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I was just in Nashville for the first time last month for a Pearl Jam (arena show). Having been there and now knowing what the city and scene are all about, building a domed stadium is a no brainer. I can imagine several huge country acts setting up mini-residencies there, as well as a tour stop for any genre.

Easy sell, just as it was in Vegas. SoFi in LA was pretty much all privately financed, so not exactly the same.

I haven't seen it referenced, but I'm sure this puts Nashville in play for Final 4s, SEC Football Conference Championship, CFP Playoffs/Title as well.
True on SoFi. You can pull that off in markets like LA, NYC. Wonder if Chicago’s new copy of SoFi out in the burbs will be privately financed too.

But for the Nashville’s, Indy’s, Minneapolis’s of the country, has to be public financing.
 

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True on SoFi. You can pull that off in markets like LA, NYC. Wonder if Chicago’s new copy of SoFi out in the burbs will be privately financed too.

But for the Nashville’s, Indy’s, Minneapolis’s of the country, has to be public financing.
Yep, or at least something with shared funding. Even something 50/50 is going to run $1B (for both halves).

Those stadiums that are for the most part privately funded, still try to get "infrastructure" costs to be covered by cities, counties, states, etc, which are tens or hundreds of millions.

Amazing, in my lifetime that HHH Dome was built for $55 Million, which in today's dollars would be in the $200 Million range. That's only about 10% of what this Nashville structure is going to cost, and the HHH Dome was used by 3 Major tenants (Vikings, Twins, & Gopher football).

For all it's faults, what a bargain. 2 Final Fours and a Super Bowl. Heckuva deal.
 

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The Wolves are in the $2B range while the Commandos are $6B - $7B range. That seems well out of reach for Lore. Just guessing.

I am not even counting ARod as he is having difficulty coming up with the scratch for the Wolves as is.
I was joking about ARod and Lore. They are scrambling to come up with the dough to buy an undervalued NBA team on layaway from an 81 year old guy who appears to have outsmarted them. There's no way they could ever buy an NFL team.
 

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True on SoFi. You can pull that off in markets like LA, NYC. Wonder if Chicago’s new copy of SoFi out in the burbs will be privately financed too.

But for the Nashville’s, Indy’s, Minneapolis’s of the country, has to be public financing.
I'm in Chicago frequently. Every time I drive by Soldier Field I shake my head. It's the oddest looking stadium I've every seen. It looks like somebody dropped a space ship inside the Parthenon.

I don't know anything about Nashville's stadium situation but I wouldn't be shocked if it ended up substantially privately financed. For a mid market, Nashville is very, very economically robust. Construction going on everywhere.
 

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Hey, that is great. Hope they do.

Stadiums "should" be privately financed. Hell, the owners should finance it!

Obviously not every market can pull that off. But thanks for the perspective on Nashville.
 


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I'm in Chicago frequently. Every time I drive by Soldier Field I shake my head. It's the oddest looking stadium I've every seen. It looks like somebody dropped a space ship inside the Parthenon.

I don't know anything about Nashville's stadium situation but I wouldn't be shocked if it ended up substantially privately financed. For a mid market, Nashville is very, very economically robust. Construction going on everywhere.
Random thought: (sorry to go wildly off topic here)

do you think once Chicago builds their copy of SoFi out at the race track site .... will they get 2 NFL teams?

The AFC team that would make at least some sense to move there would be the Jags. Physically close to Indy and fairly close to Nashville.

Also an easier flight to London for fans, if they wanted to try to do a thing like that.
 

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If any public money goes to a stadium, it's a travesty.
 

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Hey, that is great. Hope they do.

Stadiums "should" be privately financed. Hell, the owners should finance it!

Obviously not every market can pull that off. But thanks for the perspective on Nashville.
I really don't know that much about Nashville. I'm there a couple of times a year for short stays and I'm blown away by all of the stuff that's going on. It makes this place look sleepy.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but if Lore and ARod are able to get themselves in a position to blackmail us over a new arena, I'm sure they will look at the Nashville market.
 

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Random thought: (sorry to go wildly off topic here)

do you think once Chicago builds their copy of SoFi out at the race track site .... will they get 2 NFL teams?

The AFC team that would make at least some sense to move there would be the Jags. Physically close to Indy and fairly close to Nashville.

Also an easier flight to London for fans, if they wanted to try to do a thing like that.
I believe the Bears are planning to pay for much of that stadium so I don't see that happening. Even if they weren't, I think the NFL would look at moving a team outside the country first. Toronto or even London possibly. Toronto would be ok, London not so much.
 



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I really don't know that much about Nashville. I'm there a couple of times a year for short stays and I'm blown away by all of the stuff that's going on. It makes this place look sleepy.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but if Lore and ARod are able to get themselves in a position to blackmail us over a new arena, I'm sure they will look at the Nashville market.
The Preds' arena opened in 96 and last renovated in 2015 according to Wikipedia. So seems like perhaps Nashville roughly in the same position as Mpls in "needing" a brand new arena in the next few years.
 

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I believe the Bears are planning to pay for much of that stadium so I don't see that happening. Even if they weren't, I think the NFL would look at moving a team outside the country first. Toronto or even London possibly. Toronto would be ok, London not so much.
The last bit, that could well be true regardless.

The first bit, wasn't SoFi completely built by just the Rams owner? I feel like the Chargers ownership didn't have anything to do with it, and just tagged along?
 

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The last bit, that could well be true regardless.

The first bit, wasn't SoFi completely built by just the Rams owner? I feel like the Chargers ownership didn't have anything to do with it, and just tagged along?
Correct. I think the Chargers pay just $1 a year for rent too. I see that as a different situation where both teams moved to LA at the same time. The Bears have the long history in that city and I doubt they would sign off on it.
 

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Correct. I think the Chargers pay just $1 a year for rent too. I see that as a different situation where both teams moved to LA at the same time. The Bears have the long history in that city and I doubt they would sign off on it.
What would the Bears be losing? They'd be "letting" the Jags fill up the place on all the weeks that they (Bears) can't play there because they're on the road. If anything, Bears maybe take a cut of ticket sales (not sure if Rams do that for Chargers game).
 



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What would the Bears be losing? They'd be "letting" the Jags fill up the place on all the weeks that they (Bears) can't play there because they're on the road. If anything, Bears maybe take a cut of ticket sales (not sure if Rams do that for Chargers game).
They would be a direct competitor. What if the Jags end up being a lot better for a long period of time? Who do you think is going to have an easier time filling the stadium, selling suites, etc?

Either way, it makes little sense from the NFL's standpoint. Why move into an area that they've already been so successful in?
 

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They would be a direct competitor. What if the Jags end up being a lot better for a long period of time? Who do you think is going to have an easier time filling the stadium, selling suites, etc?

Either way, it makes little sense from the NFL's standpoint. Why move into an area that they've already been so successful in?
I just don't see how it works for LA and NYC but doesn't for Chicago.

That doesn't make me right. It just seems like a thing that could reasonably be done in those 3.


If you count different teams in different stadiums but technically the same market, you also arguably have the Bay Area and Baltimore/DC.
 

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I just don't see how it works for LA and NYC but doesn't for Chicago.

That doesn't make me right. It just seems like a thing that could reasonably be done in those 3.


If you count different teams in different stadiums but technically the same market, you also arguably have the Bay Area and Baltimore/DC.
I'm not saying it wouldn't work. I'm just saying I'm not sure the Bears would approve it. The LA situation is different in that both teams moved there at the same time. The NY situation is different because the Jets joined in the 1970 merger. And the money involved in 1970 is a lot different than it is today.

Strictly from a business standpoint, adding a second team to Chicago would not make as much sense as moving a team to a new market.
 

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I'm not saying it wouldn't work. I'm just saying I'm not sure the Bears would approve it. The LA situation is different in that both teams moved there at the same time. The NY situation is different because the Jets joined in the 1970 merger. And the money involved in 1970 is a lot different than it is today.

Strictly from a business standpoint, adding a second team to Chicago would not make as much sense as moving a team to a new market.
100%. They would put a team in a place like Birmingham before they would put 2 teams in Chicago.
 

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100%. They would put a team in a place like Birmingham before they would put 2 teams in Chicago.
They would move the Chargers to Birmingham, then?

Or Portland, or Salt Lake City, or ... ?
 

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The Chargers are stuck at SoFi for the forseeable future. Dean Spanos, dumbass that he is, turned off the San Diego market

With deals getting done in Buffalo and Nashville this year, and with the McCaskeys buying Arlington Park Racetrack, FedEx Field is the NFL's last big stadium problem. And it goes part and parcel with Daniel Snyder being a terrible owner. The joint was never great to begin with, and with Daniel Snyder at the helm, the joint has rotted at the seams.

The McCaskeys claim the public won't be paying for the stadium itself, but will be going to the city for paying for groundwork.
 

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They would move the Chargers to Birmingham, then?

Or Portland, or Salt Lake City, or ... ?
LA is not Chicago and both teams knew the deal when they moved there and the other 30 owners got split the massive relocation fees. Plus both teams had prior/current ties to Southern California and an equal chance to succeed with the new fan base.

The Bears would object and demand a majority of any relocation fee instead of splitting it equally and the new team would struggle to get traction against one of the NFL's oldest franchises. They aren't moving another team there.
 

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I really don't know that much about Nashville. I'm there a couple of times a year for short stays and I'm blown away by all of the stuff that's going on. It makes this place look sleepy.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but if Lore and ARod are able to get themselves in a position to blackmail us over a new arena, I'm sure they will look at the Nashville market.
I have no idea how it works in the NBA but would the Memphis Grizzlies have some sort of territory rights?
 


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The Chargers are stuck at SoFi for the forseeable future. Dean Spanos, dumbass that he is, turned off the San Diego market

With deals getting done in Buffalo and Nashville this year, and with the McCaskeys buying Arlington Park Racetrack, FedEx Field is the NFL's last big stadium problem. And it goes part and parcel with Daniel Snyder being a terrible owner. The joint was never great to begin with, and with Daniel Snyder at the helm, the joint has rotted at the seams.

The McCaskeys claim the public won't be paying for the stadium itself, but will be going to the city for paying for groundwork.
Your thoughts on if a 2nd NFL team at the new AP stadium would ever be a thing or should even be considered?

(Hopefully it's well understood that I'm making this up out of thin air, for the purposes of "fun" discussion)
 

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LA is not Chicago and both teams knew the deal when they moved there and the other 30 owners got split the massive relocation fees. Plus both teams had prior/current ties to Southern California and an equal chance to succeed with the new fan base.

The Bears would object and demand a majority of any relocation fee instead of splitting it equally and the new team would struggle to get traction against one of the NFL's oldest franchises. They aren't moving another team there.
Kronke did SoFi himself. And he wasn't able to just up and "demand" a majority of the Chargers relocation fee for himself.

Chicago is massive and full of transplants and the Bears haven't been very good for a while. Absolutely another team could establish itself there.


You are very defeatist, and I'm not sure why. Maybe being a Gopher fan for many years has brow beaten you? :cool:
 

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I have no idea how it works in the NBA but would the Memphis Grizzlies have some sort of territory rights?
You'd think Dallas could have blocked OKC? Not exactly the same since a different state, but about the same distance (miles) wise.
 

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"It took nearly 12 months, but it appears the NFL has finally figured out who will be footing the bill for the $790 million settlement that the league made with the city of St. Louis last November.

According to ESPN, the NFL's 32 owners are set to approve a resolution Tuesday that will call for Kroenke to foot the bill for $571 million of the $790 million settlement. The rest of the money will be coming from the NFL's 32 teams, who were somewhat surprised earlier this year when they found out they would be contributing to the bill. Back in May, the NFL deducted $7.5 million from each team's revenue-sharing payment, and the league used that money to help pay the settlement.

The teams were surprised to lose that money because most of them were expecting Kroenke to foot the entire bill for the settlement. The issue has been a contentious one that has been hanging over the league's head since the St. Louis settlement was originally announced Nov. 24..

In the end, Kroenke's decision to move the team from St. Louis to Los Angeles is going to cost him $571 million on top of everything else he's already paid for. The Rams moved to L.A. prior to the 2016 season after spending 21 seasons in St. Louis.

Although Kroenke will be forking over a huge chunk of change, he shouldn't have any problem doing that. According to Bloomberg, the Rams owner (and his wife) has a net worth of $12.5 billion."

 

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You'd think Dallas could have blocked OKC? Not exactly the same since a different state, but about the same distance (miles) wise.
Good point, each league must handle it in a different manner. MLB, the Orioles agreed to let the Expos move to Washington, but as part of it get a good chunk of their TV revenue.

The Blackhawks have essentially blocked Milwaukee's efforts to get an NHL franchise.
 

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Yeah, you always wonder in some of these markets that have only an NBA or NHL team in a fantastic arena why they don't have both when it makes so much economic sense, and probably the answer is that some other team in the league is blocking them.
 

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Your thoughts on if a 2nd NFL team at the new AP stadium would ever be a thing or should even be considered?

(Hopefully it's well understood that I'm making this up out of thin air, for the purposes of "fun" discussion)
From a competitive standpoint, absolutely not. Chicagoland is a Bears town first and foremost,

On the other hand, unlike some other owners in the league, the Bears franchise is the only asset of this scale that the McCaskeys own. They have to manage their cash flow far more carefully than, say, Stan Kroenke or the Glazer estate. Having a second tenant under the right circumstances would greatly help the cash flow.
 

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Kronke did SoFi himself. And he wasn't able to just up and "demand" a majority of the Chargers relocation fee for himself.

Chicago is massive and full of transplants and the Bears haven't been very good for a while. Absolutely another team could establish itself there.


You are very defeatist, and I'm not sure why. Maybe being a Gopher fan for many years has brow beaten you? :cool:
How is it "defeatist"? I have no stake in whether Chicago gets another NFL team. I'm telling you why it won't happen.
 




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