Shooter: Gophers/Vikings begin talks to determine a field heating system

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GopherinPhilly said:
Seems to me that if the U doesn't want the coils long term and the Vikes/NFL want them because they work better (No sure they do) then the U could require the Vikes to pay to uninstall them after the two years.

I don't agree with the Vikes can do anything they have a contract line, they U owns the building and land and the Vikes aren't going to be doing anything without their approval and agreement.

I suspect that the U will be willing to go either way, just as long as the long term impact after the two seasons is taken care of by the Vikes...ie uninstall whatever you install.
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Why would the U want to uninstall heating coils? Makes no sense.
 


In regards to the point about whether the U will want to deal with the potential headache of maintaining a coil system for years in the future, I can see the validity in that argument. However, is there any recruiting advantage with this system compared to other cold weather schools?
 


The cost of heating natural grass surfaces in cold weather cities is expensive because they run them all winter to keep the soil at a reasonable temperature. We would only need to heat the surface occasionally and so it wouldn't have to be very energy efficient. Couldn't they just use an electrical system like you might have in a garage or porch floor? No maintenance required.
 



SKOOKM said:
The cost of heating natural grass surfaces in cold weather cities is expensive because they run them all winter to keep the soil at a reasonable temperature. We would only need to heat the surface occasionally and so it wouldn't have to be very energy efficient. Couldn't they just use an electrical system like you might have in a garage or porch floor? No maintenance required.
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Ya, let's sing the Minnesota Rouser when players get electrocuted because of a faulty wire!!!
 

Ya, let's sing the Minnesota Rouser when players get electrocuted because of a faulty wire!!!
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We'll use it to our advantage by giving our guys have electrically insulating uniforms. "Badgers shocked as amped up Gophers dominate"
 

If you don't want to use it, suck out the antifreeze. No big deal. This is not a Mars rover we are talking about.
 



station19 said:
If you don't want to use it, suck out the antifreeze. No big deal. This is not a Mars rover we are talking about.
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Exactly winterize it the same way you do an in ground sprinkler system blow it out with compressed air. Like others have said don't compare the cost too those of keeping a natural grass field alive.
 

station19 said:
If you don't want to use it, suck out the antifreeze. No big deal. This is not a Mars rover we are talking about.
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Your expertise on turf field heating systems is remarkable. I'm sure the 3 miles of piping that is installed under the field isn't an issue for other field maintenance, the glycol pumps, boilers, et al. will be easy to work around for the next 15 years and won't cause any issues. Then, when we replace the turf we can pay to have the system we haven't used in 15 years removed. OR we could have the Vikes pay to remove it when they pay to replace the turf after they leave in 2 years.

These systems are underground, they sit 6 inches below the field turf and increase all maintenance cost whether you use them or not. Mark this down, if the Gophers aren't going to keep using the system after the Vikes leave, they will uninstall it...I just want them to make sure they have the Vikes pay for it.
 

Dr.Don said:
Philly...uninstall the heating coils makes plenty of sense??? Horse sense, maybe, and that would be it. I'm with station19 on this question.
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Don, you can sit with 19 and play tittlywinks if you want...but do some research and you will see that uninstalling it is going to be necessary if we aren't going to be using it after the Vikes leave. These systems are big, complicated and they cause other maintenance issues to be more difficult and expensive.
 

GopherinPhilly said:
Your expertise on turf field heating systems is remarkable. I'm sure the 3 miles of piping that is installed under the field isn't an issue for other field maintenance, the glycol pumps, boilers, et al. will be easy to work around for the next 15 years and won't cause any issues. Then, when we replace the turf we can pay to have the system we haven't used in 15 years removed. OR we could have the Vikes pay to remove it when they pay to replace the turf after they leave in 2 years.

These systems are underground, they sit 6 inches below the field turf and increase all maintenance cost whether you use them or not. Mark this down, if the Gophers aren't going to keep using the system after the Vikes leave, they will uninstall it...I just want them to make sure they have the Vikes pay for it.
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Who'd have thunk?
 



GopherinPhilly said:
Don, you can sit with 19 and play tittlywinks if you want...but do some research and you will see that uninstalling it is going to be necessary if we aren't going to be using it after the Vikes leave. These systems are big, complicated and they cause other maintenance issues to be more difficult and expensive.
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Thank you Minnesota politicians this could have all been avoided if you would have kept the dome up until a new stadium was built somewhere else. Pathetic.
 

4four4 said:
Thank you Minnesota politicians this could have all been avoided if you would have kept the dome up until a new stadium was built somewhere else. Pathetic.
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I don't see how this is in any way a bad thing for the U.
 


4four4 said:
Thank you Minnesota politicians this could have all been avoided if you would have kept the dome up until a new stadium was built somewhere else. Pathetic.
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I don't think glycol-heating coil systems used anywhere where Field Turf is featured. It's for grass. Maybe I'm wrong.

With Field Turf, heating the field is about moisture removal and prevention. Keep it covered and heated, don't let precipitation accumulate, and use the heat to evaporate ambient moisture. Field should be fine. What happened in 2010 was the result of moisture accumulation from the end of the Gophers' season until the Viking game was played. A little preventative maintenance would solve all those problems.

I think more money should be put into protecting the concourses from cold than anything else.

Don't see a reason for the coils at all, and I'm no Wilf fan.

Also, the Vikings might be playing only one home game after Thanksgiving anyway. I think they are going to play the London home game in December as well.
 

Doing some concourse improvements would go a long way to improve the experience. I know there are heaters in the restrooms, but I'm not sure I've seen much of heat production in the concourse. That area is also not designed in a way to be effectively efficient in retaining heat, but I'm sure there are some ways to keep it warmer in there.
 

Every NFL team has two designated home games in December. The 2014 London games have already been determined. The Jaguars will host the Cowboys, the Falcons will host the Lions, and the Raiders will host the Dolphins. You never know about 2015, but 2014 is off the table for the Vikings and London. Expect two Vikes games at The Bank in December of 2014.
 

Sports_Realist said:
Every NFL team has two designated home games in December. The 2014 London games have already been determined. The Jaguars will host the Cowboys, the Falcons will host the Lions, and the Raiders will host the Dolphins. You never know about 2015, but 2014 is off the table for the Vikings and London. Expect two Vikes games at The Bank in December of 2014.
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And there is always the chance of a playoff game.
 

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