Texas fans want Brewster?

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Based on the posts, it looks like Brewster should be able to find a job in Texas after he is fired here.
 

You simply cannot make this stuff up.

The bottom line seemed to be: he did well for Texas once, he can do it again (just not as HC).

(at least we won't feel bad about him being fired)
 

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I thought this was pretty funny from the thread.
 


If there was a way to manage to keep Brewster as a TE coach and recruiting coordinator, I'd be on board. I want his energy in my program, I just don't want him running it lol.

Of course, that would NEVER happen now LOL
 

my rant

I think a program could easily succeed under Brewster if he is given the financial abilities to hire a competent staff. He made the hiring decisions, so its still on him.
I think he made the mistake of hiring recruiters instead of position coaches when he started. He was going to rely on smart X's and O's guys to be coordinators and thought that would be enough. But its awfully hard to coordinate a defense or offense when your players don't know how to play their positions correctly.
Cosgrove is a mistake of all mistakes, I think Ronnie Lee is in that same boat. That secondary has never looked anything but lost in the past 4 years. Tim Cross' defensive line plays on ability only, not much technique.
The offensive line has improved under Tim Davis, and I think we're just fine with our WR coaches as well. I don't know if the running backs lack talent or coaching, but not many teams have backs that hit the hole more slowly and are less elusive than ours.
 

This is a beautiful explanation of all Minnesota sports (both professional and at the U) over the last 40 years:

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Always makes me laugh when bad programs fire one of their best head coaches ever to "get to the next level" only to spiral down to a complete embarrassment.
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It hurts. But that's the modern Minnesota sports fan, led by our passive-agressive media. Spot-on. Twins fans have always been the only reasonable fans in this state. But I suppose its just a matter of time before the media gets them to turn on Gardenhire and run him out-of-town.
 

As a recruiting coach and/or tight ends coach, it would be a nice landing for Brew.
 



I'd trade Brew for Muschamp, straight up
 

Was Mason one of our "best head coaches ever"? You would have to define "one of" very, very broadly. He's not in the same category as Williams, Bierman and Warmath. Mason's teams played cupcake schedules to pad the record. In Big Ten games, he didn't do as well as Cal Stoll did.

Was Mason better than Brewster? Sure. Was he one of our best ever? No.
 

Texas can have him. If he actually had as much recruiting prowess as they think or he thinks himself we wouldn't be nearly as bad as we are now. Many reasons to can him (recruiting ability, coaching ability, etc.), few (or possibly none) to keep him.
 

Goldmember said:
This is a beautiful explanation of all Minnesota sports (both professional and at the U) over the last 40 years:



It hurts. But that's the modern Minnesota sports fan, led by our passive-agressive media. Spot-on. Twins fans have always been the only reasonable fans in this state. But I suppose its just a matter of time before the media gets them to turn on Gardenhire and run him out-of-town.
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When your best is mediocre and you don't care about getting better then you get fired. You get into trouble when you replace that guy with someone with no experience. The problem is not that Mason was fired. The problem is that the wrong guy was hired to replace him. This is what is always overlooked. To me, the folks outside see bowl games, an identity on offense, and better success then the coaches who came before. MN fans see those things, but also see a guy who is grinning his way to a good paycheck while failing to care about recruiting, defense, or getting over the hump of mediocrity. Outsiders either don't see the last part or think MN should be happy being mediocre.

Gardy isn't even on the same level. If Mason was consistently getting us to NYD/higher level bowls while winning them about 1/2 the time then that'd be comparable to consistently winning the division but then getting bounced in the ALDS.

And there is plenty of anti-Gardy sentiment out there. The media doesn't need to do anything b/c its already there.
 




GoAUpher said:
When your best is mediocre and you don't care about getting better then you get fired. You get into trouble when you replace that guy with someone with no experience. The problem is not that Mason was fired. The problem is that the wrong guy was hired to replace him. This is what is always overlooked. To me, the folks outside see bowl games, an identity on offense, and better success then the coaches who came before. MN fans see those things, but also see a guy who is grinning his way to a good paycheck while failing to care about recruiting, defense, or getting over the hump of mediocrity. Outsiders* either don't see the last part or think MN should be happy being mediocre.
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I do not think this is overlooked at all. What is overlooked is that the two events (firing and making the new hire) are related. The decision to fire a head coach is never going to be independent of the process of hiring a replacement. Firing or not firing obviously just begs the question: who are you going to hire? This is important because we find ourselves, predictably, in the same situation four years later. Firing has to put you in a position to improve.

And the fact remains that 2006 was Minnesota's worst year over the last 5. And the teams still made a bowl game and beat three FCS opponents by a combined score of 169-26. Having the bar set so high limits the portential pool of candidates significantly. For instance, it's not like Minnesota could go and hire Doug Martin after his team just lost to Mason's by 44 points and he was held scoreless. This time around the bar will probably be set much, much lower.

Also- you can say Mason's teams were mediocre if you want. Plenty of people on here do and have for years. Considering the circumstances, I think Glen was able to accomplish a lot here. He was never quite able to get his teams to contend for a Big Ten Championship (they came very close in 2003). I would say going to the Rose Bowl is = to going to the Super Bowl or World Series. I know this much for sure: he took the program to a level that was unthinkable when he was hired. I think he would have been able to do even better with TCF Bank stadium. But I guess we'll just never know.

*Outsiders are all that matters. The opinions of a fanbase are ultimately driven by emotion and hokey provincialism. This is the persepctive that all or your coaching candidates have, so even if you think I'm being harsh on local fanbases, it doesn't matter.
 

GoAUpher said:
When your best is mediocre and you don't care about getting better then you get fired. You get into trouble when you replace that guy with someone with no experience. The problem is not that Mason was fired. The problem is that the wrong guy was hired to replace him. This is what is always overlooked. To me, the folks outside see bowl games, an identity on offense, and better success then the coaches who came before. MN fans see those things, but also see a guy who is grinning his way to a good paycheck while failing to care about recruiting, defense, or getting over the hump of mediocrity. Outsiders either don't see the last part or think MN should be happy being mediocre.

Gardy isn't even on the same level. If Mason was consistently getting us to NYD/higher level bowls while winning them about 1/2 the time then that'd be comparable to consistently winning the division but then getting bounced in the ALDS.

And there is plenty of anti-Gardy sentiment out there. The media doesn't need to do anything b/c its already there.
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One of my beefs with Maturi is that he didn't fire Mason a year (I think it was a year) earlier when Mason was negotiating in public right up to the bowl game and then signed on the dotted line. At that point, I figured Maturi had caved and would regret it.

I never particularly cared for Mason. If there would have been a gazillion bowl games during the Stoll years, the Gophers would have been bowl-eligible 4 of the 7 years. But I'm not going to dump on Mason. He did alright, but is alright enough? Sure alright looks mondo groovy when the bottom has fallen out, but we have to look back on those years realistically. Michigan State is moving into the upper tier of the conference. There's no reason that can't happen in Minnesota. It isn't going to happen under Brewster, but it wasn't going to happen under Mason.

Maturi didn't make a good choice with Brewster, but that's not to say he didn't make the right choice regarding Mason. I'd argue that Maturi's dawdling cost the U big-time in the wallet.

EDIT: As for Gardy, he appears to be dumber than a chicken, but he knows how to manage a baseball team. I've come to the conclusion that he may be a robot, because his post-game comments sound as though they have been programmed into his head and . . . cannot . . . be . . . changed.
 

50PoundHead said:
One of my beefs with Maturi is that he didn't fire Mason a year (I think it was a year) earlier when Mason was negotiating in public right up to the bowl game and then signed on the dotted line. At that point, I figured Maturi had caved and would regret it.

I never particularly cared for Mason. If there would have been a gazillion bowl games during the Stoll years, the Gophers would have been bowl-eligible 4 of the 7 years. But I'm not going to dump on Mason. He did alright, but is alright enough? Sure alright looks mondo groovy when the bottom has fallen out, but we have to look back on those years realistically. Michigan State is moving into the upper tier of the conference. There's no reason that can't happen in Minnesota. It isn't going to happen under Brewster, but it wasn't going to happen under Mason.

Maturi didn't make a good choice with Brewster, but that's not to say he didn't make the right choice regarding Mason. I'd argue that Maturi's dawdling cost the U big-time in the wallet.
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+1 Maturi's decision to extend then fire Mason put him in a position to have a hire a coach in Brewster's pay range. If forced him to take a long-shot candidate for a less than appealing job.
 

This Post is 100% Right On!!

tjgesquire said:
I think a program could easily succeed under Brewster if he is given the financial abilities to hire a competent staff. He made the hiring decisions, so its still on him.
I think he made the mistake of hiring recruiters instead of position coaches when he started. He was going to rely on smart X's and O's guys to be coordinators and thought that would be enough. But its awfully hard to coordinate a defense or offense when your players don't know how to play their positions correctly.
Cosgrove is a mistake of all mistakes, I think Ronnie Lee is in that same boat. That secondary has never looked anything but lost in the past 4 years. Tim Cross' defensive line plays on ability only, not much technique.
The offensive line has improved under Tim Davis, and I think we're just fine with our WR coaches as well. I don't know if the running backs lack talent or coaching, but not many teams have backs that hit the hole more slowly and are less elusive than ours.
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Best executive summary of Brew's tenure as head coach!
 

Goldmember said:
I do not think this is overlooked at all. What is overlooked is that the two events (firing and making the new hire) are related. The decision to fire a head coach is never going to be independent of the process of hiring a replacement. Firing or not firing obviously just begs the question: who are you going to hire? This is important because we find ourselves, predictably, in the same situation four years later. Firing has to put you in a position to improve.

And the fact remains that 2006 was Minnesota's worst year over the last 5. And the teams still made a bowl game and beat three FCS opponents by a combined score of 169-26. Having the bar set so high limits the portential pool of candidates significantly. For instance, it's not like Minnesota could go and hire Doug Martin after his team just lost to Mason's by 44 points and he was held scoreless. This time around the bar will probably be set much, much lower.

Also- you can say Mason's teams were mediocre if you want. Plenty of people on here do and have for years. Considering the circumstances, I think Glen was able to accomplish a lot here. He was never quite able to get his teams to contend for a Big Ten Championship (they came very close in 2003). I would say going to the Rose Bowl is = to going to the Super Bowl or World Series. I know this much for sure: he took the program to a level that was unthinkable when he was hired. I think he would have been able to do even better with TCF Bank stadium. But I guess we'll just never know.

*Outsiders are all that matters. The opinions of a fanbase are ultimately driven by emotion and hokey provincialism. This is the persepctive that all or your coaching candidates have, so even if you think I'm being harsh on local fanbases, it doesn't matter.
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They are related. IMO saying "Maturi made a bad hire" could be expanded to be "he didn't handle the firing or hiring well". I'd agree with that. I don't think the firing was handled right. If you're going to fire a guy, you do it at the end of the season. After a bowl loss smacks of emotional decision making AND it leaves you in a hole trying to find a new coach in time for signing day (plus good candidates are already off the market). But you can judge the reasoning to fire Mason independently from a review of the timing/hiring that followed. IMO Mason deserved to be fired.

This is a guy who in his 10th year was talking about "rebuilding." Who had no relationship with the fans or with the MN HS coaches. Who didn't care about selling the program. Who had given up on recruiting. Who never cared enough about defense to succeed.

Glen did a LOT to bring the program up from the ashes. But accomplishing a lot doesn't mean his teams weren't mediocre. Because they were. Sticking with him meant being cool with 3-5 BT records and a meaningless bowl game. How he'd have done in TCF is a fun what-if, but in the real world I don't see how he was supposed to make it 2 more years at MN with his attitude towards recruiting.

If you're cool with the standard level of play being 3-5 BT records and a meaningless bowl game then we agree to disagree. But if you think that this program has a ceiling similar to IA or WI, then Glen had to go. I just wish we had a different AD at that time.
 

Other things Texas fans want: lower ages of consent, slower moving relatives.
 

I don't know about Mason being one of our best coaches ever, but i feel he did a pretty good job with what he had to work with. He made us into a consistently entertaining team, very high scoring and with an offense that was almost machine-like in its ability to roll up the yards against anyone and everyone- we didn't just do that against the Little Sisters of the Poor. His downfall was obviously on the defensive side of the ball, primarily in my opinion because he was totally an offensive minded coach who gave little or no attention (recruiting or otherwise) to his defense. And then he just got lazy and smug, and he is the classic example of a guy who just felt FAR too comfortable and secure with their job status. He felt like he was teflon-coated and his job-security was iron-clad here, which fed into his arrogance and made him even lazier, and we all know how that worked out for him.

He was certainly one of our highest profile hires, right up there with Sweet Lou Holtz, and he was in demand. Back in 1995 he signed on to become the head coach at Georgia (and you don't get hired to coach football at UGA unless you are extremely well-regarded as a coach), held the job for a week, then had a change of heart, resigned the position, returned to coach KU the next season, and then the next year he came here. I often wonder how Gophers history would have changed had Mason kept the job at Georgia, and who we would have ultimately hired as a result of that. It's an interesting thought exercise, but of course it's impossible to know how any of that would have played out.
 


Seany said:
I don't know about Mason being one of our best coaches ever, but i feel he did a pretty good job with what he had to work with. He made us into a consistently entertaining team, very high scoring and with an offense that was almost machine-like in its ability to roll up the yards against anyone and everyone- we didn't just do that against the Little Sisters of the Poor. His downfall was obviously on the defensive side of the ball, primarily in my opinion because he was totally an offensive minded coach who gave little or no attention (recruiting or otherwise) to his defense. And then he just got lazy and smug, and he is the classic example of a guy who just felt FAR too comfortable and secure with their job status. He felt like he was teflon-coated and his job-security was iron-clad here, which fed into his arrogance and made him even lazier, and we all know how that worked out for him.
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Yea, this is what I'm getting at. Mason basically said "I can't do any better here, neither can anyone else, so you should all love me and accept it."
 

Brewster probably won't have too much trouble finding work again. I think a lot of good programs would want him in either a position coach or recruiting coordinator job.
 

GoAUpher said:
Yea, this is what I'm getting at. Mason basically said "I can't do any better here, neither can anyone else, so you should all love me and accept it."
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Yep. I got the impression he felt we would all be so eternally grateful to him for lifting us out of the gutter, that he could remain as coach here for as long as he desired to do so, and that coming from the depths of the college football world as we did, we would be forever satisfied with going 7-5, with a few 8 or 9 win seasons sprinkled in. Clearly, he was wrong in that assessment.

I have such mixed feelings about the guy. I mean his offenses were so incredibly awesome, just an utter joy to watch as a fan, and I felt so proud of them. But then there's that downside and always that question of 'why', ya know? Why give such short shrift to the defense, to the point where it seemed like he pretty much ignored it altogether? I'll tell ya, if he'd put even HALF as much effort into the defensive side of the ball as he did the offense, then we would have made Rose Bowls, and he would have been exalted here. But it was like he just didn't care. He could coach a team to 7 wins in his sleep, and that's pretty much what he did and felt that we'd all be contented with that. Wrong, wrong, wrong...
 

50PoundHead said:
Brewster probably won't have too much trouble finding work again. I think a lot of good programs would want him in either a position coach or recruiting coordinator job.
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Brewster = Les Steckel. Well-regarded position coach who will never be a head coach again at any level.
 

And it's the waste of it all that really gets to me. To waste such opportunity, when opportunities like that come by so rarely. To throw away the performance of an historical offense the likes of which some of us may never see again in Minnesota, and all because we couldn't field a defense that could ever make a stop.

Thinking about that just drives me crazy, even after all this time. It's such a shame, because those teams should have gone places much better than we ever did. I just can't help but think about what could have been and should have been.
 


If you guys don't think Brewster will land a job when he is done at MN you are dead wrong. He knows people who respect him in the NFL, he knows people who respect him at the college level. Just look at the embrace Pat Fitzgerald gave him at the end of that Northwestern game.

He could be a position coach in the NFL when he is gone, but I personally think he likes the college game better. He will probably end up being a position coach/recruiting coordinator for a BCS school in 2011.

If I am a Texas fan I want Brewster back. They haven't won a National Title since he stopped being their recruiting coordinator (I am NOT giving him credit for the national title, just noting the fact). Their teams do seem to lack a fire. If Brewster is good at anything, it is bringing intensity.
 

i kinda hope he gets a BCS position coach gig and then has the opportunity to shake Bret B. hand after a WI loss!
 

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