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If they go to 16 we have a better chance to get in...everybody ready?
Of course our 11 and 1 surprise finish this year will still get us in with only 12 seeds.
 


GophersInIowa said:
I think the better route would be to give top 4 conference champs the bye but then reseed after the 1st round based on rankings.
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I think the better route would be to do exactly what we just done but come up with an objective formula for seeding (that could include a conference championship in the formula if they wanted) rather than a bunch of people in the back room cutting deals.
Georgia would’ve been the two seed last year but they had multiple losses and no quarterback entering the playoff. Stupid
 



watertown 1987 guy n said:
In hindsight there will always be reasons to question the process. In the end, the best team wins.
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More true now than ever.
But in the end, injuries and attrition also play a role.
Seeding matters a ton. Byes matter a ton
 


Some guy said:
Georgia would’ve been the two seed last year but they had multiple losses and no quarterback entering the playoff. Stupid
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Wasn't Georgia the two seed anyways?

As for the other bolded, interesting you bring that up, since most on here did not agree with Florida State being left out 2 years ago when Jordan Travis went down.

I can't recall where you stood on that, but most of the board felt like FSU should have gotten in.
 



Full Speed Ahead said:
The SEC got smacked in the last playoff, so they had to change the rules.
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Nah, I think it's more that people don't wanna watch teams like Boise St. cruise to a first round bye every year while SEC and B1G teams have to bust their asses to win their conference.

Plus, even the ACC commissioner said it's better for the sport, even though it's not better for the ACC.

It only hurts the fans who naively think the rest of the country is on par with the SEC and B1G. Thankfully there is a small number of them.
 

Finally I won't have to hear about poor Notre Dame not being able to get a bye
 

Last year's weak Penn State bracket with SMU and then Boise soured everyone. Boise was barely a true top 25 team much less a top 4 seed. Then top ranked Oregon getting screwed being in the Ohio State bracket didn't help.

I'd like to stick with the 4 bye/auto bids If conferences were closer in talent, but the Big 12 has taken a huge step back. To make it worse, the ACC had a fluke year with a very flawed Clemson team winning the championship. That's what put Boise in the top 4.

All that, in the end, the best team won as WatertownGuy above posted.
 

The reason I liked the way it was set up to begin with is that all the teams that got a bye had played in a conference championship game...won...and earned the week off. I don't like the idea of a team not qualifying for the conference championship game, getting a bye and in essence get a two week bye to be set up into the quarter finals.
 



EcgopherFan said:
The reason I liked the way it was set up to begin with is that all the teams that got a bye had played in a conference championship game...won...and earned the week off. I don't like the idea of a team not qualifying for the conference championship game, getting a bye and in essence get a two week bye to be set up into the quarter finals.
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I believe it would become 30-31 day break if they didn't make Conference championship game and got a bye. Their last game would be Thanksgiving weekend and with a bye would sit until new years and that did not play well for most of the teams last year.
 

EcgopherFan said:
The reason I liked the way it was set up to begin with is that all the teams that got a bye had played in a conference championship game...won...and earned the week off. I don't like the idea of a team not qualifying for the conference championship game, getting a bye and in essence get a two week bye to be set up into the quarter finals.
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I could get behind this, except for what @Panthadad2 had said - the conferences aren't close enough in talent.

Boise State probably would be a 7-8 win team in the B1G yet they get a first round bye?
 

GopherTheJugular said:
Wasn't Georgia the two seed anyways?

As for the other bolded, interesting you bring that up, since most on here did not agree with Florida State being left out 2 years ago when Jordan Travis went down.

I can't recall where you stood on that, but most of the board felt like FSU should have gotten in.
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I think Georgia shouldn’t have been downgraded for losing QB

I also thought Florida state should’ve been in.

I do think the results on the field matter: they shouldn’t have been the two seed with 2 losses


Regardless;
The fact the committee downgraded Florida state for no QB but didn’t downgrade Georgia for same situation is why the committee sucks. The only thing worse than bad policy is inconsistently applied policy.

I would have less of a problem with Florida state being left out if Georgia would’ve been treated the same the following season
 

Some guy said:
I think Georgia shouldn’t have been downgraded for losing QB

I also thought Florida state should’ve been in.

I do think the results on the field matter: they shouldn’t have been the two seed with 2 losses


Regardless;
The fact the committee downgraded Florida state for no QB but didn’t downgrade Georgia for same situation is why the committee sucks. The only thing worse than bad policy is inconsistently applied policy.

I would have less of a problem with Florida state being left out if Georgia would’ve been treated the same the following season
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Thanks for the clarification, especially the bolded. Hard to defend that one, maybe the only possible *reasoning* would be Travis was the star of the team whereas Beck was just an average player among lots of NFL talent. But still, the optics look bad.
 

Some guy said:
I think Georgia shouldn’t have been downgraded for losing QB

I also thought Florida state should’ve been in.

I do think the results on the field matter: they shouldn’t have been the two seed with 2 losses


Regardless;
The fact the committee downgraded Florida state for no QB but didn’t downgrade Georgia for same situation is why the committee sucks. The only thing worse than bad policy is inconsistently applied policy.

I would have less of a problem with Florida state being left out if Georgia would’ve been treated the same the following season
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If Mahomes goes down week 16, the Chiefs don't lose their seeding in the playoffs based on that injury. The same should hold true in this case.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
Nah, I think it's more that people don't wanna watch teams like Boise St. cruise to a first round bye every year while SEC and B1G teams have to bust their asses to win their conference.

Plus, even the ACC commissioner said it's better for the sport, even though it's not better for the ACC.

It only hurts the fans who naively think the rest of the country is on par with the SEC and B1G. Thankfully there is a small number of them.
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I think too many people want there to be matchups that will personally entertain them rather than having teams like Boise in the playoffs that have earned their way in via the regular season as it works in every other sport. I'd rather see the SBC or CUSA champion in the playoffs over say, a fifth place in the SEC Alabama.
 

disco said:
If Mahomes goes down week 16, the Chiefs don't lose their seeding in the playoffs based on that injury. The same should hold true in this case.
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I agree with you
But if they downgrade Kansas City for losing their QB in 2025 they better downgrade Philly for losing theirs in 2026

I would’ve had Georgia lower with their QB though.
My rankings would’ve been
Oregon
Notre Dame
Ohio state
Penn state
Georgia
Texas

In that order even before the injury. And I would’ve been proven mostly correct on the field.


And yes, I mostly believe not losing is more impressive than losing to a quality team.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
I could get behind this, except for what @Panthadad2 had said - the conferences aren't close enough in talent.

Boise State probably would be a 7-8 win team in the B1G yet they get a first round bye?
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Why shouldn't they? If they are so inferior to the SEC and Big Ten as you surmise the bye will only delay the inevitable. There is no harm in the old rules.
 

Dave H said:
Why shouldn't they? If they are so inferior to the SEC and Big Ten as you surmise the bye will only delay the inevitable. There is no harm in the old rules.
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While true that they will eventually get curb-stomped, in the meantime they are taking the bye away from a team that is truly top 4 but had to step aside for Boise State.
 

disco said:
I think too many people want there to be matchups that will personally entertain them rather than having teams like Boise in the playoffs that have earned their way in via the regular season as it works in every other sport. I'd rather see the SBC or CUSA champion in the playoffs over say, a fifth place in the SEC Alabama.
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I think I get where you're coming from, but I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion. It's not that Alabama will be more entertaining than a G5 team, it's more so that people like me perceive it as inviting minor league teams to the MLB playoffs. Only the big dogs should get to compete. And if you wanna compete with the big dogs, get on a P4 team.

Earning their way in for Boise State is a lot easier than for a lot of more talented B1G and SEC teams.

But I suppose some people wanna hold out hope that Glass Joe can land one every now and then.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
I think I get where you're coming from, but I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion. It's not that Alabama will be more entertaining than a G5 team, it's more so that people like me perceive it as inviting minor league teams to the MLB playoffs. Only the big dogs should get to compete. And if you wanna compete with the big dogs, get on a P4 team.

Earning their way in for Boise State is a lot easier than for a lot of more talented B1G and SEC teams.

But I suppose some people wanna hold out hope that Glass Joe can land one every now and then.
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I've said this many times, but then there needs to be a formal split between the P4 and G5 conferences and the way they run their postseasons. I still maintain that it should be a 16 team tournament with ALL FBS conference champions as auto bids, and 7 at large, but no seeding advantage for conference winners.

All conference champs are auto bid at every other level of college football. Yes that means the UMAC champ gets destroyed in the D3 playoffs, and the Pioneer champ usually gets destroyed at FCS, but they still earned their way in.
 

disco said:
I've said this many times, but then there needs to be a formal split between the P4 and G5 conferences and the way they run their postseasons.
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Would you settle for excluding them from the CFP but allowing P4 teams to schedule a game against them, kind of like how it was with FCS teams during the BCS era? You could play one per year and they got the nice payday from it, but everyone knew they weren't competing for the same post season that FBS teams were.

A win-win for both of us, no?
 

disco said:
I still maintain that it should be a 16 team tournament with ALL FBS conference champions as auto bids, and 7 at large, but no seeding advantage for conference winners.
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After the Georgia/TCU bloodbath from not too long ago, I doubt TV is going to want to televise Georgia vs. Incarnate Word anytime soon. And why would anyone wanna watch it if they did?

disco said:
All conference champs are auto bid at every other level of college football.
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Levels lots of people don't care about. Easier to deal with blowouts if the only fans are the people in the stands, vs. the tens of millions they try and market the CFP to.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
Would you settle for excluding them from the CFP but allowing P4 teams to schedule a game against them, kind of like how it was with FCS teams during the BCS era? You could play one per year and they got the nice payday from it, but everyone knew they weren't competing for the same post season that FBS teams were.

A win-win for both of us, no?
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Sure, but then the G5 should have their own post-season playoffs and championship. Otherwise, why are those teams playing?

Literally every single D1 basketball team has a shot, no matter how remote, at winning a national title. Literally every single FCS and lower (with the exception of the HBCUs and Ivies who historically opt out of postseason play) division football team has a shot, no matter how remote, at winning a national title.

The attitude that the G5 are at the same level as the P4, but we're going to exclude them from the playoffs because entertainment reasons isn't how the system should work.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
After the Georgia/TCU bloodbath from not too long ago, I doubt TV is going to want to televise Georgia vs. Incarnate Word anytime soon. And why would anyone wanna watch it if they did?



Levels lots of people don't care about. Easier to deal with blowouts if the only fans are the people in the stands, vs. the tens of millions they try and market the CFP to.
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So you're readily admitting this is about TV ratings and your entertainment value than it is about teams actually competing on the field for championships. Just be honest.

Never mind that part of the reason people love March Madness is the upsets.
 


disco said:
Sure, but then the G5 should have their own post-season playoffs and championship. Otherwise, why are those teams playing?
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Agree, give them their own playoffs like was done for FCS.

disco said:
The attitude that the G5 are at the same level as the P4,
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Is any sober person saying that?

disco said:
but we're going to exclude them from the playoffs because entertainment reasons isn't how the system should work.
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"Entertainment" is the point of it all, isn't it? The networks didn't shell out all this money because deep down they are college football purists.

Pro sports can do a playoff like you suggest where everyone "has a chance" because there are a limited number of teams and so the discrepancy in talent isn't that wide.
 

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