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I’m so sick and tired of this narrative, that’s not how football works.
Um ... that's exactly how football works. Every close loss players and coaches look back at one or two plays and go, "If only." Otherwise, I agree with everything else you had. I do think something clicked for P.J. this season.
 







The question was about expectations for the program given the climate today. Assuming the BiG stays the same for the next five years, here's what I think are reasonable goals:
1. Win 11 of the 15 non-conference games.
2. Beat Iowa/Wisconsin 4 of the 10 games
3. Win 22 of the 35 remaining conference games
4. Win 2 of 4 bowl games

That's winning 37 of the 60 regular season games on a typical season of 7-5, 8-4.
 

Um ... that's exactly how football works. Every close loss players and coaches look back at one or two plays and go, "If only." Otherwise, I agree with everything else you had. I do think something clicked for P.J. this season.
That thought process is what the “going 1-0” narrative tries to combat. Previous results are things to learn from and I don’t know if the same lessons would have been learned if they had “gotten away” with certain wins. Butterfly effect and all that.
 

It's college football. Every one of our opponents is losing a bunch of key guys.

Transfer portal allows much more freedom to quick-patch holes. Underclassmen will step up.

I think Daniel Jackson will be the hardest player to replace after the QB spot. The Gophers have a mostly awful track record with transfer receivers but will need to hit on a couple for 2025.
Yup, but teams also go out of their way to peak with good classes. It’s the reason that Wisconsin is so bad this year. They are finding their guys for 3 years from now.

They look weak with a Sophomore QB and new offense right now. They won’t next year.
 



It reminds me of a conversation with a Michigan football fan back in 2017 or 2018. He said Minnesota CFB will never be nationally relevant.

I wasn't willing to accept that then. Not sure I'm ready now. If there is even a little bit of hope that we can get into the playoffs occasionally, I'll hang onto that.
If you had asked a well informed CFB fan after the 2003 Sun Bowl who between Minnesota and Oregon was more like to win a championship in the next decade, people would have said Minnesota.

Tides come and go. All it takes is a salary cap or a wealthy donor and Minnesota can do it too.
 



If they win 7 or 8 regular season games next season I would not say that. The other thing to factor in is games they lose that they should win and if they have any good wins. Illinois their only decent win this year imo. USC next best win.

We’ve beat Iowa once in Fleck’s tenure.
Coming into this season, I 100% would have agreed with you. However, what Indiana did this year so far is nothing short of remarkable. Now, this is not because Indiana is reinventing football so they can compete with inferior talent. What Indiana has done is get a lucky schedule and win the 50/50 games. There is absolutely no reason that Minnesota cannot accomplish the same thing. Don’t tell me Indiana Football has better recruiting grounds, better legacy, or better administration support.

However, I think it changes the thinking on certain things – such as there is now ZERO point in scheduling a tough OOC game in our first 4 games. What matter is WINNING. As long as we are in the B1G, if we can run the OOC games and win the 50/50 games, we can do the same thing.

I have never been a big Fleck guy but I think he is literally on the cusp of doing just this if he can make a few changes. He is like Mason – if Mason had 100% committed to Minnesota and 100% applied himself to recruiting, we could have accomplished the same. For Fleck, he has to give up some control on offense and turn over in-game coaching to others because through 8 years, he has proven he is not good at these things.
 



Ersery will be the difficult to replace. Cooper and Carroll are below average B1G O lineman. This was the worst OL of the Fleck era, and I look forward to some new bodies there next year.
They did recruit some good o-lineman last year. Roy was very highly rated and Carroll wasn’t too far behind as both were 4 stars on 247. Plus you have a few guys in the program for a while who have appeared a bit like Beers and Nelson. I think there is some talent there, plus you have the portal.
 




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