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Watching the Harvard game on ESPN right now, the Siyani Chambers kid from Hopkins is tearing it up. Has something like 14 points, 7 assists and 1 TO right now. Did the Gophers go after this guy? He seems like the type of guard we need to control the floor. Playing against UMass is obviously not Big Ten caliber, but the announcers won't stop talking about him and he just looks awesome.
 


Sometimes a position player is better than a pure athlete, it's not like he was an unknown, my only conclusion is that Tubby just doesn't care for a pure PG, Jones is the only one he has recruited in 6 years, I guess Joseph but I am not sure he was a true PG.
 

If Tubby wanted him he would have gone after him. He was Mr. Basketball, it's not like he was under the radar.
 





THE SCOUT! said:
when you got Maverick from CA. why go after a local kid
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I'd love to hear your explanation as to how there's a choice to be made between Ahanmisi in 2010 and Chambers in 2012.

...what's that, you say? Your only "point" was a gratuitous Tubby shot? No kidding! DPODOLL68!
 

Plenty of MN kids passed up for marginal outstate players, you probably think that chambers was not academically cleared to play at the U a
 



Chambers played the entire game at PG as it appears that Harvard has no back-up. He had 7 assists and that number could have been 12+ if his teammates had converted shots around the basket. UMASS had a very quick PG of their own and Chambers did have problems staying ahead of him on defense (most point guards will have similar challenges against that young man). A very impressive outing by Chambers. It looks like he will have a very good run at Harvard.
 

dpodoll68 said:
I'd love to hear your explanation as to how there's a choice to be made between Ahanmisi in 2010 and Chambers in 2012.

...what's that, you say? Your only "point" was a gratuitous Tubby shot? No kidding! DPODOLL68!
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51284/jordair-jett No but there was a local '10 PG who is set to have a solid season.

I'm with the general argument that we pass on too many local kids for out of state players we have not scouted enough.
 

dpodoll68 said:
I'd love to hear your explanation as to how there's a choice to be made between Ahanmisi in 2010 and Chambers in 2012.

...what's that, you say? Your only "point" was a gratuitous Tubby shot? No kidding! DPODOLL68!
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hahaha +1
 




I think Chambers is similar to Nate Wolters at SDSU (not in terms of game) in that he will get A TON of playing time for Harvard this year and develop into a better player because of it. If Chambers was here he would be on the depth chart behind Welch, Hollins and Hollins for sure, wouldn't he? Wolters is a 4-year starter, it appears Chambers will be a 4-year starter. When you're able to play as many minutes as your body allows and you are a huge component of the team early on, you should get better. I think he will be better in 2015 at Harvard than he would have been in 2015 for the Gophers.

With that said, I liked Chambers a lot today vs UMass. Maybe not a great opponent but he is very quick and would cause headaches for opposing guards in B1G play. With a guard like that (surprisingly long arms?) the Gophers could full court press and have him be Al Nolen-esque in his defense.
 

THE SCOUT! said:
Plenty of MN kids passed up for marginal outstate players, you probably think that chambers was not academically cleared to play at the U a
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Plenty? Name other "marginal outstate players" we have on the roster. I'm still waiting as to what signing Ahanmisi in 2010 has to do with signing or not signing Chambers in 2012.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Plenty? Name other "marginal outstate players" we have on the roster. I'm still waiting as to what signing Ahanmisi in 2010 has to do with signing or not signing Chambers in 2012.
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dpodoll, you have a magical way of saying that someone is blowing smoke our their ass. You are sometimes too nice.
 

I should have included this earlier but isn't it possible that Chambers might have chosen Harvard due to academics? I am sure he could have played basketball at a higher level than the Ivy League (though Harvard has been solid lately) but a free Ivy School education (assuming he got an academic full-ride, I don't believe they offer athletic scholarships) and the job connections post-college are worth a lot. He probably isn't going to the NBA and if he is good enough he will go there from Harvard. Its weird to see but some kids do choose life after basketball over 4 years of basketball, maybe he is one of them?
 

THE SCOUT! said:
Plenty of MN kids passed up for marginal outstate players, you probably think that chambers was not academically cleared to play at the U a
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I'm sure you were on here shouting at Tubby for not offering Chambers last year, right? We also didn't sign a point guard last year.
 

The conclusion I usually draw on guys like Wolters, Jett, etc. and if Tubby "missed" is if they have a Wisconsin or other Big 10 offer. Now, I know MN and WI play fairly different styles, but many like to call MN "in-state recruiting" (as misguided as that may be) for the Badgers. anyways. My point is that Bo Ryan loves to take MN kids, he even offered Rodney and Royce (if i recall correctly) who really don't fit his system. Or even look if Marquette or Iowa Sate offered a guy as they recruit Minnesota pretty heavily as well. Same with Nebraska now too.

So if you want to say Tubby is a moron recruiter for passing on Wolters and Chambers I hope you are ready to call Bo Ryan (and multiple other Big 10 coaches and BCS coaches) a moron recruiter too, and I know how painful that will be for some Gopher fans to say a negative word about the almighty Bo.

Siyani Chambers offer list (per Rivals)
Harvard
Boston U
Central Michigan
Saint Louis
UC Davis
UC Irvine

Charles Buggs offer list (per rivals)
Minnesota
Arkansas
Charlotte
Clemson
Marquette
Santa Clara
Seton Hall
West Virginia

Wally Ellenson offer list (per rivals)
Minnesota
Cal Poly
Dayton
Duquesne
Green Bay
holy Cross
Wisconsin Milwuakee
Nebraska
Northern Illinois
Oklahoma State
Saint Louis
Illinois - Chicago
Utah
West Virginia

Damn you Tubby for signing two kids with multiple BCS offers over someone with not a single BCS offer just because he is from Minnesota! Fire Tubby!

(For the record, I am sure Chambers will be a very good player, but I am not going to blast Tubby for not going after a kid with zero BCS offers just because he is from MN)
 

Listen goofball I said he has signed not on the roster. You are one of these jokers who think wolters could not play here. I am THE SCOUT! nuff said!
 

THE SCOUT! said:
Listen goofball I said he has signed not on the roster. You are one of these jokers who think wolters could not play here. I am THE SCOUT! nuff said!
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This may be the funniest/corniest/lamest thing I have ever read. Thank you for that. Just curious though, are you serious when you say things like this, or is it intended to be funny?
 

scher215 said:
The conclusion I usually draw on guys like Wolters, Jett, etc. and if Tubby "missed" is if they have a Wisconsin or other Big 10 offer. Now, I know MN and WI play fairly different styles, but many like to call MN "in-state recruiting" (as misguided as that may be) for the Badgers. anyways. My point is that Bo Ryan loves to take MN kids, he even offered Rodney and Royce (if i recall correctly) who really don't fit his system. Or even look if Marquette or Iowa Sate offered a guy as they recruit Minnesota pretty heavily as well. Same with Nebraska now too.

So if you want to say Tubby is a moron recruiter for passing on Wolters and Chambers I hope you are ready to call Bo Ryan (and multiple other Big 10 coaches and BCS coaches) a moron recruiter too, and I know how painful that will be for some Gopher fans to say a negative word about the almighty Bo.

Siyani Chambers offer list (per Rivals)
Harvard
Boston U
Central Michigan
Saint Louis
UC Davis
UC Irvine

Charles Buggs offer list (per rivals)
Minnesota
Arkansas
Charlotte
Clemson
Marquette
Santa Clara
Seton Hall
West Virginia

Wally Ellenson offer list (per rivals)
Minnesota
Cal Poly
Dayton
Duquesne
Green Bay
holy Cross
Wisconsin Milwuakee
Nebraska
Northern Illinois
Oklahoma State
Saint Louis
Illinois - Chicago
Utah
West Virginia

Damn you Tubby for signing two kids with multiple BCS offers over someone with not a single BCS offer just because he is from Minnesota! Fire Tubby!

(For the record, I am sure Chambers will be a very good player, but I am not going to blast Tubby for not going after a kid with zero BCS offers just because he is from MN)
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St Tubby.
 

scher215 said:
The conclusion I usually draw on guys like Wolters, Jett, etc. and if Tubby "missed" is if they have a Wisconsin or other Big 10 offer. Now, I know MN and WI play fairly different styles, but many like to call MN "in-state recruiting" (as misguided as that may be) for the Badgers. anyways. My point is that Bo Ryan loves to take MN kids, he even offered Rodney and Royce (if i recall correctly) who really don't fit his system. Or even look if Marquette or Iowa Sate offered a guy as they recruit Minnesota pretty heavily as well. Same with Nebraska now too.

So if you want to say Tubby is a moron recruiter for passing on Wolters and Chambers I hope you are ready to call Bo Ryan (and multiple other Big 10 coaches and BCS coaches) a moron recruiter too, and I know how painful that will be for some Gopher fans to say a negative word about the almighty Bo.

Siyani Chambers offer list (per Rivals)
Harvard
Boston U
Central Michigan
Saint Louis
UC Davis
UC Irvine

Charles Buggs offer list (per rivals)
Minnesota
Arkansas
Charlotte
Clemson
Marquette
Santa Clara
Seton Hall
West Virginia

Wally Ellenson offer list (per rivals)
Minnesota
Cal Poly
Dayton
Duquesne
Green Bay
holy Cross
Wisconsin Milwuakee
Nebraska
Northern Illinois
Oklahoma State
Saint Louis
Illinois - Chicago
Utah
West Virginia

Damn you Tubby for signing two kids with multiple BCS offers over someone with not a single BCS offer just because he is from Minnesota! Fire Tubby!

(For the record, I am sure Chambers will be a very good player, but I am not going to blast Tubby for not going after a kid with zero BCS offers just because he is from MN)
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Offer list aside, he filled a need the Gophers really need, they still weren't interested. Guys like Jett are a poor mans Andre Hollins, Chambers is nothing like that, may not be the most athletic, or the best scorer, but he will always make everybody else on the court better. Because of a lack of scholerships I understand not offering him, but I doubt they ever would have offered, that puzzles me.
 

THE SCOUT! said:
Listen goofball I said he has signed not on the roster. You are one of these jokers who think wolters could not play here. I am THE SCOUT! nuff said!
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Wolters is a very good player but I'm a guy that believes more in the right situation compared to guaranteed success. Would Peyton manning have been as good if he went to Cleveland? Maybe? Maybe he becomes another 1st round pick that fails for the browns?
i remember coaching against tech and talking to several local colleges that really didn't think wolters had the overall skill set to play any level of d1. Give credit to a good kid with a good work ethic, he busted his ass during the non season to become a very good basketball player. Could he have had success at Minnesota? Probably, would he be the same player he is now? I doubt it
 

Siyani was considered a mid-major prospect out of high school, and i watched him play a couple of times, and didn't think he had the combination of size/speed necessary to play in the B1G. He would get eaten up by faster/bigger PGs at high-level D1. If he would have been offered by the U, it would have been a backup PG, without much opportunity to ever move into the starting position when he became an upperclassman. Given an opportunity to attend Harvard, and to start and get significant playing time across his four years, i think Siyani and the U made the right decision.

He's a solid player, and he'll do well at Harvard. But the U wasn't going to win a B1G championship with him starting at PG.
 


Chambers was a top 100 player on Rivals during his Junior year. The reason he dropped out of the rankings and off a lot of HM schools radars was/is because of Tyus Jones. He played second fiddle to Tyus on Pulley and when your JR and playing behind a freshman it doesnt look good! Knowing what we all know know about Tyus, its not that big of surprise that a top 100 kid would play second fiddle to the #1 HS PG in the world.

I think the Gophers miss on a lot of MN kids. The biggest Miss since Tubby has been here is either Alec Brown or Mike Muscala. Both wanted to be here and were told they weren't good enough. The NBA thinks differently. I don't care about their offer list!!!! What does it say about the evaluation skills of the staff, if they miss on kids that are right under their noses.

Believe it or not, I know what I am talking about. I could tell you some gopher recruiting stories that would make you cry!!!
 

Prep Insider said:
I think the Gophers miss on a lot of MN kids. The biggest Miss since Tubby has been here is either Alec Brown or Mike Muscala. Both wanted to be here and were told they weren't good enough. The NBA thinks differently. I don't care about their offer list!!!! What does it say about the evaluation skills of the staff, if they miss on kids that are right under their noses.
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What does it say about the evaluation skills of every AQ conference coaching staff in the country, since they all missed on these kids? Why do you single out Tubby and staff, when every...single...AQ coaching staff in the nation missed out on them too?

Prep Insider said:
I could tell you some gopher recruiting stories that would make you cry!!!
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So do it.
 

Prep Insider said:
The biggest Miss since Tubby has been here is either Alec Brown or Mike Muscala.
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I believe Alec Brown was in the same class as EE so I could see taking Brown over him. Muscala just had bad luck. The Gophers were already signing three forwards. Signing Muscala would have prevented the Gophers from getting Mbakwe, White, or Williams. I know looking back now, we'd take Muscala over White. But at the time, there's no way.

What does it say about the evaluation skills of the staff, if they miss on kids that are right under their noses.
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They're human? It's not an exact science? Wisconsin recruits MN pretty hard too and they didn't offer these guys as well.

And what about the players that were similar talents coming out of MN that didn't do very well at mid-majors? We don't seem to hear about the ones they were right about, only the ones they were wrong about.
 

dpodoll68 said:
What does it say about the evaluation skills of every AQ conference coaching staff in the country, since they all missed on these kids? Why do you single out Tubby and staff, when every...single...AQ coaching staff in the nation missed out on them too?


Are you serious? Its pretty simple, THEY ARE MN KIDS!!! What other D1 schools should know more about MN kids than the home state school. I bet if you ask any member of the gopher staff to name the top 10 kids in MN class of 2016 they couldn't, I am not confident that they could name the top 10 kids in 2015 or 2014. Its their job to know!!
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