SI: "...makes you wonder how long Smith can last at Minnesota"

[Whathavewedone]

Quite terribly, yes.



To say Smith has not advanced the Minnesota program during his tenure is a bald-faced lie. You are very good at conjuring those.



Yes, nine years later. This is my point.



I don't know you at all, but I have read far too many of your "thoughts" and I guarantee that I am much, much smarter than you.

your posts reveal quite the opposite, as does your narcissism.

 

[dpodoll68]

your narcissism

My narcissism? Ha! That's rich! What about the narcissism of an individual who trolls the website for a team he's not even a fan of so that he can feel vindication for the "failures" of his team's former coach? What can be more narcissistic than internalizing the relative successes and failures of a group of individuals that you have nothing to do with and going so far as to troll the website of your team's former coach and "enlightening" the fans about what he's really "all about". Who in the hell do you think you are?

 

[Blizzard]

My narcissism? Ha! That's rich! What about the narcissism of an individual who trolls the website for a team he's not even a fan of so that he can feel vindication for the "failures" of his team's former coach? What can be more narcissistic than internalizing the relative successes and failures of a group of individuals that you have nothing to do with and going so far as to troll the website of your team's former coach and "enlightening" the fans about what he's really "all about". Who in the hell do you think you are?

I occasionally have a man crush on you dpodoll68.

Well said!

 

[Hates Monikers]

I don't understand why Smith is even brought into the Weber conversation.

I'll tell you EXACTLY why Smith is in that conversation. Smith was PORTRAYED
as an elite coach of the level that would make the Gophers a Big 10 contender
and compete for FF's as Weber did. Weber has fallen far from that level,
he is rightly under fire. Smith hasn't come close to approaching that level, and
given NO indication he's capable of doing so, he's rightly under fire.

I had already started reading your rants for entertainment purposes only, not insight or information. But to say that "Smith hasn't come close to approaching that level, and
given NO indication he's capable of doing so" is simply idiotic. He had the Gophers near the top 10 after winning a pretty good Puerty Rico tournament just last season, before injuries and defections derailed the season.

Did the season end well? No. Is Tubby responsible? At least partly, for sure. Was he "close" to making the Gophers a Big Ten contender, or give "an indication that he's capable of it?" Absolutely.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

Another day on Gopher Hole

TUBBY IS GREAT ............................(no middle ground)..............................................TUBBY STINKS.

Whether it's sports or politics, it just seems as if every discussion/argument ricochets back and forth between two extremes. In reality, the truth in most things can be found somewhere in the middle.

Some people on this board want to give Tubby all the credit for victories, and no responsibility for any losses. Other people blame Tubby for everything that goes wrong, and give him no credit for anything positive.

Yes, Tubby had dealt with problems that were beyond his control (injuries). He has also dealt with problems that are (at least partially) under his control (transfers, substitution patterns, style of play).

Are the Gophers better off than they were under Munson? I would say yes, but not by a wide margin.

Did fans/the media expect more from Tubby? A definite Yes.

Do you have faith that things are going to get better under Tubby? I would have to say No. I just don't see enough progress in recruiting, and I just don't share the view of some that the younger players on this team are going to take a significant step forward next year. If I had to bet my own money, I would bet that the Gophs will have a very similar season - a little below .500 in B1G play, and a bubble team for the NCAA tournament.

I would like to be more optimistic, but I just don't see it. Sorry.

 

[dpodoll68]

Another day on Gopher Hole

TUBBY IS GREAT ............................(no middle ground)..............................................TUBBY STINKS.

Whether it's sports or politics, it just seems as if every discussion/argument ricochets back and forth between two extremes. In reality, the truth in most things can be found somewhere in the middle.

Some people on this board want to give Tubby all the credit for victories, and no responsibility for any losses. Other people blame Tubby for everything that goes wrong, and give him no credit for anything positive.

Yes, Tubby had dealt with problems that were beyond his control (injuries). He has also dealt with problems that are (at least partially) under his control (transfers, substitution patterns, style of play).

Are the Gophers better off than they were under Munson? I would say yes, but not by a wide margin.

Did fans/the media expect more from Tubby? A definite Yes.

Do you have faith that things are going to get better under Tubby? I would have to say No. I just don't see enough progress in recruiting, and I just don't share the view of some that the younger players on this team are going to take a significant step forward next year. If I had to bet my own money, I would bet that the Gophs will have a very similar season - a little below .500 in B1G play, and a bubble team for the NCAA tournament.

I would like to be more optimistic, but I just don't see it. Sorry.

There is a great deal of irony in you complaining about the alleged polarization of the fanbase while at the same time throwing blanket statements on all Tubby supporters. I invite and encourage you to find any of my posts wherein I've called Tubby or his performance "great" (or any other reasonable facsimile) while at Minnesota. I'm not 100% certain, but I'm fairly confident you won't find those labels applied either to Tubby or his performance while at Minnesota by any other posters either.

 

[Parski1]

And bunnies and kitties and sugar plums and pretty flying ponies are all coming to my birthday party.

So you will be what? Eight. Explains all your 3rd grade Tubby comments.

 

[GoodasGold]

My narcissism? Ha! That's rich! What about the narcissism of an individual who trolls the website for a team he's not even a fan of so that he can feel vindication for the "failures" of his team's former coach? What can be more narcissistic than internalizing the relative successes and failures of a group of individuals that you have nothing to do with and going so far as to troll the website of your team's former coach and "enlightening" the fans about what he's really "all about". Who in the hell do you think you are?

Uh...Narcissus?

 

[Hates Monikers]

There is a great deal of irony in you complaining about the alleged polarization of the fanbase while at the same time throwing blanket statements on all Tubby supporters. I invite and encourage you to find any of my posts wherein I've called Tubby or his performance "great" (or any other reasonable facsimile) while at Minnesota. I'm not 100% certain, but I'm fairly confident you won't find those labels applied either to Tubby or his performance while at Minnesota by any other posters either.

I pretty much agree with this. There are a handful on both ends of the spectrrum who are tiresome, but I think most people feel like we're sort of in no man's land: recognize that he started out strong and had some problems that cannot all be attributed to him, but certainly not where we want to be and placing more of the responsibility on Tubby. Even many of those who are ready to pull the plug understand that now may not be the best time. Those who are bothered by the state of the board must not have been here for the end of the Monson or Brewster tenures.

The tipping point will come next year.

 

[howieramone]

Balance of classes.

The basketball team is experiencing something very similar to what the football team did this year, and both likely will next year; for slightly different reasons, both teams/programs have a disproportionate number of players in the upper classes.

RSIII was the only active senior to play the BT season. The only Juniors are Rodney and a couple of JuCo's (one who plays very sparingly). That is a tough obstacle to overcome. You end up playing way too many players who aren't ready to play. You need a good mix of upper and lower classmen. To that point, I'm VERY glad that both EE and Oto were able to redshirt. Hopefully it's a trend that continues.

That being said, this team has also displayed way too many stretches of play where they just don't seem to be very well coached. That's frustrating, regardless of the pedigree of the coach.

+1

 

[howieramone]

Another day on Gopher Hole

TUBBY IS GREAT ............................(no middle ground)..............................................TUBBY STINKS.

Whether it's sports or politics, it just seems as if every discussion/argument ricochets back and forth between two extremes. In reality, the truth in most things can be found somewhere in the middle.

Some people on this board want to give Tubby all the credit for victories, and no responsibility for any losses. Other people blame Tubby for everything that goes wrong, and give him no credit for anything positive.

Yes, Tubby had dealt with problems that were beyond his control (injuries). He has also dealt with problems that are (at least partially) under his control (transfers, substitution patterns, style of play).

Are the Gophers better off than they were under Munson? I would say yes, but not by a wide margin.

Did fans/the media expect more from Tubby? A definite Yes.

Do you have faith that things are going to get better under Tubby? I would have to say No. I just don't see enough progress in recruiting, and I just don't share the view of some that the younger players on this team are going to take a significant step forward next year. If I had to bet my own money, I would bet that the Gophs will have a very similar season - a little below .500 in B1G play, and a bubble team for the NCAA tournament.

I would like to be more optimistic, but I just don't see it. Sorry.

Fellow Son of Norway, Bobby Knight and I both believe EE has an NBA future. I think Dre may be better. Did you see the threads on Buggs? Looks like a solid B1G player, in fact all Fall recruits have been solid. The big leap is between the freshman and sophomore seasons. I can't help but be optimistic. That said, no more excuses, time to win.

 

[howieramone]

I pretty much agree with this. There are a handful on both ends of the spectrrum who are tiresome, but I think most people feel like we're sort of in no man's land: recognize that he started out strong and had some problems that cannot all be attributed to him, but certainly not where we want to be and placing more of the responsibility on Tubby. Even many of those who are ready to pull the plug understand that now may not be the best time. Those who are bothered by the state of the board must not have been here for the end of the Monson or Brewster tenures.

The tipping point will come next year.

I wasn't. When the football side of the house was screaming for Kill's head after 3 or 4 games it scared me off for several months. Many were the lunatic fringe, but also a number of posters I've since learned to respect. I believe the light at the end of the tunnel is our sophomore class to be. Feel we can ride this group to the dance for the next 3 years. Even my patience wears thin, no more excuses, time to win.

 

[GoodasGold]

Another day on Gopher Hole

TUBBY IS GREAT ............................(no middle ground)..............................................TUBBY STINKS.

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[short ornery norwegian]

There is a great deal of irony in you complaining about the alleged polarization of the fanbase while at the same time throwing blanket statements on all Tubby supporters. I invite and encourage you to find any of my posts wherein I've called Tubby or his performance "great" (or any other reasonable facsimile) while at Minnesota. I'm not 100% certain, but I'm fairly confident you won't find those labels applied either to Tubby or his performance while at Minnesota by any other posters either.

For the record - I did NOT mention you by name in my post. I did NOT quote you in my post. And yet, you immediately assume that I was talking about you. Well, Copernicus, I have news for you. You are not the center of the universe, and everything is not about you. You do the same thing on the FB board - trying to make everything about you, and attacking anyone who does not agree with you. Get a freakin' life.

 

[dpodoll68]

For the record - I did NOT mention you by name in my post. I did NOT quote you in my post. And yet, you immediately assume that I was talking about you. Well, Copernicus, I have news for you. You are not the center of the universe, and everything is not about you. You do the same thing on the FB board - trying to make everything about you, and attacking anyone who does not agree with you. Get a freakin' life.

Where did I say you were talking about me exclusively? Your original quote:

TUBBY IS GREAT ............................(no middle ground)..............................................TUBBY STINKS.

Whether it's sports or politics, it just seems as if every discussion/argument ricochets back and forth between two extremes.

You are saying that there is no middle ground. You are speaking to all Tubby supporters and to all Tubby haters. I am a Tubby supporter, so whether you can comprehend it or not, you WERE talking to me. You implicitly stated that everyone is either a blind Tubby supporter or a blind Tubby hater. The fact that I am neither disproves the statement. The fact that many others are neither (as I stated in the post you quoted) further disproves the statement.

If you're going to throw out blanket statements, expect to be called out for it. You'd also be wise to not make assumptions based on your own faulty interpretation of someone else's words. Get a freakin' clue.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

You are saying that there is no middle ground. You are speaking to all Tubby supporters and to all Tubby haters. I am a Tubby supporter, so whether you can comprehend it or not, you WERE talking to me. You implicitly stated that everyone is either a blind Tubby supporter or a blind Tubby hater.
.

From my original post: "Some people on this board want to give Tubby all the credit for victories, and no responsibility for any losses." Some - not all. If I meant all, I would have said all. There are people on this board who are capable of understanding nuance, or recognizing grey areas. That was the point of my post - that I would prefer more people to look at the bigger picture. It's not all black or white. Sometimes the glass really is half-full.

Now who is "making assumptions based on (their) own faulty interpretation of someone else's words."

 

[Deleted_User]

6-12 records obviously aren't going to get it done long term, but I really think we have been right on the cusp of finishing in the upper half of the Big Ten more often than not under Tubby.

Maybe he will prove me completely wrong, but I think within the next season or so he will lead us to a top four finish (or better) in conference. He is too good a coach not to .

On the cusp? Next season or so? Lead us to a top four finish? Is this what life has taught you? More muddled thinking and a clear example why GH is ridiculed on the outside. I hope the team is coached better than to accept low expectations. 6 and 12 two years running. Minnie has the same risk profile as every NCAA team. Injuries, transfers, and dismissals are universal risks. The outcome is known and incontrovertible. Smith's teams have had no progress over two years and next years teams can only be speculated to be better. Any coach should be very concerned with this result.

Optimism is admirable in contexts where it can influence an outcome. Fear can also be an appropriate motivator. Time to put some fear in Tubby. Perform or perish - now!

 

[kix4kix]

Both the Gophers and Notre Dame received exactly one 25th place vote in a poll to start the season (Gophers in the AP, Notre Dame in the coaches). Both teams lost their best player for the year, a senior power forward, early in the season (like Mbakwe for the Gophers, Tim Abromaitis led the team in both scoring and rebounding when he went down). Neither team had any kind of real impact freshman coming in, so post-injury both schools looked to be in trouble. But, where the Gophers have struggled and floundered and canceled out any flashes of brilliance with some terrible outings, Notre Dame has played together, executed well consistently, and completely bought in to Mike Brey's system and is 20-10 overall, 12-5 in the Big East, and a lock for the tournament. Look at these two teams. It's hard to say Notre Dame is significantly more talented, if at all, than the Gophers, and yet look at the results. Unsettling, at best.

Big Ten > Big East

 

[Gopher Warrior]

Big Ten > Big East

Yet somehow the Big East will probably have 9/16 teams in the tourney while the best conference in basketball puts in only 6/12.

 

[tubbyluv]

I hope we give Tubby a VERY long contract extension soon. We need to lock up our great coach so that he doesn't get hired away from us by another school!