Souhan RIPS Maturi, Tubby, etc. in column: Minn athletics tarnished by mismanagement

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Minnesota athletics tarnished by mismanagement

By JIM SOUHAN
Star Tribune (Minneapolis)
Published: Wednesday, May. 26, 2010

MINNEAPOLIS -- Jimmy Williams' victorious lawsuit against Tubby Smith and the University of Minnesota isn't as damaging as it is revealing.

The case reminds us of the rich tradition of Gopher basketball scandals, the arrogance of power coaches, the basketball program's 40-year slump, the sorry state of the University of Minnesota's revenue sports, and the cost of employing an athletic director who doubles as a naive bystander.

Gophers AD Joe Maturi oversees fine volleyball, baseball, wrestling and track teams. That's not his job. His job, as the boss of a Big Ten athletic department, is to run revenue programs that bring glory and money to the university. Williams' successful suit is the latest sign that Maturi is overmatched, that he exercises little control where control is most needed.

Court documents reveal that Maturi didn't want Williams hired at least in part because he was concerned about the possibility of adverse media reaction to the hiring of a coach who had been involved in NCAA violations as a Gophers assistant under Bill Musselman and Jim Dutcher in the 1970s and 1980s. Worrying about media reaction is a terrible way to make a decision. A real AD would have hired or rejected Williams based on his life's work and reputation, not on a fear of criticism.

Real ADs are judged by the successes and failures of their revenue sports. In this way, too, Maturi is failing.

He hired Tim Brewster, who has made a mess of the football program.

He got out of Smith's way when Smith decided he wanted to coach at Minnesota, and the Williams case reminds us that power coaches like Smith too often act like emperors, not employees.

Maturi also has done nothing to halt the slide of Don Lucia's once-proud hockey program.

While the decline of the hockey program is most shocking, it is the basketball program that has become the university's biggest embarrassment. It is the basketball program that is responsible for the worst moments in recent university history, from the Ohio State brawl to the rape charges in Madison to the most sordid case of academic fraud ever uncovered.

The hiring of Smith, even if it was really Smith doing the hiring, offered the promise of on-court success without embarrassment, the promise of clean victories and a classy power coach in whom we could believe.

It turns out Smith looks better on paper than in person. His resume is impeccable. His work in Dinkytown is spotty.

Smith has returned the basketball program to relevance, and to the NCAA Tournament. He has not, however, become the ambassador for the program or the university that we assumed he would be. He has not been as visible or as charming as many of us expected.

His program might have already peaked. And, in the attempted hiring of Williams, he did so little due diligence that he didn't know about Williams' past involvement in scandals.

Smith is a dramatic improvement over Dan Monson because his teams usually play hard, usually play strong defense. But the notion that he would bring in a new caliber of national recruit who would transform the program has proved bogus. In fact, his best recruits - Royce White and Trevor Mbakwe -have proved to be his most problematic recruits. There is still no certainty that either will ever play in Williams Arena.

On the court, his offenses are erratic and few of his players have demonstrated improvement. Off the court, Smith has acted like the quintessential power coach, demanding a new practice facility, refusing to quash rumors that he is looking for another job ... and offering jobs to assistant coaches without involving his boss in the process.

The five most important positions involving the University of Minnesota athletic department are filled with men ill-suited to elevating Gophers sports beyond the gravitational pull of mediocrity.

The university president, Robert Bruininks, is far too satisfied with Maturi's laissez-faire approach to his revenue programs. The president should demand more from the position, and the athletic department.

The athletic director, Maturi, behaves more like a cheerleader for the cross-country team than the boss of the high-priced basketball coach.

The football coach, Brewster, got Maturi alone in a hotel room during the interview process and sold him a bill of goods that any intelligent Gophers fan has since rejected.

The hockey coach, Lucia, has crashed a program that should glide on auto-pilot.

If we want to consider women's basketball a revenue sport - because it briefly was headed in that direction - then Maturi's tenure looks even worse.

The women's basketball coach, Pam Borton, has helped guide the team back to the days of small crowds and low expectations, ever since five starting players decided they didn't want to play for her anymore.

The university can afford to pay Williams for Smith's negligence. The university can't afford many more years of mismanagement and under-management, not of the revenue programs that should enrich and represent the entire university.

http://www.sacbee.com/2010/05/26/2779502/minnesota-athletics-tarnished.html

Go Gophers!!
 

Not a bad piece. I think Souhan is too hard on Brewster and not hard enough on the decision to keep Mason around for a decade. I think Souhan (like so many) over uses the "scandal" there should be more outrage over the penalties imposed on Minnesota for things going on all over the country. When Michigan, USC, and Oklahoma get penalized severely, I'll have some faith in NCAA sanctions.

I hope we are making way too much of one off year of recruiting by Tubby thanks mainly to unexpected player movement. If we bring in a class that's not in the top half of the Big Ten in 2011, then I will be really concerned about what's going on with Tubby's recruiting.
 

The Ohio State brawl was 38 years ago if my math is right. There have been seven coaches since that night (Musselman, Dutcher, Williams, Haskins, Monson, Molinari and Smith) - that hardly qualifies as "recent university history". The Madison charges were 20+ years ago, and the players were acquitted. Exoneration is not a scandal. It looks as though Souhan wrote his article then bent the facts to support it.

I do agree about Borton and Maturi, but disagree about Smith and the basketball program.
 

What a shock that Souhan wrote an article like this. Let me guess, Barreiro is already salivating mustering up his fake outrage. I don't believe in killing the messenger, but these guys and others take too much pleasure in this.
 

Lol. Souhan is still pissed off that PJS made look like an idiot.
 


It's hard to argue with the points in the article. We need an AD with some leadership skills, not one that is concerned about a "media reaction" to someone the BB coach wants to hire. Maturi is a weak AD and all the revenue sports reflect that.
 

Agree with many points regarding Maturi, most notably about how he continues to virtually ignore the sorry state of the hockey program. Also, still not really thrilled that whenever asked about hiring Brewster, Maturi's response sounds like someone conducting an experimental hire. As for the rest of it, the whole Ohio State brawl thing is a laughable point to bring up. I also suggest that Souhan check out the Florida State cheating scandal when discussing the "most sordid cheating scandal ever", which quite frankly makes the Gophers cheating scandal look like it was conducted by a bunch of cheating amatuers.

However, the point that Maturi isn't competent is becoming more and more visible. At this point, I have little to no faith in him when it comes to either problem solving or making viable hires within the department.
 

Agree with many points regarding Maturi, most notably about how he continues to virtually ignore the sorry state of the hockey program. Also, still not really thrilled that whenever asked about hiring Brewster, Maturi's response sounds like someone conducting an experimental hire. As for the rest of it, the whole Ohio State brawl thing is a laughable point to bring up. I also suggest that Souhan check out the Florida State cheating scandal when discussing the "most sordid cheating scandal ever", which quite frankly makes the Gophers cheating scandal look like it was conducted by a bunch of cheating amatuers.

However, the point that Maturi isn't competent is becoming more and more visible. At this point, I have little to no faith in him when it comes to either problem solving or making viable hires within the department.

Um you might want to check out the FSU cheating scandal and then check out Minnesota's. I'm going to give you a summary of each.


FSU:
Violation Summary: Violations of NCAA legislation involving three former University Athletics Academic Support Services staff members (including a former learning specialist) who gave improper assistance resulting in academic fraud to numerous student-athletes representing multiple sport programs. There were also associated violations relating to the provision of impermissible benefits and a failure to monitor by the institution.

Penalty Summary: Additional penalties imposed by the committee were as follows: public reprimand and censure; four years of probation (the institution had proposed a period of two years); additional limits in the number of grants-in-aid in football, men's and women's basketball, men's and women's swimming, men's and women's track and field, baseball, softball and men's golf; vacation of all records in which the 61 student-athletes competed while ineligible during 2006 and 2007 in the sports of football, men's and women's basketball, men's and women's swimming, men's and women's track and field, baseball, softball and men's golf; show-cause order for the former learning specialist for a period of four years; show-cause order for the former tutor for a period of three years; show-cause order for the former academic advisor for a period of five years; annual compliance reporting required.

Minnesota:
Violation Summary: Academic Fraud; Unethical Conduct; Provision of Extra Benefits; Failure to Comply with Eligibility Requirements; Impermissible Special Arrangement; Recruiting Inducement; Violation of Eligibility/Transfer Requirements; Violation of Supplemental Pay Provisions; Violation of Rules Compliance Principal; Lack of Institutional Control.

Penalty Summary: Public Reprimand and Censure; four years of probation; reduction in the total of grants-in-aid for men's basketball; official visits reduced in men's basketball; evaluation days reduced in men's basketball; vacation of team records and the individual records of any student-athlete who engaged in academic fraud, for the years of 1994, 1995, including the 1997 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournaments and the 1996, 1998, National Invitational Tournaments; show-cause order for the former head men's basketball coach for seven years; show-cause order for the former academic counselor for seven years, show-cause order for the former secretary for five years; disassociation of the owner of the a local dealership who also is a representative of the university's athletics interest; annual compliance reporting; recertification after the probation period. [APPEAL BY THE FORMER HEAD MEN'S BASKETBALL COACH UPHELD BY THE APPEALS INFRACTIONS COMMITTEE.]

Now rethink your statement!

FSU was over 2 years, Minnesota was over 5 years. Amateurs I think not!
A show-cause order tells all. The only reason why the FSU advisor got 5 instead of 4 (like the learning specialist) is because he refused to talk with the NCAA. The least anyone associated with Minnesota got was 5! And that's because she helped out. Bliss (former Baylor coach who tried to cover up the fact that he gave money to the kid who was killed by saying the kid was a drug dealer) got 10 years. Haskins got 7.

It's one thing to be a fan, but it's another to ignore the facts.
 

Not a bad piece. I think Souhan is too hard on Brewster and not hard enough on the decision to keep Mason around for a decade. I think Souhan (like so many) over uses the "scandal" there should be more outrage over the penalties imposed on Minnesota for things going on all over the country. When Michigan, USC, and Oklahoma get penalized severely, I'll have some faith in NCAA sanctions.

I hope we are making way too much of one off year of recruiting by Tubby thanks mainly to unexpected player movement. If we bring in a class that's not in the top half of the Big Ten in 2011, then I will be really concerned about what's going on with Tubby's recruiting.

When someone from Michigan, USC, or UO steps up and tells the NCAA what's going on and provides proof, then maybe something will happen. Do you think that Minnesota would have ever been charged in that academic scandal if Ganglehoff hadn't been fired and said something? Same with Dave Bliss at Baylor. Only reason he got hammered was because an honest assistant coach wouldn't go a long with the "Patrick Dennehy is a drug dealer and that's how he got the money" scheme.

Two kinds of people bring down big-time programs: honest people (the assistant coach at baylor) and scorned people (Ganglehoff).

The Ohio State brawl was 38 years ago if my math is right. There have been seven coaches since that night (Musselman, Dutcher, Williams, Haskins, Monson, Molinari and Smith) - that hardly qualifies as "recent university history". The Madison charges were 20+ years ago, and the players were acquitted. Exoneration is not a scandal. It looks as though Souhan wrote his article then bent the facts to support it.

I do agree about Borton and Maturi, but disagree about Smith and the basketball program.

I am not gonna lie the OSU brawl was way before my time. So I had to youtube it. And I gotta tell you that it may have been one of the funniest things I ever saw. I am not condoning it, but I was expecting something much worse (after reading the article).
 



The Ohio State brawl was 38 years ago if my math is right. There have been seven coaches since that night (Musselman, Dutcher, Williams, Haskins, Monson, Molinari and Smith) - that hardly qualifies as "recent university history". The Madison charges were 20+ years ago, and the players were acquitted. Exoneration is not a scandal. It looks as though Souhan wrote his article then bent the facts to support it.

I do agree about Borton and Maturi, but disagree about Smith and the basketball program.


Not just 38 years ago, but 30 years before Maturi was hired as the athletic director! He doesn't actually say that Maturi was responsible, but he strongly implies this, hoping that the reader doesn't catch it. This incident is irrelevant to Maturi. The academic scandal was also before Maturi was hired here.

Pointing out scandals that happened before Maturi was hired actually makes Maturi look good, by highlighting what took place before he came here.

Attacking the U for an incident from 38 years ago is absurd. I first started paying attention to Gopher sports around 1980. People who have been fans longer than I have may remember the incident, but this is the equivalent of in 1980, continuing to attack the U for something that happened in 1942. If in 1980, someone was harping over an incident from 1942, I would have said they were obsessive.
 

Aside from bringing up the OSU Brawl and the Madison situation it's hard to argue with Souhan on this one. He was making a fool of himself with some of his Gopher-bashing earlier this Spring (the Xavier columns, etc.) but he's not far off here. You can't disregard the whole column just because a couple of the examples cited are ancient history.

I too am becoming convinced Tubby and Maturi will not be able to coexist for another year. And I'm afraid Tubby will be the one to go, nothing will be done with Brewster as long as he gets even 4 wins or so, and we'll be sitting here a year from now with the same AD, the same football coach, the same hockey coach and a new basketball coach fresh out of the MAC. I'm not looking forward to that. I know I get accused of 'Maturi bashing' but I don't know how folks can honestly look at the overall situation and still say his strenghs outweigh his weaknesses. He's 65 years old and has been quoted as saying his job 'isn't fun' anymore. He would really be doing the U a huge favor if he'd just quietly announce he's retiring in 3 or 6 months. I don't expect an outgoing President will have the will to force him out.
 

Aside from bringing up the OSU Brawl and the Madison situation it's hard to argue with Souhan on this one. He was making a fool of himself with some of his Gopher-bashing earlier this Spring (the Xavier columns, etc.) but he's not far off here. You can't disregard the whole column just because a couple of the examples cited are ancient history.

Reminds me of an old joke: "Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"

He's 65 years old and has been quoted as saying his job 'isn't fun' anymore. He would really be doing the U a huge favor if he'd just quietly announce he's retiring in 3 or 6 months. I don't expect an outgoing President will have the will to force him out.

Perhaps he should go. His saying the job "isn't fun" anymore sounds like someone thinking of retiring. But the article tries to tarnish Maturi for numerous incidents before Maturi's time here, and that's just plain deceitful.
 

The U needs fresh blood in the athletic dept. There's way too many negative things going on in such a short period of time. I think if we got a new AD, we might be able to get donors to pony up money for a new bball facility and baseball stadium. Right now, people have no confidence in Maturi to make the right decision. He's a micro manager and not a visionary type of leader. He needs to retire, get his golden parachute and just go away.
 



Um you might want to check out the FSU cheating scandal and then check out Minnesota's. I'm going to give you a summary of each.


FSU:
Violation Summary: Violations of NCAA legislation involving three former University Athletics Academic Support Services staff members (including a former learning specialist) who gave improper assistance resulting in academic fraud to numerous student-athletes representing multiple sport programs. There were also associated violations relating to the provision of impermissible benefits and a failure to monitor by the institution.

Penalty Summary: Additional penalties imposed by the committee were as follows: public reprimand and censure; four years of probation (the institution had proposed a period of two years); additional limits in the number of grants-in-aid in football, men's and women's basketball, men's and women's swimming, men's and women's track and field, baseball, softball and men's golf; vacation of all records in which the 61 student-athletes competed while ineligible during 2006 and 2007 in the sports of football, men's and women's basketball, men's and women's swimming, men's and women's track and field, baseball, softball and men's golf; show-cause order for the former learning specialist for a period of four years; show-cause order for the former tutor for a period of three years; show-cause order for the former academic advisor for a period of five years; annual compliance reporting required.

Minnesota:
Violation Summary: Academic Fraud; Unethical Conduct; Provision of Extra Benefits; Failure to Comply with Eligibility Requirements; Impermissible Special Arrangement; Recruiting Inducement; Violation of Eligibility/Transfer Requirements; Violation of Supplemental Pay Provisions; Violation of Rules Compliance Principal; Lack of Institutional Control.

Penalty Summary: Public Reprimand and Censure; four years of probation; reduction in the total of grants-in-aid for men's basketball; official visits reduced in men's basketball; evaluation days reduced in men's basketball; vacation of team records and the individual records of any student-athlete who engaged in academic fraud, for the years of 1994, 1995, including the 1997 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournaments and the 1996, 1998, National Invitational Tournaments; show-cause order for the former head men's basketball coach for seven years; show-cause order for the former academic counselor for seven years, show-cause order for the former secretary for five years; disassociation of the owner of the a local dealership who also is a representative of the university's athletics interest; annual compliance reporting; recertification after the probation period. [APPEAL BY THE FORMER HEAD MEN'S BASKETBALL COACH UPHELD BY THE APPEALS INFRACTIONS COMMITTEE.]

Now rethink your statement!

FSU was over 2 years, Minnesota was over 5 years. Amateurs I think not!
A show-cause order tells all. The only reason why the FSU advisor got 5 instead of 4 (like the learning specialist) is because he refused to talk with the NCAA. The least anyone associated with Minnesota got was 5! And that's because she helped out. Bliss (former Baylor coach who tried to cover up the fact that he gave money to the kid who was killed by saying the kid was a drug dealer) got 10 years. Haskins got 7.

It's one thing to be a fan, but it's another to ignore the facts.

Sorry, not buying it. You can use the whole, "Minnesota did it longer, therefore, it must be worse argument" all you want. But I would say cheating in one sport versus something like, let's say, 161 athletes over 11 different sports (which was once reported by the media) is a bigger deal, regardless of how the NCAA selectively overlooked that fact. And before you bring up the whole "well, the NCAA saw it this way" argument in your defense, remember the NCAA has a LONG history of selective justice and FSU is one of the "select." So I suggest you rethink your statement, the FSU case is just as bad if not a lot worse than what happened at Minnesota. But if your convinced that Minnesota was in fact worse, I suggest you stop being a Minnesota "fan" altogether and root, for say, Florida State.
 

Tubby's hubris and inattention to detail are his two major weaknesses. They were glaring frustrations at Kentucky and they seemed to have cropped up again at Minnesota. That doesn't make him a bad coach or a bad person but they do explain some of the inconsistencies, disappointments and failures in his coaching career.

Maturi seems like a guy who is more comfortable with the fundraising/business side of running a major athletic department. If he were smart he'd delegate oversight of the football and basketball programs to competent individuals who understand those facets to a greater degree than he obviously does. That doesn't mean he has to give up his authority or his position but it would be smart from a managment standpoint.
 

The U needs fresh blood in the athletic dept. There's way too many negative things going on in such a short period of time. I think if we got a new AD, we might be able to get donors to pony up money for a new bball facility and baseball stadium. Right now, people have no confidence in Maturi to make the right decision. He's a micro manager and not a visionary type of leader. He needs to retire, get his golden parachute and just go away.

Maturi's mantra: "keeping with the U's values and standards" has grown tired - he would never be considered as AD at OSU, Michigan, or PSU - they would consider him a complete lightweight
 

Maturi's mantra: "keeping with the U's values and standards" has grown tired - he would never be considered as AD at OSU, Michigan, or PSU - they would consider him a complete lightweight

Good point, Big 10. Another good point is that NO Athletics Director that OSU, Michigan, or PSU would consider hiring would EVER consider becoming the Gophers AD. Any experienced and accomplished AD would consider the U to be a complete lightweight.

Say what you want about Maturi but he is still better than EVERY OTHER AD the U has had since the 1960's when the football team started its long decline. His predecessors did not give Joel a lot to work with or to live up to during the last 40 years.

You guys are nuts if you think that once Maturi is gone there is a savior out there who will take the AD job and somehow transform the U's major sports into winning programs. It hasn't happened in 40 years, so why would you expect anything different this time around? Especially since the Governor and Legislature - by cutting millions of dollars from the U's budget with no end in sight - are in the process of turning the U into a private school for all practical purposes.
 

Yikes, my question is: How is Souhan ever going to be granted access to the University of Minnesota athletics again? Good luck getting and interview....wow!
This is a vicious slandering of a number of powerful people. How the hell does he get away with that?
We have every right to trash him on this because it's a column. It's not an objective article. He didn't quote anyone and its clear he is injecting his opinion with every slandering paragraph.
My head is spinning. This may be the first time the Twin Cities media has blatantly TRASHED Tubby Smith. There have been times where they have hinted at things, but this "hate mail" goes to a whole new level.
Honestly, this is shocking...
 

How do we, as concerned fans and supporters go about removing maturi from office? mass petition? (which could be difficult as school is not in session any longer) unless we could do it via facebook/online petition...letter writing? what?
 

Definitely not the first time. Souhan and Reusse have definitely done it before.

Yikes, my question is: How is Souhan ever going to be granted access to the University of Minnesota athletics again? Good luck getting and interview....wow!
This is a vicious slandering of a number of powerful people. How the hell does he get away with that?
We have every right to trash him on this because it's a column. It's not an objective article. He didn't quote anyone and its clear he is injecting his opinion with every slandering paragraph.
My head is spinning. This may be the first time the Twin Cities media has blatantly TRASHED Tubby Smith. There have been times where they have hinted at things, but this "hate mail" goes to a whole new level.
Honestly, this is shocking...
 

Souhan has some points in here, but it's another typical way over-stated column. I wonder what his papers were like in college. I would guess he probably just ignored counterarguments and over-stated his points.

Would Souhan ever write anything about the gophers if they had successful years in football and basketball?
 

Good point, Big 10. Another good point is that NO Athletics Director that OSU, Michigan, or PSU would consider hiring would EVER consider becoming the Gophers AD. Any experienced and accomplished AD would consider the U to be a complete lightweight.

Say what you want about Maturi but he is still better than EVERY OTHER AD the U has had since the 1960's when the football team started its long decline. His predecessors did not give Joel a lot to work with or to live up to during the last 40 years.

You guys are nuts if you think that once Maturi is gone there is a savior out there who will take the AD job and somehow transform the U's major sports into winning programs. It hasn't happened in 40 years, so why would you expect anything different this time around? Especially since the Governor and Legislature - by cutting millions of dollars from the U's budget with no end in sight - are in the process of turning the U into a private school for all practical purposes.

That's a bit simplistic. Sure a 'big time' AD's not going to make Minnesota first on his list. But AD's generally aren't like coaches, they don't move up the ranks by swithcing jobs a bunch of times, going from West Virginia to Michigan, etc. They might jump from the MAC to the Big 10, but then that's generally the end of it. Where was Jeremy Foley the AD before he took over at Florida? No where, I believe. He came up through the ranks right at UF. And by your logic, how did we get Tubby Smith? Why would a 'big-time' basketball coach want to come here any less then an big-time AD?

That Maturi is the best AD the U has had in 40 years is just your opinion. I do not agree. I liken Maturi a bit to Dan Monson. He came into a very difficult situation. Early-on he probably did as well as anyone could, and stabalized a bad situation. But it is now becoming more appearent with each passing year, that Maturi is in over his head here. From waiting too long to fire Monson, to firing Mason in January, down through the current mess. The man means well, I've never doubted that, but he doesn't have the decisive nature or insticts it takes to run a Big 10 athletic department.

Who do we get to replace him? I don't know. This isn't like replacing the basketball coach. I can only name 5-10 Athletic Directors off the top of my head total, much less those at smaller schools, etc. I don't expect the new person to 'be a savior' But the idea that we 'can't do any better' is false.

UpNorth, I'm curious...how is it that a new AD can't have any impact on turning around the 40 year Gopher football slide, but the Vikings moving away would?
 

Mark Dienhart and Tom Moe were both way better

than the hapless ditherer Maturi. Maturi is small time and need to be put out to pasture before he does more damage.

Dienhart walked into a no win situation, but was at a higher level. He know what mattered.

Tom Moe is smarter, more connected, and like Mark, fully aware of the big picture.

Neither is conducting cycle counts of office supplies and writing manuals about the "culture of humble competence" or some BS like that.
 

i agree with the gist of this article, but there is too much hyperbole/overstating for me. I also strongly disagree with the statement that only a few players have improved under Tubby.
 

than the hapless ditherer Maturi. Maturi is small time and need to be put out to pasture before he does more damage.

Dienhart walked into a no win situation, but was at a higher level. He know what mattered.

Tom Moe is smarter, more connected, and like Mark, fully aware of the big picture.

Neither is conducting cycle counts of office supplies and writing manuals about the "culture of humble competence" or some BS like that.


Saying it is so doesn't make it so. I have listed Maturi's numerous accomplishments multiple times in GH. Give me the list of Dienhart's and Moe's accomplishments as AD.
 

UpNorth, I'm curious...how is it that a new AD can't have any impact on turning around the 40 year Gopher football slide, but the Vikings moving away would?

I don't think I ever said that the Gopher's would suddenly become a winning program if the Vikings moved out of town. There are way too many other issues with the program for that to happen. What I did say is that the Gophers will NEVER become a consistent winner as long as the Vikings remain in Minnesota.

I have been a Gopher football fan and season ticket holder for longer than I care to remember, and longer than I have been a Vikings fan. I am starting to think that the Gopher's will never win another Big 10 Championship while I am alive. Just the thought of it really pisses me off.

I believe the lack of alumni, fan, and media support has allowed the U Administration and Board of Regents to get away with a losing football program for 40 years. Historically, the people who run the U have a different agenda and have not been focused on having a successful intercollegiate athletics program and winning Big 10 Championships. And other than a few hardcore fans nobody in Minnesota cares all that much when the Gophers lose on Saturday because they have the Vikings game to look forward to on Sunday.

Most of the Vikings fans that I know think that the Gophers are a complete joke and would never consider going to one of their games or watching them on TV. It never used to be that way. When I grew up in Duluth in the 1960's the Gophers where a big deal everywhere in the state. The Duluth News Tribune was always crammed with Gopher football game stories and player profiles.

And when the Vikings have losing football seasons every fan I know goes into a funk. Losing seasons have not been acceptable for Vikings fans since 1969. The same thing is true at the successful college football programs in the Big 10 and around the country. On the other hand everyone connected to the the U including the Regents, Administration, alumni, students, and fans have become way too used to and accepting of a losing football program. This attitude will have to change if the program is ever going to be turned around. I am starting to think that it never will.
 


You might need a roadmap to moving him out

Seriously - Are you people out of your f-ing minds?

I love college basketball but if it has such a priority in my life that I should put something together like that, I should probably rethink what I consider to be important.
 

Cuckoo, cuckoo

That is scary, isn't it? Nutjobs who take the time to put something together like that certainly don't help the perception that UK fans are a wee bit on the wacko side.
 

Looks like you folks are finding out about the Tubster the way we did...You might need a roadmap to moving him out...Here is a link that you might find helpful....

http://bigbluefans4uk.com/concerned_Fans/CCF4UK_AD.htm

Tubby won 76% of his games and 72% of NCAA games at UK. His teams won NCAA title, made 4 Elite 8, 6 Sweet 16, and 10 NCAA appearances in 10 years, plus 5 SEC titles and 5 SECT titles in those 10 seasons. All of those met or exceeded UK all-time results.

Since he left, UK has won 71% of its games and 60% of NCAA games. UK teams won 0 NCAA titles and made 1 Elite 8, 1 Sweet 16, and 2 NCAA appearances in 3 years, plus 1 SEC title and 1 SECT title in those 3 seasons. Each of those are BELOW UK all-time results.

Do the math, UK numb nut.
 




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