Rivals has added 6th graders to its football recruiting database

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This "pro-style QB prospect" is listed at 5'2" and 105lbs. He'll need a bit of a growth spurt I imagine.

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Go Gophers!!
 

This is so wrong on so many levels. Shame on Rivals!
 

UNNNNBELIEVABLE !! That is pretty ridiculous. I wonder if he is a 5* yet ? It would be real funny if he only grows 3 more in. and gains 25# by his senior year. This article should go real well...right next to his Elementary Graduation Certificate he received 9 months ago. SMH This seems it could be an "I found him first" kind of situation.
 

Another 10 years or so, and science will have progressed to the point where they'll be giving star ratings to fetuses.
 

Wow. I'm stunned. My son finished his 1st year of full-contact football (5th grade), and its hard for me to believe that there's precedent for there could be a scout or even a hyper-involved parent sending out their kid's videos as early as this fall. Crazy. The kids are so raw at this age, and none of them have even really entered puberty, where so much can change (including interest in football).
 


Rivals: A definite nominee for Keith Olbermann's "Worst Person in the Sports World".
 

Just another reason to not give a $hit about recruiting rankings.
 

Is this real?

These recruiting gurus are geeks. Nothing better to do than chase around 6th graders?
 






This pisses me off.

I mean, my oldest son is in 6th grade, and there is no film or profile on him. 5'4" 110, catches everything, runs great routes, 4.0 student.

I think that means I need to get more involved in his recruiting process.
 

This pisses me off.

I mean, my oldest son is in 6th grade, and there is no film or profile on him. 5'4" 110, catches everything, runs great routes, 4.0 student.

I think that means I need to get more involved in his recruiting process.

I hear ya. My 5th grade son 5'2", 125 lbs, played every snap at right guard, no false start penalties all season, only 1 hold, and 1 ineligible up field. Strong technique with run blocking, pass blocking needs work (especially footwork). Tends to get a froth going as the game goes on, and sustains his blocks until the whistle. Apparently I should be editing together a video for recruiting purposes.

Or maybe I could just let my son have fun playing football, and leave it at that.

Think I'll go with option 2.
 



I hear ya. My 5th grade son 5'2", 125 lbs, played every snap at right guard, no false start penalties all season, only 1 hold, and 1 ineligible up field. Strong technique with run blocking, pass blocking needs work (especially footwork). Tends to get a froth going as the game goes on, and sustains his blocks until the whistle. Apparently I should be editing together a video for recruiting purposes.

Or maybe I could just let my son have fun playing football, and leave it at that.

Think I'll go with option 2.

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Worst father ever!
 

I think he looks more like a dual threat than a pro-style. Why get pigeon holed so early?
 

Does SI still do their "this week's sign the apocalypse is upon us" segment? If they do, this definitely qualifies.
 


Just another reason to not give a $hit about recruiting rankings.

It's very easy to not "give a $hit about recruiting rankings" when you don't have your entire livelihood and seven-figure salaries riding on it, like actual football experts do.
 

Well, colleges have been following, recruiting, and offering middle school players football scholarships for at least 6-7 years now, so the only surprise to me is that Rivals didn't start adding them to their database sooner than this. Schools have been following and monitoring the progression of very young players for a very long time now, as those players are part of the future, but I think it was Tyrone Willingham who cracked the door when he offered a 14 year old WR a scholarship to the University of Washington back in 2008, and since then, the practice of offering very young players has grown more and more widespread, and with the targeted players becoming even younger. That door that Willingham had opened, Lane Kiffin kicked right down when he started recruiting David Sills as a pro-style QB to USC when the boy was but 12 years old, and Sills committed there at the age of 13, stating that was his 'dream school', but of course your dreams are very liable to change at that age, and his did, to where he will begin attending West Virginia as a freshman starting next fall, as an exceptionally well-regarded young dual-threat quarterback. And then everyone got in on it, or seemingly so, and such is the cutthroat nature of the recruiting game...and on that note, it just makes me think all the more, thank God for Jerry Kill and coaches like him.

I'm sure these kids and their parents enjoy the attention as it is certainly a massive ego-boost, but beyond that, I don't think that anyone (and most especially college football coaches) enjoys the practice of pursuing boys whom haven't even started shaving yet, but that's just where things have gone. College football has grown so large monetarily speaking, there is such fierce competition for recruits, and coaches job securities have grown so tenuous as a result of all this, that there's a sense they have to do this, just in order to keep up with the Jones'. Was Willingham's willingness to offer that 14 year old driven in part by the fact he felt his job was in serious jeopardy? I don't know, but I think it's reasonable to wonder about that. Shortly thereafter, Mike Bellotti gave a very insightful quote as to coach's mentalities when he answered a question about why he'd offered a 14 year old Eugene kid to Oregon. He issued that offer reluctantly and only because several other schools were closing in on the boy, and his quote was "I honestly think it's crazy, but it's the trend. To me it's the wrong thing we should do because it doesn't give you a chance to really see what a young man turns out to be or academically if he's prepared." That says it all right there. We think it's crazy and we think it's wrong, but yet we feel compelled to do it anyway, such is the pressure to keep up and hold the wolves at bay.

The thing of it is, this practice hardly even makes sense, because all else aside and unlike in basketball, you cannot even begin to accurately project football players at that young an age. Trying to project a 105 lb. QB or a 140 lb prepubescent lineman...seriously??? But that's the deal. Gotta find that 'next big thing', man, cause all the other guys are doing it and we have to keep up, so if that means scouting 4th and 5th graders, then hey, that's a leg up! The whole thing is a bit unseemly, a bit unsavory, a bit exploitative, or maybe a lot of all those things, but it ain't going away anytime soon.

I read an article about Ty Detmer's QB school in Texas the other day, and how Ty's 14 year old nephew recently committed to LSU, but the most striking thing in that article was Detmer just gushing about this kid in his program, and how this kid is so fricken uber-talented he's going to set the world on fire, and this kid's age? 11 years old. All I could think was damn, where exactly is this going to stop?
 

Well, colleges have been following, recruiting, and offering middle school players football scholarships for at least 6-7 years now, so the only surprise to me is that Rivals didn't start adding them to their database sooner than this.

This is what I was thinking. It's easy to criticize Rivals, but the teams themselves are more to blame because they are the ones offering the scholarships to middle schoolers. If Rivals wants to do a complete job tracking offers then they really have no choice but to follow by adding the players in their database.
 

All kidding aside we need to lock that kid up, no excuses about this being fly over country someone needs to let this kid know about Valleyfair, Mall of America, Nickelodeon Universe and the Lego Store. Wisconsin can't offer those.
 

All kidding aside we need to lock that kid up, no excuses about this being fly over country someone needs to let this kid know about Valleyfair, Mall of America, Nickelodeon Universe and the Lego Store. Wisconsin can't offer those.

What about 'Build-a-Bear' in MOA? That should be a prett big selling point on his recruiting visit. :cool:
 


Studies on youth sports have shown that the greatest participation is in the 5th Grade. Within 3 years 75% of the kids will leave the sport. It could be playing time, finding a different sport, or other interest. The headlines and rankings for a 6th or 7th grade as the best ever player usually are identifying the early adaptors, or early bloomers. You can all point to a 7th grader you knew who you thought was a cinch to be a force in the conference? And while they dominated the 7th graders and even maybe as an 8th grader it seemed by the time he reached the 9th or 10th grade and he couldn't compete. I would hope Rivals will follow up with these kids as 10th graders.

Coaches will regale you with stories of the 9th or 10th grader who started the year unable to keep out of his own way. This kid as an 11th grader comes in an asks to tryout for the team, he will be met with skepticism. But he will be a contributor and by the end of the season a starter. Going into his senior year he is All Conference, All State. This is Coach Kills Wheelhouse. The late bloomer.
 

Ryan James says that there was some sort of competition held and the winner's reward would be to get a Rivals profile just for fun. Says it wasn't because they actually believe he will be a DI prospect down the road or anything.
 

It's very easy to not "give a $hit about recruiting rankings" when you don't have your entire livelihood and seven-figure salaries riding on it, like actual football experts do.

Thanks for the lecture, but I was speaking for myself and not for any of the actual football experts out there like the many FBS coaches making seven-figure salaries who apparently don't have the first clue about how to evaluate talent without relying on recruiting rankings.
 

The whole thing is a scam to make money off gullible parents...

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I think he looks more like a dual threat than a pro-style. Why get pigeon holed so early?

The kid next door is 3'6" and is fast as hell and as big hands. Not rated yet because he is in second grade. I am convinced he will be a minimum 4 star in 6th grade. His vision and changing direction are special. Not a Gopher yet, looking at being a power ranger.
 

The kid next door is 3'6" and is fast as hell and as big hands. Not rated yet because he is in second grade. I am convinced he will be a minimum 4 star in 6th grade. His vision and changing direction are special. Not a Gopher yet, looking at being a power ranger.

I know, right? Given the current trend, that may be just where we're headed. Facetiousness aside though, I will say this Daron Bryden kid is somewhat a different case, as the boy has clearly got an obvious gift, that being an arm which is borderline incredible for a kid his age. I watched when he beat Matt Hasselbeck in the throwing accuracy competition back when Daron was 10-10 1/2 years old, and that was legit. It was not a gimmick, as Hasselbeck was clearly trying to win, but as stated, this boy is just truly gifted when it comes to the art of throwing a football. It's not all that different really than the case of John Elway, Todd Marinovich, and others I'm sure, as the buzz around them really kicked into high gear back when they were around the same age as this boy is. I think talent like that so far beyond their calendar ages just kind of naturally generates such levels of buzz as that, so that's understandable enough.

My son plays in a youth league composed of 10 and 11 year olds, and these kids rarely (and I do mean RARELY) ever even attempt to pass, because it's really fricken hard to do at that age, at live game speed to be able to get on the same page (or sometimes even in the same zip code) as a receiver in order to complete a pass to him. It's so much easier simply just to ground and pound, and so that's generally what these boys do. So to see a kid like Bryden, with the ability to throw accurately and deep, with touch as well as zip when needed in order to get the ball into a seam, and all these things despite his age and size, well, it's just really, really impressive.

It is semi-ridonkulous to try and be projecting the future of a boy that small slinging around a youth sized football, but part of that whole deal is that his father stands 6'7, so if Daron follows in those footsteps, well then there's your size, and he's already got the terrific arm and natural football talent. So assuming he keeps developing and maintains his interest, focus, and dedication to football, well, therein lies the stuff of much intrigue regarding this boy's future. Personally I root for him. He's got an interesting back-story in that both his parents are deaf, and he and all his siblings are hearing, and he just seems like a really nice kid. He's got a good head on his shoulders, highly intelligent and has a sense of humor, including the ability to laugh at himself. There's not a singular hint of arrogance, cockiness or entitlement about him, as he understands that he's been blessed with a gift, and is humble about that and grateful for it.

So I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens with young Mr. Daron Bryden, as he's got another 60+ months of youth, middle, and high school level football ahead of him, heh.
 

I know, right? Given the current trend, that may be just where we're headed. Facetiousness aside though, I will say this Daron Bryden kid is somewhat a different case, as the boy has clearly got an obvious gift, that being an arm which is borderline incredible for a kid his age. I watched when he beat Matt Hasselbeck in the throwing accuracy competition back when Daron was 10-10 1/2 years old, and that was legit. It was not a gimmick, as Hasselbeck was clearly trying to win, but as stated, this boy is just truly gifted when it comes to the art of throwing a football. It's not all that different really than the case of John Elway, Todd Marinovich, and others I'm sure, as the buzz around them really kicked into high gear back when they were around the same age as this boy is. I think talent like that so far beyond their calendar ages just kind of naturally generates such levels of buzz as that, so that's understandable enough. My son plays in a youth league composed of 10 and 11 year olds, and these kids rarely (and I do mean RARELY) ever even attempt to pass, because it's really fricken hard to do at that age, at live game speed to be able to get on the same page (or sometimes even in the same zip code) as a receiver in order to complete a pass to him. It's so much easier simply just to ground and pound, and so that's generally what these boys do. So to see a kid like Bryden, with the ability to throw accurately and deep, with touch as well as zip when needed in order to get the ball into a seam, and all these things despite his age and size, well, it's just really, really impressive. It is semi-ridonkulous to try and be projecting the future of a boy that small slinging around a youth sized football, but part of that whole deal is that his father stands 6'7, so if Daron follows in those footsteps, well then there's your size, and he's already got the terrific arm and natural football talent. So assuming he keeps developing and maintains his interest, focus, and dedication to football, well, therein lies the stuff of much intrigue regarding this boy's future. Personally I root for him. He's got an interesting back-story in that both his parents are deaf, and he and all his siblings are hearing, and he just seems like a really nice kid. He's got a good head on his shoulders, highly intelligent and has a sense of humor, including the ability to laugh at himself. There's not a singular hint of arrogance, cockiness or entitlement about him, as he understands that he's been blessed with a gift, and is humble about that and grateful for it. So I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens with young Mr. Daron Bryden, as he's got another 60+ months of youth, middle, and high school level football ahead of him, heh.

Couldn't find a spot to put this, so this seemed fitting.

David Sills will finally be playing college football next year for West Virginia after Lane Kiffin offered him as a 13 year old.

Here is the new SI article on him-

http://on.si.com/1Il2UIE

"But the practice was not always so commonplace, not when David Sills first appeared on the recruiting radar. In February 2010, Sills, then a seventh grade quarterback, garnered widespread attention when he issued a verbal commitment to USC. The news sparked concern over the future of college football recruiting and even led some observers to call for rule changes."
 




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