Shooter: Gophers' NIL budget this season —lowest in the Big Ten — was in the $700,000 range, of which Dawson Garcia got $500,000.

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MaxyJR1 said:
WCCO story last night. "U of M students reported around $245,000 in NIL earnings last year."

So a small number of students reported their earnings.


Biggest thing I took from the story that leaves me optimistic.

At the Power conference level the talent gap isn't big enough to make a $6M team that different from a $3M team with the transfer portal. There are only so many spots to transfer to.

However Niko said the NIL portion will be the difference.
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If the program gets upgraded and players become well known, there will be businesses that can make a rational decision to hire players to pitch their products. It won’t happen if they are asking people to pony up real NIL without any assurances it’s going to benefit their business.
 

ShushPush said:
The imposition of NIL compensation caps by collectives constitutes a direct affront to the principles of free market competition and athlete autonomy. By attempting to standardize limits for each school, collectives are engaging in practices that echo the antitrust violations previously condemned by the Supreme Court in NCAA v. Alston. This artificial restriction not only curtails the earning potential of student-athletes but also consolidates control within an opaque system that undermines the very freedom that NIL reforms were intended to secure.

Such behavior by collectives is an alarming replication of the NCAA’s restraint on trade, merely repackaged under a new guise. These caps represent a coordinated effort to suppress market forces, effectively disempowering athletes and perpetuating inequality in a landscape that should prioritize opportunity and fairness. Furthermore, these practices expose the system to potential legal challenges, as they starkly conflict with the spirit of the Supreme Court’s ruling and broader antitrust principles.

To address these issues, an independent framework is urgently needed—one that operates transparently, ensures equitable NIL opportunities, and preserves the independence of student-athletes from institutional or collective overreach. The establishment of such a system would safeguard the integrity of the NIL ecosystem and reaffirm the rights of athletes to negotiate their value without interference.
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But can agents still make gobs of obscene money exploiting representing student athletes, most of which have little to no financial literacy or experience with which to draw? :cool:
 

ShushPush said:
The imposition of NIL compensation caps by collectives constitutes a direct affront to the principles of free market competition and athlete autonomy. By attempting to standardize limits for each school, collectives are engaging in practices that echo the antitrust violations previously condemned by the Supreme Court in NCAA v. Alston. This artificial restriction not only curtails the earning potential of student-athletes but also consolidates control within an opaque system that undermines the very freedom that NIL reforms were intended to secure.

Such behavior by collectives is an alarming replication of the NCAA’s restraint on trade, merely repackaged under a new guise. These caps represent a coordinated effort to suppress market forces, effectively disempowering athletes and perpetuating inequality in a landscape that should prioritize opportunity and fairness. Furthermore, these practices expose the system to potential legal challenges, as they starkly conflict with the spirit of the Supreme Court’s ruling and broader antitrust principles.

To address these issues, an independent framework is urgently needed—one that operates transparently, ensures equitable NIL opportunities, and preserves the independence of student-athletes from institutional or collective overreach. The establishment of such a system would safeguard the integrity of the NIL ecosystem and reaffirm the rights of athletes to negotiate their value without interference.
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It actually doesn't do what you claim at all. I haven't seen (doesn't mean it doesn't exist) any rule that says if you sign with Dinkytown Athletes you can't go make your own deal with 3M. Maybe DTA does have that, so freaking what. Then go at it on your own. Be a grown-up, make your own deal and be sure you get all your friends and relatives in on the deal. I'm sure they'll have your back when its over.

And on the ladies side, quit whining when the prettiest girl gets the biggest pay out. Its the world you wanted.

This, of course isn't direct at any poster in particular, just whiny athletes.
 

ShushPush said:
The imposition of NIL compensation caps by collectives constitutes a direct affront to the principles of free market competition and athlete autonomy. By attempting to standardize limits for each school, collectives are engaging in practices that echo the antitrust violations previously condemned by the Supreme Court in NCAA v. Alston. This artificial restriction not only curtails the earning potential of student-athletes but also consolidates control within an opaque system that undermines the very freedom that NIL reforms were intended to secure.

Such behavior by collectives is an alarming replication of the NCAA’s restraint on trade, merely repackaged under a new guise. These caps represent a coordinated effort to suppress market forces, effectively disempowering athletes and perpetuating inequality in a landscape that should prioritize opportunity and fairness. Furthermore, these practices expose the system to potential legal challenges, as they starkly conflict with the spirit of the Supreme Court’s ruling and broader antitrust principles.

To address these issues, an independent framework is urgently needed—one that operates transparently, ensures equitable NIL opportunities, and preserves the independence of student-athletes from institutional or collective overreach. The establishment of such a system would safeguard the integrity of the NIL ecosystem and reaffirm the rights of athletes to negotiate their value without interference.
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There comes a point at which you kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Settling for some restraint can actually preserve the future for these young men. Pro sports ended up with salary caps for this same reason. It creates a competitive league. Without that the players eventually become worth less.
 

I can’t get my head around how we could have possibly managed it so poorly on the basketball side, but PJ seems to play the portal like an absolute genius? This number for hoops seems impossible.
 


Gopherchase said:
I can’t get my head around how we could have possibly managed it so poorly on the basketball side, but PJ seems to play the portal like an absolute genius? This number for hoops seems impossible.
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Ben could have paid them more out of pocket!
 

Sparlimb said:
It actually doesn't do what you claim at all. I haven't seen (doesn't mean it doesn't exist) any rule that says if you sign with Dinkytown Athletes you can't go make your own deal with 3M. Maybe DTA does have that, so freaking what. Then go at it on your own. Be a grown-up, make your own deal and be sure you get all your friends and relatives in on the deal. I'm sure they'll have your back when its over.

And on the ladies side, quit whining when the prettiest girl gets the biggest pay out. Its the world you wanted.

This, of course isn't direct at any poster in particular, just whiny athletes.
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Whiny athletes. You finally revealed your pet peeve that drives so many of your posts. That is relatable but mostly pathetic. I would love Minnesota getting their own version of Olivia Dunn that strikes it huge. We all know she is nothing, but the beauty queen packaged as a gymnast. Who cares? She is making huge cake off it. Americans love beauty and grace. As it stands right now, at the NCAA gymnastics finals, the arena was mostly empty. Where is the draw? As a promoter, give me an Oliva Dunn and I will have that stadium packed with cheering supporters. Sports should draw people to the drama. If there is no drama, it must be manufactured. There must be a narrative that people are attracted to. Whiny athletes are like a basic play for attention. We can advance that to immortality with the right marketing folks.
 

ShushPush said:
I have said this for a while: Coyle was unprepared for the NIL before, during and after. He is still trying to catch up to what the rest of the country knew and dealt with. His apologists on this board will defend his inaction as being an articulate and powerful leadership style. I will say it again. Coyle is a stuffed shirt. I've dealt with guys like him before. He can glad hand with the best of them but nothing beyond. I want Coyle replaced with someone with fire in their veins and the capacity to sniff out money like a coon dog. Racoon dog for you weirdos with an agenda.
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This would be the first time anyone described Coyle as articulate. He struggles at public speaking.
 
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This would be the first time anyone prescribed Coyle as articulate. He struggles at public speaking.
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Good thing I didn't describe him as articulate.
 



If this doesn't make you finally question ALL of Shooter's tidbits now I don't know what will. This number is so clearly incorrect it boggles the mind that he published it so unquestioningly.
 

Holy Man said:
If the program gets upgraded and players become well known, there will be businesses that can make a rational decision to hire players to pitch their products. It won’t happen if they are asking people to pony up real NIL without any assurances it’s going to benefit their business.
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I think that revenue sharing will lead to decreased NIL contributions over time. The Gophers already didn't have a fanbase that was enthusiastic about making donations to college athletes. Now that players are sharing revenue, there will be even less motivation. Also, supposedly the NCAA is putting together a task force, spearheaded by one of the top accounting firms, to put together a regulatory framework to ensure that NIL funds are for legitimate NIL services, not just pay to play. You can look at Caitlin Clark as a clear example of a legitimate NIL recipient but how many college athletes can you say that about?
 

I don't understand how people can give BEN a pass on NIL. We are low in NIL because he couldn't cast a vision with the players and the business leaders in the community of building a dominant MBB program with MN born or raised players.

The coach needs to be the programs biggest vision caster. Coaching is important, but being a vision caster is job one (recruiting and NIL are the lifeblood of a program).
 

gophernut1 said:
I don't understand how people can give BEN a pass on NIL. We are low in NIL because he couldn't cast a vision with the players and the business leaders in the community of building a dominant MBB program with MN born or raised players.

The coach needs to be the programs biggest vision caster. Coaching is important, but being a vision caster is job one (recruiting and NIL are the lifeblood of a program).
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Vision caster is great, but I'll take a telecaster please.
 

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gophernut1 said:
I don't understand how people can give BEN a pass on NIL. We are low in NIL because he couldn't cast a vision with the players and the business leaders in the community of building a dominant MBB program with MN born or raised players.

The coach needs to be the programs biggest vision caster. Coaching is important, but being a vision caster is job one (recruiting and NIL are the lifeblood of a program).
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Shortly after he was hired, during the flurry of interviews that go with the announcement of a new coach...he stated the most important thing he looked for in recruiting was shooting. Then it went to toughness and then our 9 and 11 winning culture.
If shooting is your #1 priority and you finish bottom 5 in free throw shooting out of 350 plus schools...well, maybe you are not so good at this coaching thing.
 


The point of this discussion is this: If you fail to support a rookie coach that coach will fail miserably as happened here. That's foolishness both in the hire and the support. Now if you fail to support an accomplished coach, he will not accomplish what is possible. That's the warning.

I hope Ben gets a fair shake somewhere else where he can compete on an even playing field. I hope we learn our lesson and give Niko all the tools he needs. He's a good one.
 

ShushPush said:
Whiny athletes. You finally revealed your pet peeve that drives so many of your posts. That is relatable but mostly pathetic. I would love Minnesota getting their own version of Olivia Dunn that strikes it huge. We all know she is nothing, but the beauty queen packaged as a gymnast. Who cares? She is making huge cake off it. Americans love beauty and grace. As it stands right now, at the NCAA gymnastics finals, the arena was mostly empty. Where is the draw? As a promoter, give me an Oliva Dunn and I will have that stadium packed with cheering supporters. Sports should draw people to the drama. If there is no drama, it must be manufactured. There must be a narrative that people are attracted to. Whiny athletes are like a basic play for attention. We can advance that to immortality with the right marketing folks.
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Who?
 

TwistingMyMelon said:
I think that revenue sharing will lead to decreased NIL contributions over time. The Gophers already didn't have a fanbase that was enthusiastic about making donations to college athletes. Now that players are sharing revenue, there will be even less motivation. Also, supposedly the NCAA is putting together a task force, spearheaded by one of the top accounting firms, to put together a regulatory framework to ensure that NIL funds are for legitimate NIL services, not just pay to play. You can look at Caitlin Clark as a clear example of a legitimate NIL recipient but how many college athletes can you say that about?
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Not many. Cooper Flagg?
 



Holy Man said:
If the program gets upgraded and players become well known, there will be businesses that can make a rational decision to hire players to pitch their products. It won’t happen if they are asking people to pony up real NIL without any assurances it’s going to benefit their business.
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Really? You must not be aware of all the car dealership in the south that have been dishing out money for decades. They are called boosters and it has everything to do about wins and nothing to do about increasing their companies revenue. NIL is just the method used to bring it out in the open.
 


Holy Man said:
If the program gets upgraded and players become well known, there will be businesses that can make a rational decision to hire players to pitch their products. It won’t happen if they are asking people to pony up real NIL without any assurances it’s going to benefit their business.
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This has nothing to do with benefitting business. It has to do with buying success for someone's favorite team.
 

alchemy2u said:
Really? You must not be aware of all the car dealership in the south that have been dishing out money for decades. They are called boosters and it has everything to do about wins and nothing to do about increasing their companies revenue. NIL is just the method used to bring it out in the open.
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Yes, but word is that the NCAA has assembled a task force to reduce that sort of thing and provide rules to determine the legitimate business interest of NIL payments now that revenue sharing has kicked in.
 

Sure but how can they prove that big man on campus driving around in the free Porsche isn't essentially providing advertising without actually ever doing a commercial or being on a billboard? The premise sounds great but the NCAA was neutered years ago. At this point I think they would lose a court case where a player is physically handed a bag of cash.
 

disco said:
Only one of the highest paid NCAA athletes of the NIL era. You want to discuss the topic, come prepared.
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Owe. La de dah. Say I’m old fashioned…Say I’m over the hill. But I’m not sure NIL is an era.
 


TwistingMyMelon said:
I think that revenue sharing will lead to decreased NIL contributions over time. The Gophers already didn't have a fanbase that was enthusiastic about making donations to college athletes. Now that players are sharing revenue, there will be even less motivation. Also, supposedly the NCAA is putting together a task force, spearheaded by one of the top accounting firms, to put together a regulatory framework to ensure that NIL funds are for legitimate NIL services, not just pay to play. You can look at Caitlin Clark as a clear example of a legitimate NIL recipient but how many college athletes can you say that about?
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The NCAA is once again sticking its nose in to regulate what the supreme court clearly stated was collusion to restrain trade. This is another artifice to go around what the court said they ruled against. Pay from commercial sources is not the jurisdiction of the schools. The majority opinion ruled on that and commented on that specifically in NCAA vs. Alford. Do you know who has jurisdiction over the legitimacy of NIL services? The Internal Revenue Service. Nobody else.
 

Pete Najarian said on Danny B’s show that Ben had to coach with both hands tied behind his back. I can promise everyone that the Poor Ben narrative has crossed over to ‘fact’.
 

Spaulding!No! said:
Pete Najarian said on Danny B’s show that Ben had to coach with both hands tied behind his back. I can promise everyone that the Poor Ben narrative has crossed over to ‘fact’.
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Must be tons of schools lined up to hire him then... oh wait. Did he explain what "both hands tied behind his back" actually meant?
 

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