interesting: The Richard Pitino Edition
By zipsofakron

http://www.gopherhole.com/news_article/show/244612?referrer_id=331171


Well that was fun, wasn’t it? When’s the last time an ongoing event had you glued to Twitter or whatever social medium you use for more than a week? Every day I thought “the” announcement could be made any minute, and I didn’t want to miss it. And the drama was really something, with rumors here or leaks there; trying to piece everything together and separate speculation from fact.

In the end, though, the Gophers and Norwood Teague landed a guy that should spark some excitement for the program and provide the refresh we all craved. Things were getting a little stale around here and, for better or worse, there was the feeling that Tubby’s leash might not be that long. In fact, it ended up being much shorter than I could have imagined and I certainly didn’t expect him to get the axe the day after the season ended.

Richard Pitino embodies the type of coach that has made Teague look good in the past. He’s had success as an assistant at big-time programs, has the support of prime time coaches that he served under, and has shown success as a head coach at smaller programs. Teague has shown us, at the very least, that he knows how to discover talent where others aren’t looking, and this certainly fits that mold. Who said the offseason would be boring?

GOOD:

There’s a coach on board who has something to prove – If there’s one thing that I’m excited about after this whole coaching search it’s that we not only came away with a guy who isn’t a retread, but we got someone who is young, hungry and has the drive to make things happen here. There was a lot of talk and hope about possibly getting a “home run” hire and really making a splash with the choice. Sure, getting a big name coach would have been nice and all, but let’s just remember our last home run hire and how quickly that honeymoon ended. This time it was important to get a guy that had an attractive combination of success, desire, recognition and recruiting ability and possibility of making this program his own.

Now, Tubby Smith brought the team back from the basement and made them annually competitive, which is not an easy thing to do. And he deserves tons of credit for making Gopher basketball into a program where we could even daydream about landing someone great. But it’s also important to recognize when a program has plateaued, and it was becoming painfully clear that was happening here. Whether or not that was due to lack of interest on Smith’s part is debatable, but it certainly appeared that the program needed an energy injection.

Now we get a young coach who hasn’t been around the block, who hasn’t headed up a big time program. Pitino has the opportunity to show that his time at Florida International wasn’t a fluke and that he has what it takes to succeed in one of the nation’s top conferences. That’s an incredibly huge motivational tool for someone early in their career and it will be interesting to see his career here play out.

BAD:

There’s definitely fallout from the coaching search – While there’s rightfully a whole lot of excitement around town now that we have a seemingly capable coach in tow, it’s not like we came away unscathed. For one thing during the interim period where the team was without a head coach one of our two recruits for 2013-14, Alvin Ellis, decided to decommit from the team and try his luck on the open college market. Ellis, a capable shooting guard from Chicago, didn’t necessarily fit the biggest need of the Gophers, which is in the frontcourt, but losing a recruit is never good. And the Gophers will be hard pressed to find someone at Ellis’ level during the spring signing period, where pickings are much slimmer. Can Pitino re-recruit Ellis and get him back? Sure he can. But there’s also that old saying about a bird in the hand.

Second – and I realize this is completely debatable – with Tubby and his staff completely removed from the scene, the Gophers lose whatever inroads had been made with the Big Three. Vince Taylor had a good relationship with Rashad Vaughn, but it’s unclear how much progress had been made with Tyus Jones or Reid Travis. It’s entirely possible that Tubby and his staff made minimal impressions with any of the three, but at the same time Pitino will come into the situation starting at ground zero. Monter speculated that Pitino could keep Taylor in the mix as an assistant, but that remains to be seen. Pitino has a good recruiting history, so it could end up being addition by subtraction, but it’s hard to deny that Gophers solidified their current position of purgatory in the recruiting race with the coaching change.

INTERESTING:

The life of a story during a coaching search – Watching the reactions to every bit of story and rumor during the coaching search was amazing to me. This was the first time I’d been part of a coaching search with the advent of social media, which lent quick insight into the pulse of both the fan base and media. What struck me the most was how quickly rumor became (and continues to be, actually) accepted as fact. Norwood Teague muddled the media’s plans by giving effectively zero insight into the process, how it was going and how far from the original plan things had deviated. What did everyone do? Naturally they started to speculate. Was Teague going after Shaka Smart? Brad Stevens? Fred Hoiberg? There were reports of extensions being offered, but it was unclear if Minnesota had actually approached any of these candidates directly. It was even unclear how the whole Flip Saunders thing went down, even though the whole saga was reported as if the story of both sides had been accurately reportered. In short, no one knew for sure what had actually happened, they could only guess.

And most of those guesses implied that Teague was having trouble finding a suitable candidate to fill the position. This sentiment, due to some irresponsible reporting, soon became accepted as the official narrative – that Teague actually WAS messing the whole thing up. As if taking time to really consider the proper candidates, work out terms and make a big decision was somehow “embarrassing” for the university. To me, it was interesting to watch the pulse of the fan base and media ebb and flow with each tidbit, however contrived those might be, watch a small rumor spiral wildly out of control and see it directly impact public perception.

Misleading and/or lame. How long was the Minnesota vacancy open relative to other recent Big Ten openings? Do you seriously think that Tubby had a chance to land any of the Big Three? Why do we have so many staff writers with allegiances to other schools so prominent in their screen names?
 




Misleading and/or lame. How long was the Minnesota vacancy open relative to other recent Big Ten openings? Do you seriously think that Tubby had a chance to land any of the Big Three? Why do we have so many staff writers with allegiances to other schools so prominent in their screen names?

Huh, I think you read it much differently than I did. On the recruiting front, I think he was just making the point that we have to start from scratch (and we DID lose our best 2013 recruit). On the coaching search front, this article came across to me like Zips was saying it's crazy how people THOUGHT Norwood was messing up while he really WASNT. I thought it was a good article that was fair - much better than most of the mainstream media drivel we get
 


Well done, Zips.

I, too, shook my head in amazement at how easily pure speculation was accepted as fact. Fans and media alike.
 

Huh, I think you read it much differently than I did. On the recruiting front, I think he was just making the point that we have to start from scratch (and we DID lose our best 2013 recruit). On the coaching search front, this article came across to me like Zips was saying it's crazy how people THOUGHT Norwood was messing up while he really WASNT. I thought it was a good article that was fair - much better than most of the mainstream media drivel we get

How do u know Norwood didnt mess up? Too many on gopherhole are assuming the best and bashing others that are assuming the worst. We have no clue if this was a good/bad hire. Give pitino a couple yrs and then set expectations.
 



Misleading and/or lame. How long was the Minnesota vacancy open relative to other recent Big Ten openings? Do you seriously think that Tubby had a chance to land any of the Big Three? Why do we have so many staff writers with allegiances to other schools so prominent in their screen names?

Yeah, I think you're misreading this. I've been mostly critical of the media's coverage of the story (minus Amelia and Sandell) and erred on giving the benefit of the doubt to Teague.

Also, my allegiance to Akron was a fleeting 3rd grade venture; now it's just a unique username without any numbers attached to it. Still, they're my favorite team in the MAC.
 

Great stuff as always zips. You and SS have great regular columns here that I really enjoy.
 

How do u know Norwood didnt mess up? Too many on gopherhole are assuming the best and bashing others that are assuming the worst. We have no clue if this was a good/bad hire. Give pitino a couple yrs and then set expectations.

I think this is a little bit different than what I was getting at. Look, I am all in on Richard Pitino especially after the presser. If others have valid criticisms or don't love the hire, that's totally fine (hopefully they still choose to support the program). What I think is ridiculous is the rampant speculation of how many guys Teague missed on, how nobody wanted to come here, etc.

To your point on waiting to evaluate, completely agree. We won't know for a while, so let's stop saying it was a mess. In my opinion, the hire was solid, and that means the process worked how it was supposed to work (to borrow Norwood's phrasing)
 

What did you read?

Misleading and/or lame. How long was the Minnesota vacancy open relative to other recent Big Ten openings? Do you seriously think that Tubby had a chance to land any of the Big Three? Why do we have so many staff writers with allegiances to other schools so prominent in their screen names?
 



How do u know Norwood didnt mess up? Too many on gopherhole are assuming the best and bashing others that are assuming the worst. We have no clue if this was a good/bad hire. Give pitino a couple yrs and then set expectations.

If we don't know, why assume Teague messed up? To some it is more enjoyable to assume the negative.

If the glass is half full................your bartender screwed up.
 






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