Oh ecosport, hope you are well!!!
Do we really know that we are far behind other Power 5 teams? I hear about the rare outliers but I guess I honestly haven't heard if the Wisconsins and Iowas of the world are doing things appreciably different. Any insights?
Well, we know for certain while the blue bloods were busy manipulating the new rules, mn was still saying “ we can’t because “.
I tried, BB. Just looking for fact vs. perception on NIL. As far as we know, the Gophers are offering HUGE NIL but the 'cruits are still saying NO. They sure aren't going to publicize that! Interestingly, that factoid would suit your narrative that Gopher basketball is a lost cause under the current regime better. I will check in with you again the next time I turn off the ignore feature!
If you actually think BB wants the gophers to fail, then you completely misunderstand his entire point of view. MN has not been winning, and it has now been decades since we won anything meaningful. Blue bloods win, that's why they are blue bloods. All BB did was point out the obvious.
No... BB and others do not want the Gophers to fail. They have just made it very clear that they have no patience for building a program step by step from the ground up. If the Ws aren't there in year one, it is seen as a failure. They think that throwing a bunch of someone else's money around at a new coach will lead us to the promised land. Ain't gonna happen unless some rich benefactors suddenly take a fancy in the U.
Well, I have attended a ton of games since the early 90’s. And followed since the late 70’s. Was at The Barn when the FF team returned from the Elite 8. So been on board for damn near 50 years. Seen a lot. Spent a lot. Time and $$.
You and I are very similar. My earliest sports memories were the Vikings Super Bowl losses. But my earliest positive sports memory was the 1982 Big Ten Championship. I also crammed myself into the Barn in 1997 to welcome the team back home! I have spent a chunk of change over the years in season tickets.Well, I have attended a ton of games since the early 90’s. And followed since the late 70’s. Was at The Barn when the FF team returned from the Elite 8. So been on board for damn near 50 years. Seen a lot. Spent a lot. Time and $$.
Sure, I have no patience for program building.
Apologies (also for the late response), my post was very lazily and poorly worded at the end.
So, you have no patience for program building. We’re similar.
You are correct regarding how it plays out.
You know that it can be done the way UW did it. That is pretty damn impressive. Or even better, do it the way UVA did it in building a true national power. High character, detailed scouting, extraordinary work, defense, chemistry, championships. First is the foundation. That takes time.
UVA had the #12 ranked overall class for 2022, and signed four 4* players. https://247sports.com/college/virginia/Season/2022-Basketball/Commits/
I’m not sure you are interpreting what Built is saying. Tony Bennett’s first few years were 6-9 in conference and right at about .500 overall. It wasn’t until year three when they started to move forward a bit. A build takes time, Ben has had one year. Will he have the same trajectory, time will tell. I think NIL might affect the timeframe but we shall see.
Sure. That's fine.
Jerome was in the 200's when offered. Hunter high 90's, Guy around 50. Services on elevated that class after commits . He was way ahead on evals.To build it Harris was in the 135 range, Atkins etc 200's and Brogdon around 90. That group won ACC titles and again were evaluated and developed really well and played legendary defense. Even if i was accepting of some service and their evaluations it got out performed by a title. Hoosiers was not that big a upset if you read Greg Guffey's greatest basketball story ever told they were fantastic the year before. The movie invented OLLIE, the brawl, Chitwood as Bobby Plump , Hackmans age. Marvin Wood was 24 ! The real story was even better. Many of Milans players went on to play college basketball. What UVA has done is textbook building. Never cut corners, only high character, defense and precision. That has turned the conference over despite Duke having far higher ranked recruits. He knew he was never going to out recruit blue bloods so he found another way. Better scouting, better development, more experience, intangibles. That takes time and work. This staff admires everything about that program and models themselves in that way. That is such a good thing.
Correct. UVA to the credit of Bennett, built a nice winning brand in what is now another era of college basketball. Building it that way from the ground up, even though it is the right way...just got more difficult.
Of course everyone wants to scout better, develop better and that is why hiring the right staff is the critical piece because only certain coaches possess these gifts. Time will tell if we have done that. ONLY CERTAINTY is we have not done it in the past.
No doubt that it got more difficult but i would not bet against him. There are certain recruits attracted to what he does, what he stands for and who he is. Think he will continue to have success. Great coaches build and then win. UW and even more so UVA did it and we can do that here.
That class (2016) of 4 players was 6th in the nation by the 247, with guys ranked 37 (guy), 44 (Jerome), 57 (huff) and 91 (hunter), all of whom were 3 years into the system by the championship year. It’s also pretty well established that ranking sites like 247 are influenced by and a bit behind the coaches. The lone 2015 signee on that roster was Diakite, ranked 32nd. Personally, I’d say that an assemblage of similar rankings should have championship aspirations if they all hang around as upper classmen.
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That was my point about scouting. They were under ranked before the Bennett offers. Jerome is the example of how poor his offer list was. The rankings you give were all after the fact. 247 bumped them up way after the Bennett evals. That is the pre scouting and scouting they excel at. Then there is the beauty of development. including the Hunter red shirt. Then the extraordinary buy in on defense. There are enough really good players but few great coaches.
How's that saying go? Haters gotta hate or something like that. Self know's how to coach. Hell his best player last year was a 3* coming out of high school. I think he was somewhere is the 300's. Kalscheur was rated higher.