Shama: Too Many Problems with Gophers Basketball

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so questioning if Carter's leaving was really all about his sister. isn't that what got many to rip on Vandelay who wondered the same thing?

also the tone of the article is negative towards the program so this Shama guy has no clue what he is talking about.
 

If there is still someone out there that isn't concerned about the last few years in regard to Gopher hoops... they must live in a dream world. No new news here.
 

There were rumors of a couple of additional possible transfer rumors at the end of last year. I am sure that Mbwake was one and Joseph was another. It should be rare that people two years into the program transfer not the norm. That is one of the things that concern me.
 

scools12 said:
so questioning if Carter's leaving was really all about his sister. isn't that what got many to rip on Vandelay who wondered the same thing?

also the tone of the article is negative towards the program so this Shama guy has no clue what he is talking about.
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Huh. Interesting.

Where is everyone with their pitchforks calling Shama despicable? How about Phil Mackey? He said the same thing on the air the other day. Why don't you inundate their inboxes with hate emails telling them how wrong they are?

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Carry on.
 


A couple of things...

Shama, way to beat the issue to death, nothing new here as with most TC sports writers.

Good writers/reporters get answers/dont speculate, and if they do they go out and try to prove the spucalation about the Paul Carter situation.

This is me just speculating (i can do it, i dont get paid for my rantings) paul carter and tubby kinda seem like the perfect fit, call me crazy i think a good kid did a good thing to be closer to his sister.

Just because i didnt care enough about royce after it was pretty clear he wasnt going to play here, wut kind of actual legal convictions did he recieve?
 

Art Vandelay said:
Huh. Interesting.

Where is everyone with their pitchforks calling Shama despicable? How about Phil Mackey? He said the same thing on the air the other day. Why don't you inundate their inboxes with hate emails telling them how wrong they are?

:clap:

Carry on.
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Dude's got a point...
 

There's no point slamming Shama. He's such a hack writer he can't even get a job with one of the local fishwraps. If you can't beat out Tom Powers and Jim Souhan, you're not a good writer. I think his speculation about Paul Carter is irresponsible, but who cares. He's a nothing blogger, and I'm not going to waste my time critiquing his work.
 

Huh. Interesting.

Where is everyone with their pitchforks calling Shama despicable? How about Phil Mackey? He said the same thing on the air the other day. Why don't you inundate their inboxes with hate emails telling them how wrong they are?
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And I was so hoping that you would have gotten banned. Mackay probably got it from your stupid comments, as he was reading here, Shama probably listened to Mackay's show.

I think what Shama said is somewhat fair. Except for Carter.
 



Banned for what? Perfectly logical speculation?

Tell me what forum rule(s) I broke?
 

I feel like these concerns dovetail with those expressed by Reusse in his 1500 column. I do take Pat with a grain of salt because I'm sick of hearing reporters whine about accessibility and friendliness of coaches and players. That said, I agree that this program doesn't feel like "our" program the way it has in the past, and a good deal of it is the way Smith buffers himself and the team from the community. Part of the fun of the 1989, 1990 and 1997 teams was the way the fan felt connected to them, and that starts with openness and accessibility. To Clem's credit, he sat there on the Sports Huddle every Sunday morning and didn't shy away from critical questions.

The whole vibe of the program feels like the power coach scenario. It's Tubby's world, and we just live in it. Just keep buying season tickets, build me a practice facility, and then leave us alone and don't ask a lot of questions. The overall picture borders on a lack of accountability.
 


LMAO at that website.

What do you guys do, surf the net for anti-Gopher writings and then post them here? Was that page made on geocities?

Also Art, you seem like a miserable person. I wish you the best.
 



Dirk Diggler said:
LMAO at that website.

What do you guys do, surf the net for anti-Gopher writings and then post them here? Was that page made on geocities?

Also Art, you seem like a miserable person. I wish you the best.
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We all can't be porn stars m'boy....
 

First off, I don't consider the transfers to be that big of a deal, not something where I'm all ready to do deep investigation or something. Devoe and Cobbs just didn't feel like they were gettin the burn and touches they wanted. Oh well, you move on. Royce White...well we all knew he was a risk, but that was a no-win situation if I ever saw one. If Tubby leaves him alone, yeah you'd have a chunk that would applaud Tubby for not pursuing the trouble-maker, but you'd have a vast amount of people ripping him for not getting the best player in the state. Paul Carter, people keep wanting to speculate, but all we can do is take him at his word, which is that he transferred to be close to his sister, that's it. If you wanna dig deeper, go ahead, but don't just sit there and throw it out there with no base to it.

I think initially Tubby felt he had to recruit some star power to his roster to get this program going, and I think in many ways, that blew up in his face. You've noticed the last couple of years, he's put a lot of focus on high character guys as well as high talent. And I think going forward, that's gonna work out great for him and you will see the amount of distractions take a heavy decrease in the years to come.
 

Dirk Diggler said:
LMAO at that website.

What do you guys do, surf the net for anti-Gopher writings and then post them here? Was that page made on geocities?

Also Art, you seem like a miserable person. I wish you the best.
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Shama is usually a giant homer for all Gopher Sports. Especially Gopher Football.
 

Art's perfectly logical speculation

Art asks what is wrong with perfectly logical speculation

Would doubt that your rumor was

perfect or logical but if a random shot in the dark is speculative it was speculation

Art is a genius
 

Bad Gopher said:
The whole vibe of the program feels like the power coach scenario. It's Tubby's world, and we just live in it. Just keep buying season tickets, build me a practice facility, and then leave us alone and don't ask a lot of questions. The overall picture borders on a lack of accountability.
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+1. Anytime someone asks Tubby a tough question lately, he seems to respond with playing the "I'm a great coach and you're not" card. Take the OSU press conference. He gets a couple questions dealing with coaching moves and his only response is a sarcastic "I must be a terrible coach," basically stating to everyone he knows what he is doing and they don't.

Tubby needs to realize that just because he is a good coach, it doesn't mean he can't make mistakes, or at the very least acknowledge questions from the media and give semi-intelligent responses. Instead he is just acting like he is above it all.
 

scools12 said:
so questioning if Carter's leaving was really all about his sister. isn't that what got many to rip on Vandelay who wondered the same thing?

also the tone of the article is negative towards the program so this Shama guy has no clue what he is talking about.
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It gets ripped because there is absolutely no evidence of it. I could also say that Art Vandelay wishes he was born a woman. Is it possible, yep. But I have no evidence of it.
 

Bad Gopher said:
I feel like these concerns dovetail with those expressed by Reusse in his 1500 column. I do take Pat with a grain of salt because I'm sick of hearing reporters whine about accessibility and friendliness of coaches and players. That said, I agree that this program doesn't feel like "our" program the way it has in the past, and a good deal of it is the way Smith buffers himself and the team from the community. Part of the fun of the 1989, 1990 and 1997 teams was the way the fan felt connected to them, and that starts with openness and accessibility. To Clem's credit, he sat there on the Sports Huddle every Sunday morning and didn't shy away from critical questions.

The whole vibe of the program feels like the power coach scenario. It's Tubby's world, and we just live in it. Just keep buying season tickets, build me a practice facility, and then leave us alone and don't ask a lot of questions. The overall picture borders on a lack of accountability.
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Bad, excellent post.

BTW, you may want to look behind you now and again as your post must really irritate some foks around here......
 

GophersInIowa said:
It gets ripped because there is absolutely no evidence of it. I could also say that Art Vandelay wishes he was born a woman. Is it possible, yep. But I have no evidence of it.
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didn't know evidence was need for speculation.
 

Bad Gopher said:
I feel like these concerns dovetail with those expressed by Reusse in his 1500 column. I do take Pat with a grain of salt because I'm sick of hearing reporters whine about accessibility and friendliness of coaches and players. That said, I agree that this program doesn't feel like "our" program the way it has in the past, and a good deal of it is the way Smith buffers himself and the team from the community. Part of the fun of the 1989, 1990 and 1997 teams was the way the fan felt connected to them, and that starts with openness and accessibility. To Clem's credit, he sat there on the Sports Huddle every Sunday morning and didn't shy away from critical questions.

The whole vibe of the program feels like the power coach scenario. It's Tubby's world, and we just live in it. Just keep buying season tickets, build me a practice facility, and then leave us alone and don't ask a lot of questions. The overall picture borders on a lack of accountability.
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:clap:
 

BarnBurner said:
Bad, excellent post.

BTW, you may want to look behind you now and again as your post must really irritate some foks around here......
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As a matter of fact, it even irritates ME. I really admire coach Smith, but like most of us he's not perfect. I do have a few issues with the way he operates.

My wife is the canary in the coal mine. She's not the least bit fired up about the program, and she used to go ape over the team. Some of that is probably her, but some of it is the vibe and energy that comes from the program, or lack thereof.
 

GophersInIowa said:
It gets ripped because there is absolutely no evidence of it. I could also say that Art Vandelay wishes he was born a woman. Is it possible, yep. But I have no evidence of it.
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If it were public knowledge that my teammates and family members also wished they were born women - then your logic would make sense - but sadly it does not.

Nxet.
 

Bad Gopher said:
As a matter of fact, it even irritates ME. I really admire coach Smith, but like most of us he's not perfect. I do have a few issues with the way he operates.

My wife is the canary in the coal mine. She's not the least bit fired up about the program, and she used to go ape over the team. Some of that is probably her, but some of it is the vibe and energy that comes from the program, or lack thereof.
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I understand completely, and agree. Just the thought of saying anything negative about Tubby is cause for walking the plank with some.....
 

This Tubby headhunting is rediculouse. He proved what he could do at a program where every resource is available. He won and won big (doesn't get bigger than a NC). Maybe some of the hate should be directed at those really responsible. Tubby is payed to coach and at that he is top of the line 5 star. He isn't getting payed to run the entire athletics program. He has his bosses to answer to just like any of us. He is not perfect but he is a proven winner and people just need to get off his back!
 

What are you talking about? Do you remember what Phil Mackey's headline was? Too lazy to look it up, but it was something along the lines of "Awkward win over Indiana proves gophers are not contenders". There are so many things wrong with that headline. First off, any decent basketball mind never thought the Gophers had a shot at 1st place. We were always 3rd place in the best case scenario. 2nd, how does barely beating a team PROVE that a team isn't a contender? You can look at literally almost every single good team and find games where they had "awkward" wins over crappy teams. That doesn't prove a team isn't a contender.

Art Vandelay said:
Huh. Interesting.

Where is everyone with their pitchforks calling Shama despicable? How about Phil Mackey? He said the same thing on the air the other day. Why don't you inundate their inboxes with hate emails telling them how wrong they are?

:clap:

Carry on.
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Great article Shama. In case someone hasn't paid any attention to Gopher bball the past 2 years, he has some new info for you. Here's my favorite part...

"There are too many problems occurring too frequently with this program, but interestingly the University has been negotiating a contract extension with Smith and looking at building an expensive new practice facility."

I suppose we should never build a practice facility. Recruits just hate practice facilities. Also, we should just fire Tubby because we know Maturi can bring in a better coach.
 

underground629 said:
What are you talking about? Do you remember what Phil Mackey's headline was? Too lazy to look it up, but it was something along the lines of "Awkward win over Indiana proves gophers are not contenders". There are so many things wrong with that headline. First off, any decent basketball mind never thought the Gophers had a shot at 1st place. We were always 3rd place in the best case scenario. 2nd, how does barely beating a team PROVE that a team isn't a contender? You can look at literally almost every single good team and find games where they had "awkward" wins over crappy teams. That doesn't prove a team isn't a contender.
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Mackey mentioned the Carter thing on air with Reusse the other day. I never said anything about his blog.
 

Ok - This convinces me that writing a decent column is harder than we think and I take back all those things I said about Reusse.
 

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