Staples: All Fleck needs to do is win between 7=9 games most years and beat Wisconsin once every 3-4 years and he’s set for life.

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per Andy Staples:

What are the jobs where a coach can be successful and get rich but not get run out of town if he doesn’t win division/conference/national titles?

Here’s a hint. They’re all in the SEC or the Big Ten, because those are the only places the schools that don’t care the most about football make enough to offer competitive salaries. Most of them are in the Big Ten, because most SEC fan bases either do not have reasonable expectations or wildly inflate their previously reasonable expectations after the slightest whiff of success.

Minnesota

P.J. Fleck’s name is going to come up for jobs in the next few years. He doesn’t need to take one unless it’s at a perennial national title contender. Otherwise, he needs to sit tight. Last year was the first time the Golden Gophers cracked double-digit wins since Glen Mason went 10-3 in 2003. The Fleck-led win against Wisconsin in 2018 was Minnesota’s first in that series since 2003. All Fleck needs to do is win between seven and nine games most years and beat Wisconsin once every three or four years and he’s set for life.

theathletic.com

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This week we have a not-so-random ranking of underrated coaching gigs that should not be left unless a national championship is attainable.
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Disagree. His goal should be to beat Wisconsin and Iowa more than they beat us. In most years, beating both will coincide with us winning the West. If WI is beating us 3/4 times and we're winning 7-9 games/year, that seat will get hotter than most realize. An 11-2 season certainly raises the bar.
 




7-9 games most years, with an occasional 10-12 win season is fine. There will also be the occasional 5-7 season. I don't agree with beating WI only every 3-4 years. I realize we've been their b*tch for a while now but there's no inherent reason they should be so much better than us over the long haul.
 

It's not about what he does most years, if he's able to put together spectacular seasons (for example getting to the conf title game or winning the conference) once or twice a decade he will be able to name his exit point.
 

Andy Sdinkples isn't "woke". The entire goal of bringing PJ here was to compete for division/conference/national titles. Losing to the dinks to the east 3 out 4 times is horseshit and needs to be called out for it. Just because the U hasn't accelerated its success like Wisconsin has, doesn't mean they should give up and accept 7 wins a year and 4th or 5th in the West. Times are changing and 9 wins should be the lowest threshold. The Sleeping Giant doesn't need to settle for 7 wins and 1 out of 4 years against the red menace.
 

Sorry, the U didn't invest $500 million in facilities and coaches salaries predominantly for football to have more of the same.
 



My ideal PJ tenure is something like what Ferentz has done, but with higher peaks and more success against Wisconsin.
 

After last years experience, i really hope to be a top 10 team every couple of years. That was way to much fun to be happy with 7 or 8 win seasons. ?
 

I mean I want to be a top 10 team every year, but it's not unrealistic to think there will be some highs and lows if PJ is here for a long period of time.
 





He would definitely not be set for life with those results. The bar has already been set higher.
 

Given the choice, I think fans now would rather have a West title with wins over Iowa and Wisconsin, a competitive showing against Ohio St in Indy, and then a Rose or other high level bowl appearance — say once every five years, with the other years being above average ... than having five well above-average years but that ultimately don’t amount to anything spectacular.

Last year is tough to categorize. Didn’t win the West and lost to both division rivals. But 10 wins, and a damn good win against Auburn in a pretty good bowl game.

In a sense, those are the worst years to have. They raise expectations without having a major accomplishment (if you strictly define as division or conf title and NY6 bowl game or CFP).
 
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This year will be tougher to win 10, but almost seems 9 would be a disappointment.

Is 10 wins minimum, say 3 out of 4 years going forward, just unreasonable for Minnesota??

It can’t happen without displacing Iowa and/or Wisconsin. We can’t have all three programs at 10 wins every year. And they’ll fight hard to maintain what they’ve worked so hard to earn.
 
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Here's the good news.....PJ Fleck's standards are so much higher than anything Staples just presented which is great for the future of Gopher Football. If there is an upcoming season, I expect another 10-11 win season, and so does our coach!
 

HoustonTXGopher said:
Here's the good news.....PJ Fleck's standards are so much higher than anything Staples just presented which is great for the future of Gopher Football. If there is an upcoming season, I expect another 10-11 win season, and so does our coach!
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Agree, why should we aim for average?
 


this gets us back to the same old argument. What is the floor and what is the ceiling for this program?

After the years in the wasteland, when Kill and Claeys came along, an 8-win season and a bowl game sounded good.

but now, under Fleck, fans believe the Gophers can/should set their sights higher. And the question is how high?

Can this program win 9-10 games a year on a regular basis? And that gets us into the other chicken-or-the-egg argument - which comes first, better recruiting or more wins? do you need to win more games to get better recruits, or do you need to get better recruits to win more games?

The way 2020 is going, I'll be happy if they just play a freakin' game. at this point, even that is a question mark.
 

I don’t think P.J. Fleck came here to be just 7-9 wins every year! His goal is Conference titles every year and playoffs. So I’d expect 10 wins minimum with undefeated season maximum. That I believe is P.J. Flecks goals
 

I think we are confusing the ideas of what we want, what our ceiling and floor is, etc., and the point of the article. We all want to compete for championships, so does PJ, but I think what the article is getting at is that we aren't going to send him packing if he comes up a little short. I don't by any means agree with everything written, but just pointing out the difference in these concepts.
 

BleedGopher said:
per Andy Staples:

What are the jobs where a coach can be successful and get rich but not get run out of town if he doesn’t win division/conference/national titles?

Here’s a hint. They’re all in the SEC or the Big Ten, because those are the only places the schools that don’t care the most about football make enough to offer competitive salaries. Most of them are in the Big Ten, because most SEC fan bases either do not have reasonable expectations or wildly inflate their previously reasonable expectations after the slightest whiff of success.

Minnesota

P.J. Fleck’s name is going to come up for jobs in the next few years. He doesn’t need to take one unless it’s at a perennial national title contender. Otherwise, he needs to sit tight. Last year was the first time the Golden Gophers cracked double-digit wins since Glen Mason went 10-3 in 2003. The Fleck-led win against Wisconsin in 2018 was Minnesota’s first in that series since 2003. All Fleck needs to do is win between seven and nine games most years and beat Wisconsin once every three or four years and he’s set for life.

theathletic.com

Dear Andy: How many jobs are more secure than Mark Stoops’ at Kentucky?

This week we have a not-so-random ranking of underrated coaching gigs that should not be left unless a national championship is attainable.
theathletic.com theathletic.com

Go Gophers!!
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That is not elite thinking.
 

Thankfully and as he should, PJ has more in mind.
 


So if over the next 4 years PJ averages 9 wins, and only beats Wisconsin once and has no division championships, you'd call for his firing?
 

Replacement Gopher said:
Just like Mason was set for life?
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If mason had won 7-9 games consistently he probably was set for life.
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he won 4-8 games with two anomaly years
I would say the norm for mason was 6-7 not 7-9
Mean = 6.4 wins
Median = 6.5 wins
 

GhostofBronko said:
So if over the next 4 years PJ averages 9 wins, and only beats Wisconsin once and has no division championships, you'd call for his firing?
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Next four years isn’t “for life” when he’s that young.

Most wouldn’t, but not even a division title?? That means Iowa and Wisconsin are still getting the better of us. People will be restless to taste the promised land.

Minnesota should not be a perpetual Wake Forrest/Vanderbilt program.
 

GhostofBronko said:
So if over the next 4 years PJ averages 9 wins, and only beats Wisconsin once and has no division championships, you'd call for his firing?
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For sure would not be asking for his firing. Would be disappointed if we only beat UW once and do not even win the division once.
 

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