Seantrel's visit to OSU

[ust4life]

I really don't know what else he could want.

I do, it's simple. Maybe a National Title?

Listen, I'm as big of a gopher fan as everyone else is here, but let's be realistic. With or without Seantrel, we aren't going to be winning a NC in the next 4 years. A B10 title? Possibly. A National Championship? No Chance.

 

[GoAUpher]

And let's be honest if a title is his goal Minnesota is not only not going to be competing for a BCS title any time soon they're probably not ever going to compete for one.

If things fall their way a Big Ten title competitor from time to time MAYBE but not a serious BCS title contender.

That was my point (I just choose more optimistic phrasing ). Landing him would be a coup and would provide a big boost. But we're not on the same playing field as his main options in a few pretty important areas which is why I've tempered my enthusiasm about the whole thing.

 

[Gopher4life15]

My take on Seantrel is pretty simple, choosing not be here in Minnesota for the first game in the new digs pretty much tells me everything I need to know. If he was a kid who was in love with the U and really wanted to play here. I think he would want to be at the very first game in his back yard at the new place plane and simple.

I sure do hope I am wrong and he chooses to stay at home and be a Gopher in the end, but I just don't see it happening.

 

[grunkiejr]

Just like I thought. Big talk with nothing to back it up.

So, Mr. Insider, how do you explain that he's taking official visits to watch USC play 3 times this year? You really believe he had no idea that Ohio State was playing them on Sept. 12, and he just so happened to schedule his visit that day? Ditto for Notre Dame? If you really believe that, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

I mean, it's not like his father looked at the schedule, noted the "believable" (read: Midwest and storied) schools USC was playing this year, and included them in his official visits. Nope, that didn't happen at all.

I'm obviously not encouraged by him seeing USC 3 times but I think it is a fairly easy explanation. High school athletes want to be on the big stage against quality opponents. It doesn't get any bigger than playing USC so that is the game that Ohio State and Notre Dame worked to get Seantrel to visit. OSU had the 7 prospects that they have highest on their board visit for the USC game which shows that this was a big recruiting weekend for them.

If you go back to 2007, Brewster chose to make the game against Ohio State our biggest recruiting weekend bringing in the boys from Skyline as well as some other high profile prospects all of which ended up committing. Don't be surprised in 2010 when Minnesota decides to make Sept 18 (USC) the biggest recruiting weekend of the season.

And by the way, that trip to see USC at Notre Dame is not a foregone conclusion. There are a lot of rumors flying around that he is going to cancel that trip and take an OV to Michigan instead.

 

[MBAGuy]

And by the way, that trip to see USC at Notre Dame is not a foregone conclusion. There are a lot of rumors flying around that he is going to cancel that trip and take an OV to Michigan instead.

Ugh. That's about the worst news ever, outside of him taking an OV to Wisconsin or Iowa. It's a good thing I'm still high on life from the game/experience last Saturday.

 

[grunkiejr]

Ugh. That's about the worst news ever, outside of him taking an OV to Wisconsin or Iowa. It's a good thing I'm still high on life from the game/experience last Saturday.

I'm not excited about the prospect of him at UM or ND but at least it would be a sign that he is interested in games that don't involve USC.

 

[Section2]

Just like I thought. Big talk with nothing to back it up.

So, Mr. Insider, how do you explain that he's taking official visits to watch USC play 3 times this year? You really believe he had no idea that Ohio State was playing them on Sept. 12, and he just so happened to schedule his visit that day? Ditto for Notre Dame? If you really believe that, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

I mean, it's not like his father looked at the schedule, noted the "believable" (read: Midwest and storied) schools USC was playing this year, and included them in his official visits. Nope, that didn't happen at all.

What do YOU have to back it up? You have a cockamayme theory on why he's seeing USC play multiple times. If I had a free visit to OSU and could see them play in any of their home games, I'd pick USC, and I'd bet most 18 year olds and most GH'ers would as well. Sounds like the best game to me. Your explanation is plausible, I won't deny, but your overconfidence that you understand this kid and are 100% right is flat out EMBARRASSING for you. Get over yourself.

 

[Schnoodler]

Just like I thought. Big talk with nothing to back it up.

So, Mr. Insider, how do you explain that he's taking official visits to watch USC play 3 times this year? You really believe he had no idea that Ohio State was playing them on Sept. 12, and he just so happened to schedule his visit that day? Ditto for Notre Dame? If you really believe that, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

I mean, it's not like his father looked at the schedule, noted the "believable" (read: Midwest and storied) schools USC was playing this year, and included them in his official visits. Nope, that didn't happen at all.

Grunk is not the one making outlandish claims. He is not the one that needs to defend his statements. you do, where is your inside info coming. You're saying it's 119/1, that's a reach by any standards without inside info. Do you have it or are you a complete tool making claims without anything to back it up. out with it, we're waiting.

 

[pharmacygopher]

I'm obviously not encouraged by him seeing USC 3 times but I think it is a fairly easy explanation. High school athletes want to be on the big stage against quality opponents. It doesn't get any bigger than playing USC so that is the game that Ohio State and Notre Dame worked to get Seantrel to visit. OSU had the 7 prospects that they have highest on their board visit for the USC game which shows that this was a big recruiting weekend for them.

If you go back to 2007, Brewster chose to make the game against Ohio State our biggest recruiting weekend bringing in the boys from Skyline as well as some other high profile prospects all of which ended up committing. Don't be surprised in 2010 when Minnesota decides to make Sept 18 (USC) the biggest recruiting weekend of the season.

And by the way, that trip to see USC at Notre Dame is not a foregone conclusion. There are a lot of rumors flying around that he is going to cancel that trip and take an OV to Michigan instead.

What do YOU have to back it up? You have a cockamayme theory on why he's seeing USC play multiple times. If I had a free visit to OSU and could see them play in any of their home games, I'd pick USC, and I'd bet most 18 year olds and most GH'ers would as well. Sounds like the best game to me. Your explanation is plausible, I won't deny, but your overconfidence that you understand this kid and are 100% right is flat out EMBARRASSING for you. Get over yourself.

Grunk is not the one making outlandish claims. He is not the one that needs to defend his statements. you do, where is your inside info coming. You're saying it's 119/1, that's a reach by any standards without inside info. Do you have it or are you a complete tool making claims without anything to back it up. out with it, we're waiting.

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[dpodoll68]

Listen jerkoffs, I'm not the one who came in here and said:

You really have no idea what you are talking about on this subject and probably should cease pretending you do.

By definition, speculation is not "right" or "wrong". That is why they call it speculation. I'm supposed to sit back and not defend myself, when his opinion is no more right or wrong than mine? Yeah, that's not going to happen.

your overconfidence that you understand this kid and are 100% right is flat out EMBARRASSING for you

Feel free to point out in this thread where I said that I am 100% right, or that anybody else was wrong. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Your overconfidence that you understand basic reading comprehension is flat out EMBARRASSING for you.

Grunk is not the one making outlandish claims.

It's an outlandish claim that he is taking official visits to watch USC play 3 times this year? To the contrary, that is not a claim; it is a fact.

You're saying it's 119/1, that's a reach by any standards without inside info.

Look man, if you don't understand basic probability, I can't help you out. Assuming that the #1 recruit in the country is not going to a DI-AA, DII, or DIII school, and that there are 120 DI-A schools in the country, and everything else being equal, the odds are 119:1 against him going to any one particular school. I just happen to like my particular 119:1 pick so much that I'm willing to give grunkie the other 119 119:1 picks, at even money. There's a mathematics/gambling lesson for you, pro bono. Let me know if you don't understand.

 

[Schnoodler]

Are you really this dumb? I didn't think you were, but now???

 

[dpodoll68]

Are you really this dumb? I didn't think you were, but now???

Please enlighten me. No really, I've got all day.

 

[grunkiejr]

I agree, mentioning that the is taking visits to schools when they play USC is not outlandish; the outlandish comment was that Ohio State and Minnesota each had a 0.01% chance of landing Seantrel and you stated it as fact rather than opinion (0.01% does not = 119:1 either).

You have opinions and it doesn't appear that you are afraid to share them. Most of the time I agree with your opinions but sometimes I don't. If you would have stated that you didn't think we had a chance I probably wouldn't have said anything but you stated your opinion as fact which is a pet peeve of mine and is the reason I responded the way I did.

And on your gambling lesson, the odds are 119:1 if recruiting is a random selection. Recruiting is not a random selection process. For instance, we can reasonably eliminate schools from the MAC, WAC, MWC, CUSA and Sun Belt + Army & Navy which would instantly reduce the probability of all BCS schools (including Notre Dame) to ~66:1. Beyond that he chooses schools to visit (officially and unofficially) and those are the only schools that have a realistic chance to land Seantrel. Further, national analysts mention USC, Ohio State, and Minnesota the most frequently as contenders with Florida, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, and Michigan as the others that seem to have a reasonable chance. Without handicapping any of them each school has a 1/7 chance or 14.3% if the national analysts are correct that only those 7 have a chance. From there you can handicap each school as you wish but placing any of those 7 at 0.01% seems like a stretch in my mind.

And your $5 bet does nothing for me. If I knew you I'd bet a beer on it but I don't so why bother? If you want to do a bet on this site I would prefer a signature bet where the loser uses a mutually agreed upon signature for a predetermined period of time.

 

[dpodoll68]

I agree, mentioning that the is taking visits to schools when they play USC is not outlandish; the outlandish comment was that Ohio State and Minnesota each had a 0.01% chance of landing Seantrel and you stated it as fact rather than opinion (0.01% does not = 119:1 either).

You have opinions and it doesn't appear that you are afraid to share them. Most of the time I agree with your opinions but sometimes I don't. If you would have stated that you didn't think we had a chance I probably wouldn't have said anything but you stated your opinion as fact which is a pet peeve of mine and is the reason I responded the way I did.

And on your gambling lesson, the odds are 119:1 if recruiting is a random selection. Recruiting is not a random selection process. For instance, we can reasonably eliminate schools from the MAC, WAC, MWC, CUSA and Sun Belt + Army & Navy which would instantly reduce the probability of all BCS schools (including Notre Dame) to ~66:1. Beyond that he chooses schools to visit (officially and unofficially) and those are the only schools that have a realistic chance to land Seantrel. Further, national analysts mention USC, Ohio State, and Minnesota the most frequently as contenders with Florida, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, and Michigan as the others that seem to have a reasonable chance. Without handicapping any of them each school has a 1/7 chance or 14.3% if the national analysts are correct that only those 7 have a chance. From there you can handicap each school as you wish but placing any of those 7 at 0.01% seems like a stretch in my mind.

And your $5 bet does nothing for me. If I knew you I'd bet a beer on it but I don't so why bother? If you want to do a bet on this site I would prefer a signature bet where the loser uses a mutually agreed upon signature for a predetermined period of time.

You're right in that when I said ".01%" it was hyperbole, and not a true representation of my feelings. And I was using 119:1 on the basis of the fact that you can have all other 119 "FBS" teams, and I'll take USC. Nothing more, nothing less. And of course it's not a fact. It is impossible for it to be a fact until he signs on the dotted line on February 3, 2010. I just don't qualify my opinions with a lame "imo" or anything like that. Of course it's "my opinion" - I'm the one who said it. I think you're really reading waaaay too much into this fact/opinion situation.

If you want my true "breakdown" on the subject, here's where I think the real odds are:

USC 87%
Florida 5%
Oklahoma 5%
Minnesota <1%
OSU <1%
Notre Dame <1%

with any potential darkhorses taking the minuscule remainder. Please note how I said "I think". I hope that qualifies it as my own personal opinion for you.

And you're on for the signature bet. You suggest one, PM it to me, and I will agree if I think it reasonable.

Btw, Schnoodler, I'm still waiting for enlightment on how "dumb" I am.