Shedeur Sanders’ Slide in NFL Draft Cost Him $44 Million

Well Shough and Gabriel being drafted too high as well made the situation worse. These were really bad picks and only fueled the conspiracy theorists more.

I think Sanders might have 2nd round talent and these two maybe 5th rd talent.

Most of Sanders drop was due to how the draft process was handled but he really wasn't even a 1st rd talent to start with. So no matter what the conspiracy theorists would be up in arms. If he was a blue chipper talent wise like Luck or Manning he probably still goes high in the first. The NFL has shown time and time again thay if you're that level a player you will go high regardless of almost anything.

Look at Jamarcus Russell, guy had all the talent in the world but a lot of off the field red flags and look where he went.
Yeah, I agree with all of this. I will say that I think Shough is probably a 2nd round talent as well (physical tools), he just is really old for a rookie, he's only had 1 decent season, and he's consistently injured.

It was a really bad draft for QBs, those kind of years, sometimes less talented players make it into the first round (I'm looking at you Christian Ponder) and sometimes they don't.
 

Probably not considering the significantly less money that 5th rounders get. He might not even get a million his rookie season.
He's also never been in real trouble. It's more just like "he's cocky". That's difficult to write into a contract. Criminal stuff is a lot easier to write into a contract.
 

Yeah, I agree with all of this. I will say that I think Shough is probably a 2nd round talent as well (physical tools), he just is really old for a rookie, he's only had 1 decent season, and he's consistently injured.

It was a really bad draft for QBs, those kind of years, sometimes less talented players make it into the first round (I'm looking at you Christian Ponder) and sometimes they don't.
I only think there were two QBs worth drafting in the first two rounds. The rest, IMO, are just being drafted because people are throwing darts hoping they hit a Russell Wilson, Brady or something along the way. I think it's an extremely low chance that more than 1-2 QB in this draft turns out to be a decent starter. I think even Cam Ward would have been like the 4th-6th QB off the board in last year's draft.

Ward is a good prospect but he has a little too much Jameis Winston in him for me to take him #1. But he does have the live arm, can move if needed, and he checks out in the leadership/likeability area. And most of the knocks on him are things you can improve on or be coached out of so he has a high ceiling. He's basically the complete opposite of Sanders. Sanders doesn't have the Cam Ward arm and doesn't have the personality either.

All these guys outside of Cam Ward that went in the first three rounds are massive reaches based on their actual talent but everyone is hungry for a QB. Sanders could end up being a steal, he was probably pretty clearly the 2nd most talented QB in the draft and had he come off better leading up to the draft I bet he gets drafted somewhere between the 21st and 40th pick. Problem now is he's a 5th rd pick so he has to show he can play right away. He doesn't get the rope an early pick gets.

Tough break for him but you are going on a job interview that could pay you in the 100's of millions of dollars over your career, you can't do what he did and expect there not to be backlash.
 

He's also never been in real trouble. It's more just like "he's cocky". That's difficult to write into a contract. Criminal stuff is a lot easier to write into a contract.
I don't think he's a bad guy. I think he's your typical entitled rich kid. Then add in to that your Dad is Deion Sanders. This kid probably thinks he walks on water because nobody has had the guts to be real with him. And Deion wants nothing more than for his son to be great so all he's ever going to do is hype him up but as a father he would probably be doing him well to humble him some too. I mean you can't be a QB and be out there trying to show out like GOAT CB. It's two totally different vibes.
 




I don't think he's a bad guy. I think he's your typical entitled rich kid. Then add in to that your Dad is Deion Sanders. This kid probably thinks he walks on water because nobody has had the guts to be real with him. And Deion wants nothing more than for his son to be great so all he's ever going to do is hype him up but as a father he would probably be doing him well to humble him some too. I mean you can't be a QB and be out there trying to show out like GOAT CB. It's two totally different vibes.
Oh yeah, I didn't think you were and I think being lazy and overly cocky can definitely negatively impact your career. I'm just saying it's hard to put clauses into a contract that would let a team out of a contract for cockiness as opposed to criminality/drug use/etc.
 

I know you're just relaying this information and I've heard a lot of it too, but some of this stuff just doesn't make sense to me.

I've heard that his problem is that he holds onto the ball too long AND all of his throws are behind the line of scrimmage. That seems to be a contradictory. Most passes behind the line of scrimmage are designed almost run/passes.

As far as holding on to the ball too long - he held onto the ball an average of 3.06 seconds per pass. Caleb Williams averaged 3.21 second, Picket was 3.1 seconds, Bryce Young was 2.98 seconds, Joe Burrow was 2.92 seconds, Stroud was 2.92 seconds). He actually was really good on deep balls. His PFF grade on passes over 20 yards was tops in the class by a wide margin. It was better than some of the better prospects from other drafts.

I've seen nothing in his game to suggest he can't read a defense. He was not in the best situation - no running game and no OL and he threw the ball all over the field. Physically - his worst attributes were his size, athleticism, and he doesn't have a massive arm.

From my understanding of the Giants interview (which is clearly being leaked everywhere by Brian Daboll through McShay), isn't that he couldn't read a defense. It's that they gave him a bunch of plays to study and he didn't prepare before the interview. It wasn't that he couldn't read a defense, it's that he didn't prepare for the interview.

I'm not the biggest Shadeur Sanders fan and I wouldn't have drafted him at the top of the draft but I think some of the narratives coming out now are kind of revisionist and what happened was that he likely rubbed the QB needy times the wrong way and the QB teams that weren't needy had no interest in the potential circus.
I can't find it now but saw a twitter post awhile back that broke his times down a little bit more and a great deal of them were either quick (less than 2 seconds) or long (more than 4 seconds). It makes sense since they ran a lot of quick hitters near the line of scrimmage. The concern is when there's more medium to long distance routes, he held on for too long.
 

I can’t wait for the first interview with Sr.. I’m curious if that piece of pie humbled him? also Shilo firing him.
 



Oh yeah, I didn't think you were and I think being lazy and overly cocky can definitely negatively impact your career. I'm just saying it's hard to put clauses into a contract that would let a team out of a contract for cockiness as opposed to criminality/drug use/etc.
But, one of the important reasons that you draft a player in the later rounds is that you do not have to sign them to a contract that puts too much obligation on the team. If he has a cocky attitude and refuses to buy into the team, you just cut him. No need to put anything into the contract.
 

But, one of the important reasons that you draft a player in the later rounds is that you do not have to sign them to a contract that puts too much obligation on the team. If he has a cocky attitude and refuses to buy into the team, you just cut him. No need to put anything into the contract.
Yeah, if you draft him in the first you have a significant amount of money more invested and then you have an obligation to give them a lot more rope before parting ways. You take a guy late, like you said, you don't like it you're out very little money and not much draft capital if you cut them. That's why i think Sanders is really in a bad situation now if he can't correct his persona and really just focus on being the best team mate and QB he can be. He needs put all this Deion swag crap away and humble himself. Maybe he does well and proves himself enough he can be a little more that way but not when you're a 5th rd QB.
 

Yeah, if you draft him in the first you have a significant amount of money more invested and then you have an obligation to give them a lot more rope before parting ways. You take a guy late, like you said, you don't like it you're out very little money and not much draft capital if you cut them. That's why i think Sanders is really in a bad situation now if he can't correct his persona and really just focus on being the best team mate and QB he can be. He needs put all this Deion swag crap away and humble himself. Maybe he does well and proves himself enough he can be a little more that way but not when you're a 5th rd QB.
If going in the 5th round doesn't wake him up then nothing will. He has to ditch the circus, show up humble and get to work. If he does that he could win their starting job because that QB room is nothing special with Watson, Flacco, Pickett, Gabriel and Sanders. In the end, at least 2 and probably 3 of those guys are going to get cut.
 

If going in the 5th round doesn't wake him up then nothing will. He has to ditch the circus, show up humble and get to work. If he does that he could win their starting job because that QB room is nothing special with Watson, Flacco, Pickett, Gabriel and Sanders. In the end, at least 2 and probably 3 of those guys are going to get cut.
Yup, of any of the later rd picks he has the easiest road to a starting job, IMO.
 



Yup, of any of the later rd picks he has the easiest road to a starting job, IMO.
Yeah it is a really uninspiring list and has to be sad for Browns fans that potentially the best option of the 5 is a 40 year old who might retire :)

Definite opening for one of the rookies to win the job. I actually think Gabriel has a decent shot of winning the job even more so than Sanders.
 

Yup, of any of the later rd picks he has the easiest road to a starting job, IMO.
But in the same note, I think he has the easiest path to getting cut. If he comes in not willing to work with the coaches and is disrespectful...Boom.
 

I only think there were two QBs worth drafting in the first two rounds. The rest, IMO, are just being drafted because people are throwing darts hoping they hit a Russell Wilson, Brady or something along the way. I think it's an extremely low chance that more than 1-2 QB in this draft turns out to be a decent starter. I think even Cam Ward would have been like the 4th-6th QB off the board in last year's draft.

Ward is a good prospect but he has a little too much Jameis Winston in him for me to take him #1. But he does have the live arm, can move if needed, and he checks out in the leadership/likeability area. And most of the knocks on him are things you can improve on or be coached out of so he has a high ceiling. He's basically the complete opposite of Sanders. Sanders doesn't have the Cam Ward arm and doesn't have the personality either.

All these guys outside of Cam Ward that went in the first three rounds are massive reaches based on their actual talent but everyone is hungry for a QB. Sanders could end up being a steal, he was probably pretty clearly the 2nd most talented QB in the draft and had he come off better leading up to the draft I bet he gets drafted somewhere between the 21st and 40th pick. Problem now is he's a 5th rd pick so he has to show he can play right away. He doesn't get the rope an early pick gets.

Tough break for him but you are going on a job interview that could pay you in the 100's of millions of dollars over your career, you can't do what he did and expect there not to be backlash.
I think Jaxson Dart could be the breakout QB from this draft.

I found this Gruden QB Camp on Jaxson Dart. Gruden can pump up and make any QB look great, but Jaxson Dart really looks good in this video.

 

Welp, here is another thread I will not read end to end. So with that end in mind, I'll say this. What this country needs is a holiday where pranks are acceptable. <April 1st> Pardon me: News flash, the United States has traditionally conducted an unofficial holiday to prank one another. Let's move the NFL draft to April 1 and sponsor best prank of a draftee. And, within the draft itself, the league should run a drawing to see which team loses a draft choice. That way, nobody will get fined and we may end up with some entertainment between picks.

As for the quarterback debate, I don't care who was the best draftee or will be the greatest success. That isn't even a solid question. Most of the best still end up doing clip board duty. With that in mind, all QB's should be able to demonstrate on a runway, how to walk with a clipboard on the sideline. This should also be done on April 1st.

I believe I have articulated my position clearly, as is my duty to my fellow Americans.
 

Welp, here is another thread I will not read end to end. So with that end in mind, I'll say this. What this country needs is a holiday where pranks are acceptable. <April 1st> Pardon me: News flash, the United States has traditionally conducted an unofficial holiday to prank one another. Let's move the NFL draft to April 1 and sponsor best prank of a draftee. And, within the draft itself, the league should run a drawing to see which team loses a draft choice. That way, nobody will get fined and we may end up with some entertainment between picks.

As for the quarterback debate, I don't care who was the best draftee or will be the greatest success. That isn't even a solid question. Most of the best still end up doing clip board duty. With that in mind, all QB's should be able to demonstrate on a runway, how to walk with a clipboard on the sideline. This should also be done on April 1st.

I believe I have articulated my position clearly, as is my duty to my fellow Americans.

Swing and a miss
 

Welp, here is another thread I will not read end to end. So with that end in mind, I'll say this. What this country needs is a holiday where pranks are acceptable. <April 1st> Pardon me: News flash, the United States has traditionally conducted an unofficial holiday to prank one another. Let's move the NFL draft to April 1 and sponsor best prank of a draftee. And, within the draft itself, the league should run a drawing to see which team loses a draft choice. That way, nobody will get fined and we may end up with some entertainment between picks.

As for the quarterback debate, I don't care who was the best draftee or will be the greatest success. That isn't even a solid question. Most of the best still end up doing clip board duty. With that in mind, all QB's should be able to demonstrate on a runway, how to walk with a clipboard on the sideline. This should also be done on April 1st.

I believe I have articulated my position clearly, as is my duty to my fellow Americans.
So instead of The Purge it's The Pranks
 



I think Jaxson Dart could be the breakout QB from this draft.

I found this Gruden QB Camp on Jaxson Dart. Gruden can pump up and make any QB look great, but Jaxson Dart really looks good in this video.

He seems a little like a Temu Josh Allen, likes to use his legs but not as big. Likes to pass on the easy completion to try to make big plays but doesn't have Josh Allen's arm. Questionable ability to make post snap reads. But OTOH he's a competitor and you have to like that. He's pretty accurate too and throws with anticipation. Drew Brees made a hell of a career not having a great arm but hitting people on the numbers, right on time.

I like him more than Sanders just because I think he will be more coachable and they're probably similar in arm talent. I would take Dart's athleticism even though that sounds funny talking about Deion's kid. But OTOH, I'm not sure how grown men will react to how Dart barks either. They might love it, might hate it. Hard to tell. I will say this, if Dart ends up being good there is going to be very black and white line as to people loving or hating him. Sorta like Sander but in different ways.
 

But in the same note, I think he has the easiest path to getting cut. If he comes in not willing to work with the coaches and is disrespectful...Boom.
It could go really well or really bad for him fast. They have options. If he isn't it, he will be gone pretty fast.
 
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That would be anti-capitalist.
Not really, it would just change who has the leverage in negotiation. As you can see with NIL in college money talks. Teams willing to pay the most would get the best players for the most part. But OTOH it would probably be bad for the NFL because it would turn into more like soccer in Europe where the best teams are always like the same 5-6 teams due to being able to buy all the players. Even with being about to straight buy rookies at least the NFL has a cap so that would have to affect market value for rookies even if there was no draft. But you still run the risk of the best rookies only signing with the same 5-6 teams.
 

Not really, it would just change who has the leverage in negotiation. As you can see with NIL in college money talks. Teams willing to pay the most would get the best players for the most part. But OTOH it would probably be bad for the NFL because it would turn into more like soccer in Europe where the best teams are always like the same 5-6 teams due to being able to buy all the players. Even with being about to straight buy rookies at least the NFL has a cap so that would have to affect market value for rookies even if there was no draft. But you still run the risk of the best rookies only signing with the same 5-6 teams.
The NFL and the NFLPA collectively bargained for a system to dispense the talent in the way they see fit. The system he proposes either circumvents that mutually agreed upon contract or disallows those parties to contract in that way.

If the parties agreed to have another system - ie open free agency that's fine too. However, as of right now, they have contracted to have an NFL draft and an entire system of contracting (rules on extensions, rules on salary caps, etc.).

The parties should be allowed to contract. It's the very essence of capitalism.
 

The NFL and the NFLPA collectively bargained for a system to dispense the talent in the way they see fit. The system he proposes either circumvents that mutually agreed upon contract or disallows those parties to contract in that way.

If the parties agreed to have another system - ie open free agency that's fine too. However, as of right now, they have contracted to have an NFL draft and an entire system of contracting (rules on extensions, rules on salary caps, etc.).

The parties should be allowed to contract. It's the very essence of capitalism.
Right but this was a hypothetical, not saying they should just go off the reservation outside of the collective bargaining agreement. Obviously if they went to no draft the NFLPA would have agreed to doing that.
 

I didn't realize the SS didn't have an agent and basically just had his dad helping him. That could shed some light onto the situation. One podcaster thinks that SS treated the team visits more like recruiting trips than actual job interviews. That may have worked for his dad who had so much talent, but not for a questionably coached QB that drips arrogance.

He will have a better chance of having a career as an NFL QB if he treats it like a fight for his survival. A chance to earn his keep and not live off his old man for the rest of his life.
 

I didn't realize the SS didn't have an agent and basically just had his dad helping him. That could shed some light onto the situation. One podcaster thinks that SS treated the team visits more like recruiting trips than actual job interviews. That may have worked for his dad who had so much talent, but not for a questionably coached QB that drips arrogance.

He will have a better chance of having a career as an NFL QB if he treats it like a fight for his survival. A chance to earn his keep and not live off his old man for the rest of his life.
Yeah, I think Deion probably coached him how to behave in the interviews but Deion was top tier blue chipper and a DB. You can get away with that stuff if you are super talented DB, you're not leading the entire offense. SS is just a privileged kid who was not advised well by his father. Hopefully he can see that and comes around or he will have a short lived NFL career.
 

Not really, it would just change who has the leverage in negotiation. As you can see with NIL in college money talks. Teams willing to pay the most would get the best players for the most part. But OTOH it would probably be bad for the NFL because it would turn into more like soccer in Europe where the best teams are always like the same 5-6 teams due to being able to buy all the players. Even with being about to straight buy rookies at least the NFL has a cap so that would have to affect market value for rookies even if there was no draft. But you still run the risk of the best rookies only signing with the same 5-6 teams.
The only way I could see it working is if they did something like MLB does for international players where each team has a set amount of bonus money they can offer overall and the players can sign anywhere. The teams that did worse usually get more money they can offer.
 




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