The Ben Johnson Hire vs. Comparable Hires







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Thank you. Understand better. Of course we seem to have had much less success than ISU and Utah but do see them as much better comps.
 


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Smith and TJ have already been head coaches. Sure first year at new school. Would be interesting to see Ben compared to others as well like Gates at Cleveland State, etc
 

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Updated through January 20 games. Craig Smith & the Utes struggling.

Second record listed is vs. Power 6 programs.

 



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Smith and TJ have already been head coaches. Sure first year at new school. Would be interesting to see Ben compared to others as well like Gates at Cleveland State, etc
Thanks. I knew that, but didn't make that clear with my wording. Now corrected moving forward.
 



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ISU really struggling after that hot start, Smith can't get anything going this year
Big XII is definitely the best top to bottom conference this season. ISU has built a great resume, so if they can just go 7-11 in conference play they should get a bid. But that’s going to be tough.
 




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Wow, whats the word with Utah? Did he bring a few over with him from Utah State? I noticed David Jenkins Jr is getting less and less minutes. The guy used to be really good at South Dakota State
Am surprised Utes have struggled this much. They look the part of a bottom end Pac 12 team. Right there with Oregon State.
 


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Thank you. Understand better. Of course we seem to have had much less success than ISU and Utah but do see them as much better comps.

Although Utah has had more success than Minnesota in recent years, Utah and Oregon State are the two worst PAC 12 teams this season.
 

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I'm going to use a very simple standard for comparison: coaches at power six conference programs who are coaching teams this season with very high player turnover due to transfers (this doesn't include players who left the team but are not listed as players entering the portal). To make this list, the program had to have had at least 8 players transfer from the 2020-2021 team (data from Verbal Commits).

Note that there are quite a few D1 programs that had 8 or more transfers at the end of last season but I limited the list to Power Six conferences. The categories should be self-evident with the winning percentage on the overall season.

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Observations:

1) There are multiple well-known names on this list. Ben Johnson is doing a little better than long-time veteran head coaches Martin and Anderson and much better than veterans Hurley and Crean. He is also doing much better than one of the veteran head coaches who was a primary favorite on this board as a successor to Pitino.

2) There are four first-time D1 head coaches on this list: Ben Johnson, Tommy Lloyd, Micah Shrewsburry, and Tony Stubblefield. Lloyd (who was a long-time assistant and associate head coach at Gonzaga) is leading the list this season (albeit at a program with a long history of substantial success). Shrewsbury was briefly a head coach at an NAIA school I believe and Stubblefield was briefly an interim head coach (2-12 record) at New Mexico State when Lou Henson stepped down for health reasons.
 

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I'm going to use a very simple standard for comparison: coaches at power six conference programs who are coaching teams this season with very high player turnover due to transfers (this doesn't include players who left the team but are not listed as players entering the portal). To make this list, the program had to have had at least 8 players transfer from the 2020-2021 team (data from Verbal Commits).

Note that there are quite a few D1 programs that had 8 or more transfers at the end of last season but I limited the list to Power Six conferences. The categories should be self-evident with the winning percentage on the overall season.

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Observations:

1) There are multiple well-known names on this list. Ben Johnson is doing a little better than long-time veteran head coaches Martin and Anderson and much better than veterans Hurley and Crean. He is also doing much better than one of the veteran head coaches who was a primary favorite on this board as a successor to Pitino.

2) There are four first-time D1 head coaches on this list: Ben Johnson, Tommy Lloyd, Micah Shrewsburry, and Tony Stubblefield. Lloyd (who was a long-time assistant and associate head coach at Gonzaga) is leading the list this season (albeit at a program with a long history of substantial success). Shrewsbury was briefly a head coach at an NAIA school I believe and Stubblefield was briefly an interim head coach (2-12 record) at New Mexico State when Lou Henson stepped down for health reasons.
Every once in a while someone puts up something of real value. Thanks.
 





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