Teague on Us fundraising: Things have been very good. I’m excited about the prospects

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Whichever team(s) fly or row all the way to Rutgers, Maryland and Psu the most often.:rolleyes:
 

Swede said:
I frankly don't care which sports. I only specifically mentioned baseball because it is probably the most prominent non-revenue sport, it spends most of its season indoors or down south, yet there is an ongoing drive to improve the baseball field on campus. What I find most remarkable is that the University has a wonderful revenue stream coming from the BIG 10 network, yet it can't tap that revenue stream to support the programs generate this windfall? Why can't the U bond for basketball and football facilities using network revenue to pay back the bonds?
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IMO it is largely PR. I would guess the U has the cash to build a practice facility yesterday. However, it looks a heck of a lot better to the world of academia if it is all from private donations. Not a lot of happy parents out there who would say, sure, keep raising my kids' tuition so you can build a $20m practice facility. Fine by me.
 

matt said:
You think they threw out that $190 million figure several months ago and have just been playing with their dicks since then? Do you honestly think they don't have "priorities and thoughts, and true vision and plans" for the project? Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's not their job to keep you informed every step of the way; it's their job to make sure it gets done in the end.
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I am certain that Teague can multi task. He is going to raise that money and still have plenty of time for dick play!
 

station19 said:
People need to keep in mind that buy-outs of coaches are part of the game. We are by no means unique to that situation.
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That's true. But we had to buy out 4 large contracts FB and BB in a span of 7 years. Iowa's had to do it once in this century. Wisconsin? Not since the early 90's. It's not the cause of our issue, but it doesn't help. It also gives people an excuse not to donate. Why do they need my money? They have $X million to buy out Tubby and $800K to not play NC!
 

I would love to see a cost/revenue breakdown for each sport.

Because it is my suspicion that the money that the U would save by dropping some sports would not end up putting us ahead in the long run as the PR and overall general image issues and damage that would occur would not make it worth it.

All those who hate football or all big money sports would point to the U's dropping non-revenue sports as a sign that UMn was turning into a football factory that doesn't care about academics anymore, or serving the general Mn public, etc., etc., etc.. We here all know that would all be a bunch of bs, but that doesn't matter, the negative press here in Mn would have a field day with it, Fat Pat and all the others who seem to love to write negative things about the U would drag the issue out as long as they could and get as much negative vibes going as they could.

And just because it wouldn't sway the opinions of any diehards out there doesn't change the fact that its probably not the diehards that Teague and Lou are targeting. Anyone on the fence probably won't like the move. Corporations desire POSITIVE vibes and press and won't support the move. So the amount of savings from dropping any programs better be very significant.



Simple fact of the matter is that the University of Minnesota is one of the largest universities IN THE WORLD. And Minnesotans have always prided themselves for being independent and different and in some sense, SUPERIOR in comparison to other states or regions or universities in how we go about our business and our lives, how we conduct our business and our lives, etc.. In so many ways we were a leader in the civil rights movement, and that includes the civil rights of women, blacks, jews, muslims, gays, lesbians and transsexuals, you name it. All while the south, in general, lagged in these regards. The Big Ten conf is similar in many ways as well. Academically the Big Ten is superior to the SEC as a whole and its not even really that close.

So now we see the SEC putting more and more money into football and showing more and more that it doesn't really even care all that much about other sports, not even basketball, to a point. So is the Big Ten, or more specifically, are Minnesotans all of a sudden going to follow the lead of southerners, or the SEC, and focus all of its attention on a big time revenue sport at the exclusion of other sports?!

No.


Think about it. It's not going to happen. If the U somehow decides to go that route it will be lucky if it comes out even on the deal, with the positive monetary aspects equaling the value of the negative vibes that go along with making such a move. IF there is a positive result, a "barn building a house" effect of sorts, we won't see or recognize this and especially won't be able to point this out to the public as being so obvious that they can't deny it, for a very long time. And so maybe we'd be able to bring back all the sports we dropped in 10 or 20 years, starting each one over, from scratch. All of the local athletes getting ready to graduate will have grown up knowing that they had to go out of state to find a decent Div 1 program to take them in and foster their skills. It's even possible local youth participation in those sports may have suffered from the lack of a local Div 1 school's support. So we'd be adding on sports that we'd likely suck in for quite awhile. We even bother at that point?!




OR, we could push to find support for this 190 mil project, get fb and bb supporters to chip in to help all of the non-revenue sports a little, so that they can help the fb and bb programs at the same time. Doing it this way will only generate mostly positive vibes from the press and the residents of the state who care about such things, in general. Some on the fence folk might jump onboard, and local corporations will like the broad based aspect of the project and how they can use their supporting such a broad based project as PR.



Minnesota is trying to get a future Olympics, 2026 I believe? And its flagship University cutting several non-revenue sports so that it can concentrate on building a bb practice facility is NOT the way to get one of the rarest of opportunities to be given to you.


Other factors, Baseball will never be dropped, and to even mention it is a complete waste of time and puts yourself at risk of being seen as a fool. We just built a new stadium for heaven sakes, it would make us a laughingstock. Baseball gets enough private support from alums and the Twins and its still a Major League sport, so its going to be an untouchable sport for at least 10 to 20 years. We recently built a new facility for the Rowing team, and we probably need the Rowing program for Title IX issues as much as anything else.


The only programs I could see the U possibly being able to drop without too much of a negative result would be both Men's and Women's Tennis and maybe Men's Gymnastics, a team that is currently ranked #5 in the nation. But if those are the only 3, why even bother?! And the U is actually looking at ADDING sports, so that makes dropping other sports even that much more difficult, I would think.


I think the pie in the sky, shoot for the moon approach is the best approach and that it WILL work. Minnesotans like a challenge and often rise up to meet such challenges. Yudof's regime set a big fundraising goal and succeeded in reaching it. We got the new Football Stadium built and the new Baseball Stadium built as well and there were people out there that thought neither would ever transpire. We almost lost our Golf and Gymnastics programs yet people came through and saved those. The money is out there, and a broad based attack trying to get the widest spread of general interest in the project is the best way to make it happen.
 


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Great to have <a href="https://twitter.com/GoldenGopherAD">@GoldenGopherAD</a> come speak to our class this morning. New basketball AND football practice facilities are coming people.</p>— Ryan Burns (@RyanBurnsGI) <a href="https://twitter.com/RyanBurnsGI/statuses/436158942620569600">February 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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PPP is right. It would be asinine to become cannibals. I wouldn't give a dollar to the U ever again if they got rid of sports in order to make marginally more money for football.
 

Until GW says it is possible I just can't believe it!
 

Gopherguy0723 said:
PPP is right. It would be asinine to become cannibals. I wouldn't give a dollar to the U ever again if they got rid of sports in order to make marginally more money for football.
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What about Gopherhole? Would that cause you to leave Gopherhole?
 



MadtownGopher said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Great to have <a href="https://twitter.com/GoldenGopherAD">@GoldenGopherAD</a> come speak to our class this morning. New basketball AND football practice facilities are coming people.</p>— Ryan Burns (@RyanBurnsGI) <a href="https://twitter.com/RyanBurnsGI/statuses/436158942620569600">February 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Anything more on this ominous post?
 



station19 said:
People need to keep in mind that buy-outs of coaches are part of the game. We are by no means unique to that situation.
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By people do you mean me? Obviously I remembered the buyouts since I brought them up. Also, part of the game is one thing, having three coaches get extended and then fired less than 12 months later isn't part of any game. It is part of the Maturi idiocy that we are finally recovering from tho.
 



GopherinPhilly said:
By people do you mean me? Obviously I remembered the buyouts since I brought them up. Also, part of the game is one thing, having three coaches get extended and then fired less than 12 months later isn't part of any game. It is part of the Maturi idiocy that we are finally recovering from tho.
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Did any of the three extensions lessen the buyout? I can't remember/blocked it out...
 


Gopher Warrior said:
Tubby and Borton ate Teague's lunch. He was put in a tough position though.
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How did Borton get one over on Teague? Her extension was signed before he took over as AD. Unless you have something that says otherwise, you're completely off base.
 

Gopherguy0723 said:
How did Borton get one over on Teague? Her extension was signed before he took over as AD. Unless you have something that says otherwise, you're completely off base.
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Yeah she had that secret deal hammered out right before Matuir bowed out. Maturi was the worst. Like literally the worst AD we could have ever hired.
 

Gopherguy0723 said:
How did Borton get one over on Teague? Her extension was signed before he took over as AD. Unless you have something that says otherwise, you're completely off base.
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I'm not at all off base.

Don't believe everything you hear, my friend.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
I'm not at all off base.

Don't believe everything you hear, my friend.
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I don't. That's why I don't believe you, especially because you have some kind of negative agenda with Teague. I choose to believe what was reported in a big city newspaper that was approved by an editor.

Why should I believe anything you say when you have no proof and a bias against Teague?
 


Gopher Warrior said:
Quote of the year? Funny stuff, my man.
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Don't believe all that you hear, but believe my completely unfounded statement that is void of any form of proof to support it's validity.

That, might actually be the quote of the year, chief....

UNLESS of course, you have some sort of proof you wish to add.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
Quote of the year? Funny stuff, my man.
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You're insufferable. You conveniently ignored everything else I said, and you have zero proof, or no proof that you're willing to share, to contradict what is known to be true.

You would have me take your word with zero proof over the word of paid professionals and editors employed by the paper of record in Minnesota. Why in the world would I do that? Even more, you try to turn it into a mockery.

No wonder why you haven't caught on with your blog, unlike reputable and respectable people like Aaron Gleeman. You have zero standards or credibility. You honestly believe people should believe in conspiracies! Any journalist or critical reader with half a brain wouldn't take your word over the Star Tribune's without proof.

You're a fraud.
 

Is GW still on the GH staff? If so, the recent spike in heavy duty trolling is completely over the top. If on the GH staff, can he ban himself?
 

PartoPitinosPosse said:
I would love to see a cost/revenue breakdown for each sport.

Because it is my suspicion that the money that the U would save by dropping some sports would not end up putting us ahead in the long run as the PR and overall general image issues and damage that would occur would not make it worth it.

All those who hate football or all big money sports would point to the U's dropping non-revenue sports as a sign that UMn was turning into a football factory that doesn't care about academics anymore, or serving the general Mn public, etc., etc., etc.. We here all know that would all be a bunch of bs, but that doesn't matter, the negative press here in Mn would have a field day with it, Fat Pat and all the others who seem to love to write negative things about the U would drag the issue out as long as they could and get as much negative vibes going as they could.

And just because it wouldn't sway the opinions of any diehards out there doesn't change the fact that its probably not the diehards that Teague and Lou are targeting. Anyone on the fence probably won't like the move. Corporations desire POSITIVE vibes and press and won't support the move. So the amount of savings from dropping any programs better be very significant.



Simple fact of the matter is that the University of Minnesota is one of the largest universities IN THE WORLD. And Minnesotans have always prided themselves for being independent and different and in some sense, SUPERIOR in comparison to other states or regions or universities in how we go about our business and our lives, how we conduct our business and our lives, etc.. In so many ways we were a leader in the civil rights movement, and that includes the civil rights of women, blacks, jews, muslims, gays, lesbians and transsexuals, you name it. All while the south, in general, lagged in these regards. The Big Ten conf is similar in many ways as well. Academically the Big Ten is superior to the SEC as a whole and its not even really that close.

So now we see the SEC putting more and more money into football and showing more and more that it doesn't really even care all that much about other sports, not even basketball, to a point. So is the Big Ten, or more specifically, are Minnesotans all of a sudden going to follow the lead of southerners, or the SEC, and focus all of its attention on a big time revenue sport at the exclusion of other sports?!

No.


Think about it. It's not going to happen. If the U somehow decides to go that route it will be lucky if it comes out even on the deal, with the positive monetary aspects equaling the value of the negative vibes that go along with making such a move. IF there is a positive result, a "barn building a house" effect of sorts, we won't see or recognize this and especially won't be able to point this out to the public as being so obvious that they can't deny it, for a very long time. And so maybe we'd be able to bring back all the sports we dropped in 10 or 20 years, starting each one over, from scratch. All of the local athletes getting ready to graduate will have grown up knowing that they had to go out of state to find a decent Div 1 program to take them in and foster their skills. It's even possible local youth participation in those sports may have suffered from the lack of a local Div 1 school's support. So we'd be adding on sports that we'd likely suck in for quite awhile. We even bother at that point?!




OR, we could push to find support for this 190 mil project, get fb and bb supporters to chip in to help all of the non-revenue sports a little, so that they can help the fb and bb programs at the same time. Doing it this way will only generate mostly positive vibes from the press and the residents of the state who care about such things, in general. Some on the fence folk might jump onboard, and local corporations will like the broad based aspect of the project and how they can use their supporting such a broad based project as PR.



Minnesota is trying to get a future Olympics, 2026 I believe? And its flagship University cutting several non-revenue sports so that it can concentrate on building a bb practice facility is NOT the way to get one of the rarest of opportunities to be given to you.


Other factors, Baseball will never be dropped, and to even mention it is a complete waste of time and puts yourself at risk of being seen as a fool. We just built a new stadium for heaven sakes, it would make us a laughingstock. Baseball gets enough private support from alums and the Twins and its still a Major League sport, so its going to be an untouchable sport for at least 10 to 20 years. We recently built a new facility for the Rowing team, and we probably need the Rowing program for Title IX issues as much as anything else.


The only programs I could see the U possibly being able to drop without too much of a negative result would be both Men's and Women's Tennis and maybe Men's Gymnastics, a team that is currently ranked #5 in the nation. But if those are the only 3, why even bother?! And the U is actually looking at ADDING sports, so that makes dropping other sports even that much more difficult, I would think.


I think the pie in the sky, shoot for the moon approach is the best approach and that it WILL work. Minnesotans like a challenge and often rise up to meet such challenges. Yudof's regime set a big fundraising goal and succeeded in reaching it. We got the new Football Stadium built and the new Baseball Stadium built as well and there were people out there that thought neither would ever transpire. We almost lost our Golf and Gymnastics programs yet people came through and saved those. The money is out there, and a broad based attack trying to get the widest spread of general interest in the project is the best way to make it happen.
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I think you are wrong on this count. Florida has one of the best Athletic Departments in the country, their non-revenue sports do very well. Golf, Tennis, Soccer, Swimming are all great at Florida. Alabama's golf teams are both in the top 5 in the country right now and they draw thousands to their women's Gymnastics. Georgia has great programs. The SEC for some reason doesn't give a rip about basketball (except Florida & Kentucky & the occasional surprise team) and it gives the appearance of only caring about football. There is no reason whatsoever to drop any non-revenue sport except for maybe a lack of schools fielding teams (i.e. men's or women's gymnastics), the savings is so minimal compared to the overall budget of the department. A program like gymnastics probably costs maybe a 1/2 million and the department's budget is like 75 million? Nonsense. Baseball, for example, only has 10 scholarships (not 20 that was posted here by someone).

It's about time someone with some vision has laid out a plan and they will probably do it in stages and not wait until all or close to all $190 million is collected. I'm hoping that it happens sooner rather than later!
 




jamalo said:
Is GW still on the GH staff? If so, the recent spike in heavy duty trolling is completely over the top. If on the GH staff, can he ban himself?
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he hasn't written for gh in a long time, he now has his own blog that he writes for and touts it as "we" when ever he refers to the site. he may have a staff writing for him there, otherwise why would he refer to himself as we?
 

Winasota Gopher said:
I apologize, ominous was definitely the wrong word.

Vague.
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On the GH football message board DL65 does a weekly write-up of coach Kill's segment on the WCCO Sports Huddle. Sunday, he posted the following point,
7) Sid wanted to know how the fund raising was going for the 190 million dollar sports facilities project: (Chuckling) Kill said, “My job is recruiting . . . I can’t tell you.” However, he’s looking for the project to be completed in 1 ½ years. Not exactly sure if he was speaking about the football facilities being completed, fund raising, or all of the planned sports facilities constructed. I assume he was referring to the fund raising aspect; but that’s only an assumption. (1 ½ years is a short time for fund raising, bid letting and construction, IMO.)
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What if DL's assumption is incorrect and Kill meant he expects some level of completed construction in a year and a half?
 

Go4 said:
he hasn't written for gh in a long time, he now has his own blog that he writes for and touts it as "we" when ever he refers to the site. he may have a staff writing for him there, otherwise why would he refer to himself as we?
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From week one, it was 'We at LateNightHoops'... I'm bet money it was just his sorry ass.
 

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