Sad story: Notre Dame o-line signee dies after falling off hotel balcony

His parents were in Cincinnati at the time. Reportedly the group had adult chaperones but none were present at the time of the fall.

Yeah but his parents paid for and allowed him to go...thinking what...oh they'll just go have a nice time playing chess on the beach... GET REAL!!!!!....My parents would have laughed at me had I asked to go on a Florida spring break vacation with some other kids parents and 40 kids from school when I was 17...and they would have most likely cited some tragedy like this one for one of their reasons why I can't...it sucks to say but besides maybe the person who provided the alcohol to them...This was on him and his parents period and now they have to live with the fact that their son was a drunken mess when he died hundreds of miles from home with all of his best friends around him.
 

I guess I just don't feel that it's my place to be judgmental toward parents that just had a tragic accident happen to their son. And I strongly dislike the kneejerk "what steps do we need to take to prevent this from ever happening again" reaction, and the loss of freedom every time we do that. Lots and lots of people get drunk in this country every day. Accidents like this are very rare. It's a tragedy, but has nothing to do with parenting or the 60s attitude. There are plenty of examples in our society where I'd agree with you, but this isn't one. We live in a drinking culture, and this is one of the consequences.
 

He WASN'T 21, he was 17. There is no way my parents would have let me go on spring break in high school. In fact, I wouldn't have even considered asking. I obviously don't know this family, so, what I'm going to state here is not meant directly at them, but rather at society. Too many parents now days want to be best friends with their children, instead of what they should be: loving authority figures.
Right, I'm saying this could have happened to a 17, 21, 25, 30 year old just as easily. We don't know that his parents wanted to be best friends with him. Maybe he was a heavily disciplined kid and they decided to reward him for his hard work and let him go to Florida with his buddies, before he spent the next 4 yrs working his ass off. Lots of judgmental people, I guess that's part of our culture as much as drinking.
 

Yes. Are you under the impression that high school kids don't drink or party?

That's not what you said. There's a big difference between drinking and partying at someone's house, and going on spring break where a lot of college kids are.
 

Yeah but his parents paid for and allowed him to go...thinking what...oh they'll just go have a nice time playing chess on the beach... GET REAL!!!!!....My parents would have laughed at me had I asked to go on a Florida spring break vacation with some other kids parents and 40 kids from school when I was 17...and they would have most likely cited some tragedy like this one for one of their reasons why I can't...it sucks to say but besides maybe the person who provided the alcohol to them...This was on him and his parents period and now they have to live with the fact that their son was a drunken mess when he died hundreds of miles from home with all of his best friends around him.

Yes - the trip included 40 students accompanied by ADULT chaperones.

If they can ID the person who provided the alcohol, I hope they prosecute him or her for it.
 


I am a 26 year old and three years removed from college. I maybe incredibly naive, but unless a lot has changed since I was a senior in high school 8 years ago (2002), not one of my friends or acquaintences went on a "Spring Break" trip.

Same here. I understand that high school kids drink all the time. I was just amazed that parents let 17 year olds go on a spring break trip like this. I thought that only happened when you were in college.

I don't know anyone who went on a spring break trip like this while still in high school. My girlfriend, who grew up in upstate New York said the same thing.
 

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers


Kids today are pretty awful right? Except that the above quote isn't exactly from today. It's from Socrates, according to Plato.

Or how about this one:

I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond
words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and
respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise
[disrespectful] and impatient of restraint"


That's from Hesiod, in the 8th century BC.

I know, you want something more recent...

"The world is passing through troublous times. The young people of
today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for
parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as
if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is
foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest
and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress."


That's from a sermon by someone named Peter the Hermit in 1274.

Every generation complains about the next generation, but the previous generation said the same about them. There has been drinking by high school students ever since both alcohol and high school have existed, even in the 40's and 50's. Leave it to Beaver is fiction.
 

Same here. I understand that high school kids drink all the time. I was just amazed that parents let 17 year olds go on a spring break trip like this. I thought that only happened when you were in college.

I don't know anyone who went on a spring break trip like this while still in high school. My girlfriend, who grew up in upstate New York said the same thing.

I don't get it. You're aware that 17 year olds drink and get drunk. But accidents like this only happen when they drink and get drunk in Florida? You come across as being jealous that you didn't get to go party somewhere warm on spring break so you don't think others should. 17 year olds get drunk and have accidents 100x more often at home most likely, but that doesn't make the news, spring break deaths do.
 

If they can ID the person who provided the alcohol, I hope they prosecute him or her for it.

Why? Are you under the delusion that prosecution will mean that kids will stop drinking or will reduce access to alcohol? Do you believe that bartenders should go to jail for overserving patrons? Or do you believe that responsibility rests with the individual? I doubt anyone forced this giant kid to drink. He made the decision and suffered the consequences. That's life.
 



That's not what you said. There's a big difference between drinking and partying at someone's house, and going on spring break where a lot of college kids are.

Ah, so in 5 months he'll be mature enough to handle partying with college kids, but he's ridiculously young and immature now. Got it.
 

Why? Are you under the delusion that prosecution will mean that kids will stop drinking or will reduce access to alcohol? Do you believe that bartenders should go to jail for overserving patrons? Or do you believe that responsibility rests with the individual? I doubt anyone forced this giant kid to drink. He made the decision and suffered the consequences. That's life.

well it's a crime to provide a person under 21 with alcohol...someone over 21 had to buy it and how did it get in to the hands of a minor?? then when you give a 17 year old alcohol or leave it where they could get it and he dies while under the influence of that alcohol. Legally speaking the person could very well be found liable for both criminally and/or civilly.
 

well it's a crime to provide a person under 21 with alcohol...someone over 21 had to buy it and how did it get in to the hands of a minor?? then when you give a 17 year old alcohol or leave it where they could get it and he dies while under the influence of that alcohol. Legally speaking the person could very well be found liable for both criminally and/or civilly.

Yes, I'm aware. I was wondering why you were cheering for the provider to get in trouble. Legally a bartender can be held liable if a patron drives drunk and hurts someone. Doesn't mean I agree with those laws.
 

Yes, I'm aware. I was wondering why you were cheering for the provider to get in trouble. Legally a bartender can be held liable if a patron drives drunk and hurts someone. Doesn't mean I agree with those laws.

You can go ahead and disagree all you want, but you are legally obligated to comply with the statutes, as are the bartenders.

Likewise, the individual(s) responsible for illegally providing this 17-year-old with alcohol are beholden to the law, regardless of your level of agreement. Further, because the horrible lapse in judgment resulted in the young man's death, they will probably be subject to civil penalties as well. I hope it was all worth it.
 






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