STrib: Contrary to rumor, Gophers WR Rashad Still can still return

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olddoc said:
Never, ever do anything that brings a shred of reality to the wishful thinkers on this site.
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I am sorry nobody likes you but did it ever occur to you that the docs are giving claeys more info? Its never an exact the science but im going to,trust the guy with the most intel but knowing your anti gopher tendencies i think its didpicable that you want Still to be out for the year.
 

Both Trauma surgeons and ER doctors treat acute medical conditions. Look it up. Do you really think in a emergency situation the ER staffs sits around and waits for Trauma surgeon?
 




But if you go in with a broken foot, an ER doc is going to wrap it, possibly give you pain killers, do an X-ray and then recommend you to a specialist. They aren't going to say, "one of the 26 bones in your foot are broken, since they are all the same, and all breaks are the same, it will take 2-3 months to heal. And you will redshirt"
 

ruppertflywheel said:
Both Trauma surgeons and ER doctors treat acute medical conditions. Look it up. Do you really think in a emergency situation the ER staffs sits around and waits for Trauma surgeon?
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Sorry Rupert, but as an ER doctor your friend is simply a glorified paper pusher.


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Spoofin said:
Sorry Rupert, but as an ER doctor your friend is simply a glorified paper pusher.
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Except no. A board certified ER doc is probably the closest thing to a "real doc" that most lay people talk about or think about when someone says "so and so is a doctor." They do basic pediatrics, OB/GYN, ortho, trauma, eye/ear/nose/throat, derm, minor surgical repairs, etc. They do have to consult subspecialists but they are able to do at least basic assessment and stabilization/treatment of everything.

As a cardiologist I am not so useful for family and friends' questions about their rash or their kids' problems. I also get a lot of "oh, so you do open heart surgery?....No? Then what do you do?"
 

Catechol said:
Except no. A board certified ER doc is probably the closest thing to a "real doc" that most lay people talk about or think about when someone says "so and so is a doctor." They do basic pediatrics, OB/GYN, ortho, trauma, eye/ear/nose/throat, derm, minor surgical repairs, etc. They do have to consult subspecialists but they are able to do at least basic assessment and stabilization/treatment of everything.

As a cardiologist I am not so useful for family and friends' questions about their rash or their kids' problems. I also get a lot of "oh, so you do open heart surgery?....No? Then what do you do?"
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So, as a cardiologist, what is your expected time table for Brooks and Still to return?
 



ruppertflywheel said:
Both Trauma surgeons and ER doctors treat acute medical conditions. Look it up. Do you really think in a emergency situation the ER staffs sits around and waits for Trauma surgeon?
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Not that it matters, but it seems extremely unlikely that an injury like Still's would be an emergency. For a shoulder injury, the ER doctor would make sure that they helped schedule an appointment with a surgeon, help him with the pain and make sure the injury isn't life threatening.

Then a surgeon would perform the surgery.


Good or bad news, Doogie has absolutely NO idea what he is talking about. For me, I want whatever is best for Still, so I'm not even pushing his return. I'd rather he RS than barely come back, so this isn't about me attacking the credibility of anyone with bad news. Doogie has ZERO connections.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I'd rather he RS than barely come back.
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Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but now that he has played I no longer believe this to be a coaches decision. They can't just choose to not play him and automatically get a medical RS. In order for a player to get a medical RS a doctor needs to verify the player indeed couldn't have come back to play. Presumably, that Dr would have to be honest.


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Spoofin said:
Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but now that he has played I no longer believe this to be a coaches decision. They can't just choose to not play him and automatically get a medical RS. In order for a player to get a medical RS a doctor needs to verify the player indeed couldn't have come back to play. Presumably, that Dr would have to be honest.


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The NCAA has a process for giving athletes back seasons they lose to injury. It is commonly called a medical red-shirt, but the technical term is a medical hardship waiver. A student-athlete’s school must apply for the waiver, and it can be granted or denied. Every waiver that meets the published criteria is granted, with rare exceptions.

Medical Hardship Requirements

To be eligible for a medical hardship waiver, a student-athlete has to meet the following criteria:

- The student-athlete must suffer the injury during one of their four seasons of college competition or during the senior year of high school.
- The injury must be incapacitating. That means it must be a season-ending injury.
- The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season.
- The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater.

All of these must be proven with documentation. That means medical documentation to prove the injury and that it was season-ending and participation information to show that the student-athlete did not play in too many contests.
 




PMWinSTP said:
The NCAA has a process for giving athletes back seasons they lose to injury. It is commonly called a medical red-shirt, but the technical term is a medical hardship waiver. A student-athlete’s school must apply for the waiver, and it can be granted or denied. Every waiver that meets the published criteria is granted, with rare exceptions.

Medical Hardship Requirements

To be eligible for a medical hardship waiver, a student-athlete has to meet the following criteria:

- The student-athlete must suffer the injury during one of their four seasons of college competition or during the senior year of high school.
- The injury must be incapacitating. That means it must be a season-ending injury.
- The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season.
- The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater.

All of these must be proven with documentation. That means medical documentation to prove the injury and that it was season-ending and participation information to show that the student-athlete did not play in too many contests.
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Thanks for providing detail. It is that "must be season ending" part I was referring to. For example, if the Dr.s (real Dr.s, not ER Dr.s) clear him to play week 9, the coaches can't just decide they would rather get him a medical hardship year then play him in just 4 games.


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Spoofin said:
Thanks for providing detail. It is that "must be season ending" part I was referring to. For example, if the Dr.s (real Dr.s, not ER Dr.s) clear him to play week 9, the coaches can't just decide they would rather get him a medical hardship year then play him in just 4 games.


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You're right, this is part of the criteria.

In practice, I've never seen this being the hang up. The hangup is almost always the 30%. I don't think I've ever seen a situation where the NCAA didn't grant it to a player, especially one who had surgery that season, because they thought that he technically could have come back. I'm not saying that it's never happened, I've just never heard of it. I think it's a wink and a nod thing sometimes with the team physician.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
You're right, this is part of the criteria.

In practice, I've never seen this being the hang up. The hangup is almost always the 30%. I don't think I've ever seen a situation where the NCAA didn't grant it to a player, especially one who had surgery that season, because they thought that he technically could have come back. I'm not saying that it's never happened, I've just never heard of it. I think it's a wink and a nod thing sometimes with the team physician.
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Yeah, you're probably right.


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Spoofin said:
Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but now that he has played I no longer believe this to be a coaches decision. They can't just choose to not play him and automatically get a medical RS. In order for a player to get a medical RS a doctor needs to verify the player indeed couldn't have come back to play. Presumably, that Dr would have to be honest.
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I'm just hoping that your use of "medical RS" doesn't entice GopherWarrior out whatever hole he's currently snuggled up in.
 

He could still use up his normal redshirt year, but would be smart to apply for the medical hardship waiver instead. Hopefully he is back long before the end of the season
 

DLguy said:
He could still use up his normal redshirt year, but would be smart to apply for the medical hardship waiver instead. Hopefully he is back long before the end of the season
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He can't use a regular redshirt this year because he played.
 

DLguy said:
He could still use up his normal redshirt year, but would be smart to apply for the medical hardship waiver instead. Hopefully he is back long before the end of the season
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He played week 1. Can't use his normal RS.


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ruppertflywheel said:
Both Trauma surgeons and ER doctors treat acute medical conditions. Look it up. Do you really think in a emergency situation the ER staffs sits around and waits for Trauma surgeon?
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Probably not but not every surgery like a broken clavicle for instance requires immediate surgery in an er so they likely don't see all the same things.
 

ruppertflywheel said:
Both Trauma surgeons and ER doctors treat acute medical conditions. Look it up. Do you really think in a emergency situation the ER staffs sits around and waits for Trauma surgeon?
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Treating an acute medical condition does not constitute surgery though. An ER doctor will not take that patient to the operating room and open them up. They will stabilize the patient in the ER as best they can until the surgeon can take them to surgery. There is also a trauma surgeon at a minimum on call and more than likely already in the hospital in a high level trauma facility. Just trying to get clarification on what you said because a ER doctor is not a surgeon.
 




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