Shooter: Gophers expect Mo Walker to "receive a medical red shirt year"

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Maybe they will get a unicorn and the lochness monster, too. Those don't exist in real life, either.
 

If Bleed, Blizzard, Shooter, Chris, GL says the possibility exists, I happen to go with them. Eat the big green Weenie, GopherWarrior


— The Gophers men's basketball team expects to receive a medical redshirt year for 6-10, 289-pound freshman center Maurice Walker, who tore a knee ligament in December.
 

I don't think Gopher Warrior is trying to say that there's no chance Mo still has 4 years of eligibility left, just that "medical redshirt" is not the proper terminology. I remember when Mo's eligibility was being discussed on this board awhile back, it was said many times that there is no such thing as a medical redshirt. I belive it was called a hardship waiver?

Actually, when I saw the words "medical redshirt" in the title of this thread, I knew someone was going to say that there is no such thing as a medical redshirt.
 

Im not sure who to believe on whether or not the mystery of a med redshirt exists, the gopher staff or gopherwarrior...
 


Dr.Don said:
If Bleed, Blizzard, Shooter, Chris, GL says the possibility exists, I happen to go with them. Eat the big green Weenie, GopherWarrior
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Hah, thanks. I am correct on this topic, but everyone has the right to be wrong.
 

Cayman said:
Actually, when I saw the words "medical redshirt" in the title of this thread, I knew someone was going to say that there is no such thing as a medical redshirt.
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Yep, it was inevitable. First post too, pretty impressive lol. And it would be great if he gets it, whatever "it" is called.
 

maybe thats what they commonly refer to a hardship waiver as in the "biz" when its related to an injury to differentiate the two... thoughts?
 

The quote uses "medical redshirt", but some of us (warrior excluded) know that it means "medical hardship waiver". Get a *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ing grip...before you badmouth Bleed's opening post, make sure you are prepared for a "proctological hardship exemption" from Dr. Don.
 




Cayman said:
I don't think Gopher Warrior is trying to say that there's no chance Mo still has 4 years of eligibility left, just that "medical redshirt" is not the proper terminology. I remember when Mo's eligibility was being discussed on this board awhile back, it was said many times that there is no such thing as a medical redshirt. I belive it was called a hardship waiver?

Actually, when I saw the words "medical redshirt" in the title of this thread, I knew someone was going to say that there is no such thing as a medical redshirt.
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Just to be clear (as stated back in December), I am saying that not only is there no such thing as a medical redshirt, but also that Maurice Walker is not a candidate for a hardship waiver (which is what people are trying to describe when they say 'medical redshirt'). That is, he will only have a max of three more years of competition eligibility.

It's been awhile since a fun debate was had when it comes to the D1 Manual...

Gopher Warrior said:
The list was updated again today.. I struggle with the idea that the NCAA keeps updating a list that is easily accessible, but has some other 'master list' that 'really counts'. I would agree - I don't think that, if the guy even was there (personally I was at the certified event, so didn't see him at the SAL), he purposely committed this violation.... although it's a little strange he wouldn't be more familiar with the minimum requirements and be able to figure things out.

I saw the entry at MemphisRoar.com and it's the same as GL is saying here - but the problem is that both are citing a bylaw that is irrelevant... if you're speeding, going 75 in a 30 mph zone... you don't tell the cop, 'it's OK,.. the light was green, so I was fine...if it's green, I can go!' That's what they're doing.

Looks like ignorance more than anything... but I'm at 98% on the belief-meter that it was a violation. Easily avoidable. Oh well, ... don't think it was intentional, just dumb. If someone can help me with what I'm missing (because honestly this seems so clear as day), please do and I will promptly donate $100 to Streets Ministries in your name.
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Same on this one.. I'm 98% (actually probably a bit more) on this one. And if someone can explain to me what I'm missing and help me to understand why my view is incorrect, please do and I will promptly donate $100 to a local charity (Twin Cities).
 

BleedGopher said:
"The Gophers men's basketball team expects to receive a medical redshirt year for 6-10, 289-pound freshman center Maurice Walker, who tore a knee ligament in December."

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_17471935?nclick_check=1

Go Gophers!!
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When has Walker ever been 289 pounds.

I hope he gets it, they could have three big men that are sophmores with two years of experience in the program. Combine that with the guards and you would have a very experienced team for a few years.
 

Anyways...

Call it whatever you'd like, but it would be great for Walker to receive a fresh start of eligibility. Does anyone know what the recovery time is? Lucas had been "recovered" for a while, but is only now starting to play well. Should we expect something similar from Walker next year? He was playing great basketball before he went down.
 




Dr.Don said:
Warrior...You said this right after the OP. Now try cover your ass.
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Having a bad day, Don? What isn't clear? - I am telling you the article's suggestion, and whoever from the "Gophers" that believes this, is wrong. I am also putting money where my mouth is.

What more do you want? I'm telling you exactly where I stand and unilaterally putting money on it.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
Having a bad day, Don? What isn't clear? - I am telling you the article's suggestion, and whoever from the "Gophers" that believes this, is wrong. I am also putting money where my mouth is.

What more do you want? I'm telling you exactly where I stand and unilaterally putting money on it.
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You seem to be saying that if you are proven wrong, you will donate $100 to charity. May I quote you on that? If Mo gets his "medical redshirt", you give the money to whatever charity GH chooses. Maybe put it toward a practice facility?
 

Gopher Warrior said:
Just to be clear (as stated back in December), I am saying that not only is there no such thing as a medical redshirt, but also that Maurice Walker is not a candidate for a hardship waiver (which is what people are trying to describe when they say 'medical redshirt'). That is, he will only have a max of three more years of competition eligibility.

It's been awhile since a fun debate was had when it comes to the D1 Manual...



Same on this one.. I'm 98% (actually probably a bit more) on this one. And if someone can explain to me what I'm missing and help me to understand why my view is incorrect, please do and I will promptly donate $100 to a local charity (Twin Cities).
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You're correct about what the manual says but what you're missing is that the NCAA ignores its own bylaws all the time.
 

MinneStoa said:
You seem to be saying that if you are proven wrong, you will donate $100 to charity. May I quote you on that? If Mo gets his "medical redshirt", you give the money to whatever charity GH chooses. Maybe put it toward a practice facility?
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Yes - quote me on it. If Maurice Walker gets another year (i.e., another 4 after this year) of competition eligibility, I will donate $100 to charity. I'll throw out a few charities as suggestions, and a practice facility fund as an option, and the board can decide.

Gophers09 said:
You're correct about what the manual says but what you're missing is that the NCAA ignores its own bylaws all the time.
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As bylaws are ignored "all the time", can you point me to just one example of the hardship waiver being ignored in a case such as Walker's (i.e., individual has played in more than 30% of his team's games)? Minnesota can put this to the Big Ten and they will say, 'no'. The waiver can then be put in front of the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement... they will say, 'no'. There are no circumstances that may warrant relief in Walker's case. They just don't exist.

In addition to my $100 donation to charity, which is unilateral, I am happy to entertain a few bets with individuals, giving them 2-1 odds (i.e., Walker receives another year of competition eligibility, they get 2 times the bet.. if he does not, I get 1 times the bet).
 

GopherWarrior....You are called...the donation will go to GopherHole. don't give me the "unilateral bet" crap.
 

I appreciate Warrior's attention to detail and his quoting of NCAA by laws - nothing like going to the source.

However, I have also heard Tubby on the radio show saying that he was hoping for another year for Mo. I don't recall his exact choice of words and I wouldn't be surprised if he never read the applicable by-law. He did not sound like it was a done deal but it did sound like he was going to give it a try.

You can google "medical redshirt" and get plenty of links to pop up.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=medical+redshirt&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Term is used regularly - it may not be the correct term but it is often used. 30% and round up is what I recall from a previous Warrior post a while ago.

There is prolly wiggle room in lots of hard and fast rules. I just hope Mo heals up and plays great next year. After another 3 years maybe he can declare 'hardship' and go tho the NBA. Or is that rule over? I wouldn't want to bet a lot of money on the Shooter Column though.
 

Anyone remember what happened with Adam Boone? I know he received another year of eligibility after a shoulder injury - it took a long time to get the answer I recall.

I am hoping that by mentioning Boone this bring Mikie back to the gopherhole.
 

I'm not sure how he did it but he had a 6th year of eligibility - including at least one for whatever the correct term was at the time for being out a year due to injury. Maybe he got a 6th year because he had to sit out a year when he transferred from UNC.

This would be a good year for Mikie to be weighing in on our point guard play though.
 

Mikie, where are you?

rrjackIII said:
I'm not sure how he did it but he had a 6th year of eligibility - including at least one for whatever the correct term was at the time for being out a year due to injury. Maybe he got a 6th year because he had to sit out a year when he transferred from UNC.

This would be a good year for Mikie to be weighing in on our point guard play though.
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I think Mikie might even think that Boone would be addition to this years team.
 


Gopher Warrior has some conviction

Gopher Warrior, I commend you for sticking with your opinion. You have put your batteries on the line for your conviction. Good for you.

The problem is that we don't want you to be right, because we want Mo to get the year back. Also the year might not be given back immediately and your bet could last a few years. The NCAA can decide whenever they want and change their mind later as well.

One point to note is that if common sense prevails, he will get the year back despite playing in more games than the official rules. The reasoning is that if you look at his total minutes this is basically a lost year and the right thing for the NCAA to do is to give him four more years of eligibility. The NCAA can be stubborn but I hope they do what is right and get this one right.
 

Dr.Don said:
If Bleed, Blizzard, Shooter, Chris, GL says the possibility exists, I happen to go with them. Eat the big green Weenie, GopherWarrior


— The Gophers men's basketball team expects to receive a medical redshirt year for 6-10, 289-pound freshman center Maurice Walker, who tore a knee ligament in December.
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Where did I ever say this? Yes, anything is possible - but I can't see Mo being granted a medical redshirt (and yes, I will continue to use that term as every coach I've ever talked to has). He played way too much this year - I don't see it happening, just like I didn't see any possibility of Royce playing this year, or Nolen's appeal from last year.
 

OK, now some of you are getting confused with the 5 year clock. There are a ton of examples where kids get more than 5 years over which to exhaust their years of competition (i.e., Boone and Settles mentioned in this thread would be examples... and it can be in situations such as these where additional time is granted later on in their careers). What we are talking about here is years of competition.

Look at... a David Lighty (and Jess Settles) - he is playing in his fifth season. Actually his FIFTH season where he has competed. However, one year he received a hardship waiver because his circumstance allowed for it. That is, Lighty (and Settles) were awarded an additional year of competition. Walker's circumstances do not allow for a hardship waiver that would grant him another year of eligibility to compete.

I don't doubt that a sports writer talked to someone with the Gophers who told him that they believe Walker will get a 'medical redshirt' or whatever you want to call it. I probably expect that most writers would take such a source at their word and roll with it. It also doesn't surprise me that many of the general public would read those claims and have no trouble believing them.

But, Mo has used up a year of eligibility this year and it isn't coming back. Sorry, that's just how it is. I will entertain whatever betting action anyone wishes to offer and will provide you with 2-1 odds. Just send me a PM and we can agree to the specifics of the wager.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
Yes - quote me on it. If Maurice Walker gets another year (i.e., another 4 after this year) of competition eligibility, I will donate $100 to charity. I'll throw out a few charities as suggestions, and a practice facility fund as an option, and the board can decide.



As bylaws are ignored "all the time", can you point me to just one example of the hardship waiver being ignored in a case such as Walker's (i.e., individual has played in more than 30% of his team's games)? Minnesota can put this to the Big Ten and they will say, 'no'. The waiver can then be put in front of the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement... they will say, 'no'. There are no circumstances that may warrant relief in Walker's case. They just don't exist.

In addition to my $100 donation to charity, which is unilateral, I am happy to entertain a few bets with individuals, giving them 2-1 odds (i.e., Walker receives another year of competition eligibility, they get 2 times the bet.. if he does not, I get 1 times the bet).
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Donnell Kirkwood played in more than 3 games (played 4) and more than 30% of the Golden Gopher football season (played 33%) and received a medical hardship waiver.
 

Gophers09 said:
Donnell Kirkwood played in more than 3 games (played 4) and more than 30% of the Golden Gopher football season (played 33%) and received a medical hardship waiver.
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Nope. I know some might think I am the one that is too literal, but here it is you. As described in 14.2.4.3.6.2, Fraction In Percent Computation, "any computation of the percent limitation that results in a fractional portion of a contest or date of competition shall be rounded to the next whole number".

In the case of Kirkwood, 30% of his team's 12 games = 3.6 games. Per the rounding convention in the "bylaws that are ignored all the time", that is rounded up to 4 games. Per the bylaws, he participated in only 30% of the team's games and thus met that requirement under the hardship waiver rules.
 

Haha, as soon as I saw the thread title I knew Gopher Warrior would be all over it. Using that "term" is definitely one of his pet peeves.
 

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