Shama: Gophers Football Season Ticket Sales Down Slightly from 2024; third consecutive year of decline in public season tickets

Thanks, I wasn't aware of how NWST got on the schedule. More concerned about the non conference basketball schedules the last several years.
Basketball is a totally different scheduling process. Those are mostly built closer to the season. Football is built years in advance.

But you're 100% correct that BB schedules need to get much more challenging.
 

All I know is that I got in a line, opened a refrigerator door, grabbed a can of Coors Light and walked it myself to a worker who had me tap a card on a reader (which asked me to include a tip) and that one self serve beer cost 13 bucks. Someone is making money, and it sure ain't me.

It's not the Gophers making bank either.

That $13 gets split up by the vendor (contracted), distributor, labor, taxes etc. A relative small percentage goes into the Gophers coffers when all is said and done. $2 each might be pushing it.
 
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Coyle has his flaws but he has made some really good hires, most notably PJ. Ben was an obvious miss but I will go to my grave certain that Coyle didn’t make that choice.
I'll give you PJ. After that it's undetermined at best. Basketball...it's been awhile sine we played in an NCAA Tournament. Hockey? We expect titles...haven't gotten any...fair or unfair?
Baseball and softball are not ascending. Volleyball? Maybe, maybe not.
I agree he didn't hire Ben.
 

I remember when some here thought that was a good thing at the time.

I don't know that it's a bad thing, still.

What's at least given me pause the past 2 seasons has nothing to do with the cost.

It's how College sports in general have changed as well as the transformation of the Big 10 into a coast-to-coast 18 team division-less Goliath.

NIL & Portal means the roster turns more constantly. Less regional games and slimmer chance to play banner (Big 10 West). No more Rose Bowl aspirations.

I have to think at least a few fans have bailed for similar sentiment.

I'm still rolling along...for now.
 
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It's not the Gophers making bank either.

That $13 gets split up by the vendor (contracted), distributor, labor, etc. A relative small percentage goes into the Gophers coffers when all is said and done. $2 each might be pushing it.
I agree but who is responsible for negotiating the setup that leaves them with no money?
Done skillfully, in house, there is a boatload of money in concessions. I know that as a fact from experience in high school events and summer softball tournaments.
 

Cuz they don't know how to run a business. How are we not seeing the theme.
 

I agree but who is responsible for negotiating the setup that leaves them with no money?
Done skillfully, in house, there is a boatload of money in concessions. I know that as a fact from experience in high school events and summer softball tournaments.

I don't think that the Gophers handle it any differently than any NCAA program or Pro Sports franchise.
 

I don't think that the Gophers handle it any differently than any NCAA program or Pro Sports franchise.
From some Googling I'm seeing most teams pull 35%-50% when using a 3rd party. If we are making a lot less than that, it's on Coyle.
 



From some Googling I'm seeing most teams pull 35%-50% when using a 3rd party. If we are making a lot less than that, it's on Coyle.

Right off the bat over there's an over 10% haircut for state/city/county sales & liquor taxes.

I am not sure it's Coyle that's negotiating. Back in the day it was part of the University's overall contracts for food/beverage providers.
 

We have 31500 student and public season ticket holders. Adding another 10,000 or so game sales equals around the usual per-game attendance of 40000-43000 that we normally see. So the stadium is usually 80% full. We have occasional sellouts for the rivalry games or when we have a blue blood in the house. The only way we sell out the other games, no matter if the opponent is rated number 1 or are the Little Sisters of the Poor, is to be viewed by the public as something special. A must-see attraction. We are a nice little team in a little boutique stadium with little chance of a National Title. Nothing changes unless the way we are viewed by those beyond the 43000 changes. It has little to do with parking, ticket, or concession prices.
Why do the Vikings sell out? The makeup of the NFL allows the Vikings fans to always believe that there's a chance for another Super Bowl.
 

From some Googling I'm seeing most teams pull 35%-50% when using a 3rd party. If we are making a lot less than that, it's on Coyle.
It's been some years ago but there was a fairly in depth story of how the Gophers were losing money on concessions in the "new" stadium. Don't remember the particulars other than too many people taking a percentage greater than was available.
Here is the thread: Losing Money On Beer Sales
Nearly a $1million in sales and lost $16,000
 
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And, IDK the answer but does the increase in ticket prices total more revenue with less total sold than the higher total number at less money?
Coyle is the AD...I assume he is responsible for guy whose job it is to market and sell season tickets ? Same is true for the fundraising guy. We sre not good in either area...let alone elite.
Northwestern State should not have been an approved opponent...the men's and women's basketball schedules shouldn't be allowed to rank well over 100th each preseason in strength of schedule. This is a factor in ticket sales. The coaches are responsible to Coyle...obviously he is allowing them to schedule bad, bad teams.
What does Coyle do well?
I don’t know but they are not running a sell out the stadium model of pricing
Maybe they should (I think they should)
But my point is referencing season tickets sold is pretty pointless because their goal isn’t to sell more
 




Bodies in seats = concession and merch revenue. You want the stadium full every game
I agree but that’s not the model the U of M has been using for years.
I disagree with it, they simply aren’t pricing season tickets to sell out the stadium.

It’s a fact
I’m not saying it’s a good strategy, I’m saying it’s a fact
 

I don’t know but they are not running a sell out the stadium model of pricing
Maybe they should (I think they should)
But my point is referencing season tickets sold is pretty pointless because their goal isn’t to sell more
I can see an argument for taking advantage of selling high price tickets for desirable games
But that number isn't at 50& capacity. and what are there in a typical year? One or two max games like that each year? What about the other 4 or 5 games at 50% capacity.
Sell the tickets to Gopher fans.
 

I can see an argument for taking advantage of selling high price tickets for desirable games
But that number isn't at 50& capacity. and what are there in a typical year? One or two max games like that each year? What about the other 4 or 5 games at 50% capacity.
Sell the tickets to Gopher fans.
I am 100% in
I think it’s stupid strategy
I’m just saying their strategy isn’t to sell out the stadium

They’re using a different model
 

Someone could probably cobble together stadium revenue over the years before/since Mega Tongue. Higher, lower, similar. It’s published every year. It won’t be me.
 

our group of 8 was forced out after 2014 due to the increase, we never came back; in fact, I've not been to a home game in 10 years
 

Two things.

One, there will be some amount of old fan attrition each season as it just becomes too much for whatever reason...health, finances, mobility. One answer to this is to actively encourage an "inheritance option" for Gopher points, seats, and perks under the right conditions. We had a fantastic but older seating neighbor prior to covid, who died too early during the lockdowns, whose kids used his seats (probably off the books) for a couple of seasons. We did not mind. For whatever reason they let them go.

Second, there has to be some small measure of season ticket growth...not just maintaining the current number but adding too it. Obviously the improved product on the field has not translated yet to in turn improve that number too. Mega's move was ill timed, poorly explained, and terribly executed but it's been 10 years. The in-game experience is great and better teams are being fielded. An expanded B1G also has improved the match-ups more often than not. Similar to the inheritance idea (if it does not currently exist), maybe a 7-8 year graduated pay scale for UM grads to get them to buy in or similar? Hard to believe this would lose money over the long term.
 

The Gophers were supposed to play Bowling Green last week. Bowling Green backed out. They had to find somebody with an opening in the schedule. It's not Coyle's fault Northwestern State went on a losing streak right after they signed to play here. How many additional fans would have showed up if the opponent last week was Bowling Green? Very few would be my assumption.

Maybe less because of the PTSD?
 

Why do the Vikings sell out? The makeup of the NFL allows the Vikings fans to always believe that there's a chance for another Super Bowl.
The Vikings also have decades of success behind them. More division titles than Green Bay and they’re almost always one of the better teams in the league.

Like it or not the Gophers are seen more as lovable losers in this state and that doesn’t move the needle.
 

I view the Mega tongue scholarship seating yearly dramatic annual price increase plan as one of the dumbest off the field sports-related decisions I have ever seen in this town (especially when you consider the continued price increases that they did thankfully suspended).

It got me to thinking, I wonder where it ranks in terms of dumb sports management decisions in Minnesota over the past 50 years?

In no particular order:

Norwood Teague dramatic ticket price increase plan for Gopher football that ended up cutting the season ticket base by 30%

Hershael Walker Trade

Pohlad family baseball decision on any random Thursday

Joe Smith under the table contract

Clem Haskins research papergate

Gophers to the Metrodome to entice southern players

Timberwolves David Kahn passing on Stephen Curry
 

I view the Mega tongue scholarship seating yearly dramatic annual price increase plan as one of the dumbest off the field sports-related decisions I have ever seen in this town (especially when you consider the continued price increases that they did thankfully suspended).

It got me to thinking, I wonder where it ranks in terms of dumb sports management decisions in Minnesota over the past 50 years?

In no particular order:

Norwood Teague dramatic ticket price increase plan for Gopher football that ended up cutting the season ticket base by 30%

Hershael Walker Trade

Pohlad family baseball decision on any random Thursday

Joe Smith under the table contract

Clem Haskins research papergate

Gophers to the Metrodome to entice southern players

Timberwolves David Kahn passing on Stephen Curry
My addition to your list....the decision to draft Darrin Nelson over Marcus Allen. Put Allen on the 1987-1989 Vikings teams and we win at least one Super Bowl. That would also mean the Walker trade never happens. Edit: Yes, I realize Allen's stats were starting to dwindle by that time but he was also sharing the backfield with Bo Jackson.

I don't want to derail the thread's main topic so I will say that I agree with you, the scholarship seating increase was a terrible decision that dramatically altered the momentum the program was experiencing under Kill. What's interesting to note is that while the season ticket experience was higher under Kill, the student engagement was MUCH lower. Our student section has really thrived under Fleck. TO echo other points, I'm hoping the University can build on that and keep those recent graduates engaged in the next few years.
 

From what I can find, it looks like the Gopher pass went from $199 in 2023 to $249 in 2024 and the cheapest option other than that went from $249 to $310. A 25% price increase is going to cause season ticket sales to drop and even with prices staying the same from 2024 to 2025, the economy and personal finances outside of the upper class are heading in the wrong direction.
25% increase is a canard on your part. $60/7 is less than $10 a game. $60 is $5 a month. "the economy and personal finances outside of the upper class" comment has nothing to do with $5 a month.
 


Coyle has kept the kept the ticket price static for 4-5 years. A season ticket for great seats runs a person 700. It’s a deal.
 

IIRC, Teague implemented a plan 3 price increases, and the third one is what lost the most season ticket holders. And didn’t the third one happen under the interim AD Beth Goetz after Teague was fired?

Also, some time during that period the Gophers converted something like 4 sections to scholarship seating, which made hundreds of seats even more expensive. Kind of a double whammy for affected season ticket holders.
 

IIRC, Teague implemented a plan 3 price increases, and the third one is what lost the most season ticket holders. And didn’t the third one happen under the interim AD Beth Goetz after Teague was fired?

Also, some time during that period the Gophers converted something like 4 sections to scholarship seating, which made hundreds of seats even more expensive. Kind of a double whammy for affected season ticket holders.
I know I left after the 2nd increase. Had tickets since 2000. But I also had extenuating circumstances of 2 kids in college to pay for. Still do the Gopher Pass on occasion, depending on schedule.
 

I agree with some of the posters here - I would be more concerned with average attendance per game rather than season tickets sold. The U can jack up prices for some of the games easier this way IMO...
 




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