Seth Davis says Minnesota is 2nd-worst job in B1G | BMTN Interview

I'm with you.

I think Nebraska stands alone in their disadvantaged status. They've never won an NCAA game. Fred was very successful at ISU and can't seem to get any traction there. Northwestern had historically been the program that couldn't seem to get anywhere, but Collins has flipped the script there...although could it fly on its own there without him? Penn State has some disadvantages (e.g., out in the middle of nowhere, although that hasn't seemed to affect the football program), and they've been taking two steps forward and one step back over and over since they joined the conference.

Minnesota has both advantages and disadvantages. There's been too many successes over the years to characterize this as a bad situation, but sustained success isn't automatic either. We're disadvantaged at the moment because of the last quarter century of underperforming the situation, but I see our potential as being no worse than Wisconsin or Iowa.

I'll disagree with you on Nebraska. There's no reason they shouldn't be successful. Fred is a very overrated coach. They have great facilities and plenty of money to spend. Location isn't a big issue considering there are 3 highly successful programs within a 3 hr drive.
 


Minnesota is a better job than Northwestern and Penn State easily.

It also probably better than Rutgers and Nebraska. Both of those jobs feel like they've peaked and are now declining. If Piekiell and Hoiberg with a shiny new arena couldn't do it, who will?

We are in the bottom group, but there's nothing inherently better about Iowa, Washington etc. either.
 

I'd imagine Fred Hoiberg is still held in high regard. Fact is he's about as good a leader for that program as they can get.

Fred Hoiberg
84 - 108 - .438 winning percentage in his career in the Big10. 1 tourney appearance, 0 wins.

Ben Johnson
56 - 71 - .441 winning percentage in his career in the Big 10.
 

Minnesota is a better job than Northwestern and Penn State easily.

It also probably better than Rutgers and Nebraska. Both of those jobs feel like they've peaked and are now declining. If Piekiell and Hoiberg with a shiny new arena couldn't do it, who will?

We are in the bottom group, but there's nothing inherently better about Iowa, Washington etc. either.
I don’t think Rutgers has a new arena. You can have an argument about which is a worse job, but RU (currently) has a rabid home crowd and a fertile recruiting area - both better than MN. OTOH, they are worse historically and played in lower leagues until joining the B10. I’d put that program higher than MN.
 



I have been saying the Gophers are a problem for a while. Tubby Smith wass shocked at the state of our facilities when he got here. All of our coaches have struggled mightily to have success since Clem and that's not all on the coaches ability, a lot of that is the program/school.

We are second rate. The Timberwolves have had similar issues. When KG got traded to the Celtics he marveled at how different the culture around basketball was in that franchise. Arod and Lore were against at some of the amenities at Target Center such as how absolutely low rate one of the main areas that players and media have to go through to get into TC looked. They immediately got to work making it better.

All of that stuff matters. You have to have good facilities, high booster engagement, University funding, etc. The Gophers haven't made that a priority.
 


I have been saying the Gophers are a problem for a while. Tubby Smith wass shocked at the state of our facilities when he got here. All of our coaches have struggled mightily to have success since Clem and that's not all on the coaches ability, a lot of that is the program/school.

We are second rate. The Timberwolves have had similar issues. When KG got traded to the Celtics he marveled at how different the culture around basketball was in that franchise. Arod and Lore were against at some of the amenities at Target Center such as how absolutely low rate one of the main areas that players and media have to go through to get into TC looked. They immediately got to work making it better.

All of that stuff matters. You have to have good facilities, high booster engagement, University funding, etc. The Gophers haven't made that a priority.
I think Clem was extraordinary, and he succeded in spite of all those things. I must emphasize, though, that practically all of this can be overcome. Rather than an excuse for continued struggles in the future, these things and others serve as a to-do list.

As I noted, this program has some inherent disadvantages, but so does almost every other program in the country. I remember reading an article--an interview with Mark Few about the early days of his tenure and all the things that needed to be improved if they were to be a major program and realize what he and other visionaries saw as its potential. And they did all those things, and the rest is history.

I see Niko's energy and vision and knowhow, and I know that he can get it done, but it can't be just him alone.
 



IMO, schools in the conversation for the second worst (basketball) job in the Big Ten (after Penn State). Fan interest & recent history among my criteria:

Iowa (fans don’t care about hoops)
Minnesota (see record of last 2 coaches)
Northwestern (fantastic coach, but still NU)
Rutgers (money doesn’t buy winning)
Washington (much like Gophers program)

Nebraska fans are too da*n loyal for me to put Huskers on the list. Resources are there, but Freddy needs to start cashing that in.
 

IMO, schools in the conversation for the second worst (basketball) job in the Big Ten (after Penn State). Fan interest & recent history among my criteria:

Iowa (fans don’t care about hoops)
Minnesota (see record of last 2 coaches)
Northwestern (fantastic coach, but still NU)
Rutgers (money doesn’t buy winning)
Washington (much like Gophers program)

Nebraska fans are too da*n loyal for me to put Huskers on the list. Resources are there, but Freddy needs to start cashing that in.
Iowa isn’t on that list really because they have been moderately successful for a long time - certainly more successful than Nebraska has ever been (who care about football and volleyball > hoops). We forget about USC who rivals PSU for empty arenas.
 

Iowa isn’t on that list really because they have been moderately successful for a long time - certainly more successful than Nebraska has ever been (who care about football and volleyball > hoops). We forget about USC who rivals PSU for empty arenas.
Interesting what defines what should be on the list. Iowa has been okay but not great for a long time and their arena was less than half full most of this year. They were through with Fran. At this level the definition is going to be altered over time. Very few fan bases are going to be satisfied with consistently okay over a long period of time. All of them, even us, will begin to demand higher levels of success to stay with it.

I’ll throw in that I think one of the biggest disadvantages we have is the number of sports entertainment options we have. Nebraska doesn’t have that issue. Iowa really doesn’t either. I’m with Selection that Nebraskas loyalty is borderline shocking, but they have few other options which I think contributes to that.
 

You're right. He has a fringe audience at best, and usually makes outlandish predictions/statements for the sake of attention. He's nothing to garner too much time thinking about.
The facilities at MN are first class. Athletic areas/training facilites/nutritional are are fantastic. Tubby would be proud of his early efforts. The locker room at the Barn is terrific, and the venue is historically iconic. Fan experience can be improved, but players don't know about the troughs or concessions.
The weather in MN can be cold for about 3mo., but basketball is an indoor sport. Larry Bird didn't have a tan, and I'd take MN over Lubbock any day.
Honest question then - why have we been so bad in BB the last 25 years then? Admin support? Bad coach hires? Something else?
 




Honest question then - why have we been so bad in BB the last 25 years then? Admin support? Bad coach hires? Something else?
Bad Admin support tops the list:
1. Not backing Clem, Deinhart and Boston.
3. Lying to Tubby about a practice facility.
4. Hiring Megamouth Norwood Teague.
5. Hiring two inexperienced coaches in a row: Pitino and Johnson.

I think we’ve finally righted the basketball ship. Hopefully Coyle can provide all the support and facility improvements needed to bring the program to a consistent tournament qualifier. I guess that would be a minimum top 9 B1G team.
 



Since the '72 Ohio St./MN fight under Musselman which involved a groin kick and many other ugly incidents, MN basketball has been affected negatively. As Hannibal Lector stated in "Hannibal", "People don't always say what they are thinking. They just make sure you don't... advance".
Since that date, MN has been under the microscope of the NCAA, suffered multiple infractions of varying scope and severity. 1. Coach Musselman's low-brow "Circus" marketing the program via on-court acts prior to games, intensity training and intimidation techniques in efforts (successful) to get people into the Barn. 2. Foreign student Mychal Thompson in a 1974 period of Gopher resurgence admittedly sold his issued tickets for $178 under Coach Jim Dutcher. Thompson was prohibited from playing by the NCAA, and MN refused to abide by that ruling and played anyway. MN was issued 2 yrs probation, played remarkable basketball with McHale, Saunders, Williams--and Dutcher resigned. 3. After a Wisconsin road win in 1986, three players were arrested at the airport for sexual assault of a student who pointed them out as they boarded the plane home. The players were thrown off the team without due process, and MN considered forfeiting the rest of the season. After a few days of thought, MN elected to play out the games in fairness to the rest of the players who were uninvolved. No convictions, and the case was tossed but the damage had been done. 4. Under Clem Haskins a jilted tutor, Jan Gangelhof wrote some classwork for scholarship basketball players, blew the whistle after 3 years, and Haskins was forced out. MN was placed on 4 years probation without scholarships-basically a death penalty. 5. Defensive Player of the Year Reggie Lynch accused of sexual misconduct April 2016 was thrown off the team, expulsion from UofM under Richard Pitino. No charges ultimately filed but Lynch was forced to move on and play pro ball in Europe. Other smaller incidents not mentioned.. Royce White.
With this history, combined with the George Floyd incident in Mnpls, MN basketball was very selective in hiring Ben Johnson, a former player and asst. at MN. I believe he was charged by AD Coyle to stay away from recruiting trouble makers , build a culture squeaky clean, free of controversy. Also, do so under the assumption that administration did not approve of NIL or paying players, taking a very high road of elite snobbery from such things. Thus, Johnson wasn't supported by the school or the City due to team record/performance, and not "competing for championships".
Although MN as an urban campus has far more distractions for student athletes than most P5 schools, they have kept a clean reputation since the Lynch-ing. Coach Medved HAS been given some tools to succeed--about $5M, and PJ Fleck has done superbly with his resources building a competitive football program. We'll see what the future holds, but as a long-term fan I can't help but believe the powers that be--Univ. Regents, NCAA incl. officials are out to make sure MN "doesn't...advance".
 
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I’ll throw in that I think one of the biggest disadvantages we have is the number of sports entertainment options we have.

Yes, and it's not just sports entertainment options. The Twin Cities likely has more non-sporting entertainment options than a multiple Big Ten hometowns. All sports and no culture makes John a dull boy, especially where most women are concerned.
 



Yes, and it's not just sports entertainment options. The Twin Cities likely has more non-sporting entertainment options than a multiple Big Ten hometowns. All sports and no culture makes John a dull boy, especially where most women are concerned.
Sports is enough culture for me.
 

Bad Admin support tops the list:
1. Not backing Clem, Deinhart and Boston.
3. Lying to Tubby about a practice facility.
4. Hiring Megamouth Norwood Teague.
5. Hiring two inexperienced coaches in a row: Pitino and Johnson.

I think we’ve finally righted the basketball ship. Hopefully Coyle can provide all the support and facility improvements needed to bring the program to a consistent tournament qualifier. I guess that would be a minimum top 9 B1G team.
#3 was pretty underrated I feel like. Not saying he could have pulled a UK job, but it would have been fun to watch
 
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Bad Admin support tops the list:
1. Not backing Clem, Deinhart and Boston.
3. Lying to Tubby about a practice facility.
4. Hiring Megamouth Norwood Teague.
5. Hiring two inexperienced coaches in a row: Pitino and Johnson.

I think we’ve finally righted the basketball ship. Hopefully Coyle can provide all the support and facility improvements needed to bring the program to a consistent tournament qualifier. I guess that would be a minimum top 9 B1G team.
That to me has been our largest issue. I thought we learned our lesson with Pitino, only to stub our toe (ok, broke our leg) yet again!
 


Since the '72 Ohio St./MN fight under Musselman which involved a groin kick and many other ugly incidents, MN basketball has been affected negatively. As Hannibal Lector stated in "Hannibal", "People don't always say what they are thinking. They just make sure you don't... advance".
Since that date, MN has been under the microscope of the NCAA, suffered multiple infractions of varying scope and severity. 1. Coach Musselman's low-brow "Circus" marketing the program via on-court acts prior to games, intensity training and intimidation techniques in efforts (successful) to get people into the Barn. 2. Foreign student Mychal Thompson in a 1974 period of Gopher resurgence admittedly sold his issued tickets for $178 under Coach Jim Dutcher. Thompson was prohibited from playing by the NCAA, and MN refused to abide by that ruling and played anyway. MN was issued 2 yrs probation, played remarkable basketball with McHale, Saunders, Williams--and Dutcher resigned. 3. After a Wisconsin road win in 1986, three players were arrested at the airport for sexual assault of a student who pointed them out as they boarded the plane home. The players were thrown off the team without due process, and MN considered forfeiting the rest of the season. After a few days of thought, MN elected to play out the games in fairness to the rest of the players who were uninvolved. No convictions, and the case was tossed but the damage had been done. 4. Under Clem Haskins a jilted tutor, Jan Gangelhof wrote some classwork for scholarship basketball players, blew the whistle after 3 years, and Haskins was forced out. MN was placed on 4 years probation without scholarships-basically a death penalty. 5. Defensive Player of the Year Reggie Lynch accused of sexual misconduct April 2016 was thrown off the team, expulsion from UofM under Richard Pitino. No charges ultimately filed but Lynch was forced to move on and play pro ball in Europe. Other smaller incidents not mentioned.. Royce White.
With this history, combined with the George Floyd incident in Mnpls, MN basketball was very selective in hiring Ben Johnson, a former player and asst. at MN. I believe he was charged by AD Coyle to stay away from recruiting trouble makers , build a culture squeaky clean, free of controversy. Also, do so under the assumption that administration did not approve of NIL or paying players, taking a very high road of elite snobbery from such things. Thus, Johnson wasn't supported by the school or the City due to team record/performance, and not "competing for championships".
Although MN as an urban campus has far more distractions for student athletes than most P5 schools, they have kept a clean reputation since the Lynch-ing. Coach Medved HAS been given some tools to succeed--about $5M, and PJ Fleck has done superbly with his resources building a competitive football program. We'll see what the future holds, but as a long-term fan I can't help but believe the powers that be--Univ. Regents, NCAA incl. officials are out to make sure MN "doesn't...advance".
Now do UNC! 🕺
 

My luke warm take: Medved has already surpassed my wildest expectations as has the DTA. It appears fundraising is going well, unless I missed the memo. Transfer portal acquisitions seem like a capable group. The U president is playing along nicely to the sports mantras of "raise money." Year zero was 3 years ago in Alstad and we figured it out in a hurry after Ben's termination. For now, I am giving the empty suit AD credit for a job well done. I love it when a program goes from zero to 230 in how many days? Seems like yesterday. All other story lines--meh.
 





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