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Rhoda the Boat��?
Don't be redundant. It's "Rhoda Boat".
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One did. As a matter of fact, he declined an invite to the Vikings mini-camp for a tryout to make the transfer. The other guys just moved on with the life. Rogers transferred, but was handicapped by his injury history at Minn. But Claeys should've given him a chance to return given that. Rhoda obviously didn't accept Claeys decision. The kid has balls obviously and wasn't going to let someone else dictate his future.
Look at all the time Rhoda has had to survey the field. All day for the most part. We've yet to give up a sack in two games. I'm no Leidner fan, but he might have thrived in Fleck's system too.
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Probably getting ahead of myself here, but if Rhoda plays like that all season, and improves in some areas, he'll get some NFL looks, like Leidner did. I still need to see his deep ball though.
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Actually, Bobek played on a Iowa State team that set many school records for offensive totals. Their offense was very productive. Something that Kill and Claeys weren't so successful at. And, apparently the Vikings saw something in the time that he played to invite him to their rookie mini-camp. And you say injury prone. Do you know his medical history? 5 OLs had season ending concussions in 2015. Were they all "injury prone"? And, "passed on the depth chart by a true freshman"? Bobek was the starter until injured. I heard from Gopher OL players and an unnamed QB that that freshman didn't know his butt from a hole in the ground as a soph, and that's why he left. He wasn't pleasing Bart Miller at all. That player transferred before TC and Miller were fired. Does that tell you anything?Ok, Bobek. If you're the head coach and you have a very injury-prone player who missed the majority of the season (again) and has already been passed on the depth chart by a true freshman, why would you keep him around? He ended up recovering and had a great season as one of the best players on a bad Iowa St. team. That's great for him, but he would've been very unlikely to see the field, healthy or otherwise, on a much better Minnesota team in 2016. Rogers, same thing. Again, most players who've graduated, particularly those who are injury-prone, are not brought back by the coach.
And I don't know what you're even trying to say with the Rhoda thing. The only reason that he didn't have to "accept" Claeys' decision was because Claeys lost his job. Saying macho things like "he wasn't going to let someone else dictate his future" is really manly and all, but almost everyone on the planet has their future dictated for them by someone else. His future was dictated for him by P.J. Fleck, but you like Fleck so in that case it's a good thing.
I recall the Gophs didn't give up a sack through the first three games last year
No, they gave up a safety and a big loss when the center snapped the ball over ML7's head twice in one game (Oregon St).I recall the Gophs didn't give up a sack through the first three games last year
Ok, Bobek. If you're the head coach and you have a very injury-prone player who missed the majority of the season (again) and has already been passed on the depth chart by a true freshman, why would you keep him around? He ended up recovering and had a great season as one of the best players on a bad Iowa St. team. That's great for him, but he would've been very unlikely to see the field, healthy or otherwise, on a much better Minnesota team in 2016. Rogers, same thing. Again, most players who've graduated, particularly those who are injury-prone, are not brought back by the coach.
Actually, Bobek played on a Iowa State team that set many school records for offensive totals. Their offense was very productive. Something that Kill and Claeys weren't so successful at. And, apparently the Vikings saw something in the time that he played to invite him to their rookie mini-camp. And you say injury prone. Do you know his medical history? 5 OLs had season ending concussions in 2015. Were they all "injury prone"? And, "passed on the depth chart by a true freshman"? Bobek was the starter until injured. I heard from Gopher OL players and an unnamed QB that that freshman didn't know his butt from a hole in the ground as a soph, and that's why he left. He wasn't pleasing Bart Miller at all. That player transferred before TC and Miller were fired. Does that tell you anything?
I've told you before, I coached HS football. I've known many of these coaches. JK, Limegrover, and many other B1G coaches. Then you made some smarmy comment about me being a big shot. No, I just know what I'm talking about. I have some insight on the situation. And you're just guessing.
BTW, I spoke to Bart Miller on two occasions when came to visit our high school, a few months after getting the job. He told me that he was trying to patch together an O line and that he regretted not having Bobek. What did he say when he spoke to you?
So only players who see the field are deserving of scholarships? In that case, better, cut back the schollys by about 30, because we're giving out way too many.
dpodoll is just interested in saving face for being a TC fan. He'll support whatever theory backs his belief that TC was a head coach. TC wasn't equipped to be a head coach. It's been debated ad nauseam. Not interested in reigniting that. It's pointless.So only players who see the field are deserving of scholarships? In that case, better, cut back the schollys by about 30, because we're giving out way too many.
dpodoll is just interested in saving face for being a TC fan. He'll support whatever theory backs his belief that TC was a head coach.
Yeah, sort of like that. And I believe Mitch was a good QB, but he was handicapped by a disfunctional staff situation. TC didn't think Limegrover was a good OC. Maybe he wasn't, but Limegrover was just trying to please JK.Is this like the Mitch isn't a P5 QB thing?
He was, and TC was a head coach...
I think this plays a bigger part in what we've seen so far than anything else. Johnson never really had the chance to match personnel with his system, but Limegrover's passing game was pretty much Pop Warner in its design.
No, I actually played college football too.There it is. The "I know better than you, because I coached HS football" card. Using your own logic, Tracy Claeys advanced far higher up the ladder than you have or ever will. Again, using your own logic, you have no right to question anything he said or did, because he was a college football head coach, and you aren't.
Croft played at Northwestern because Mitch had been terrible to that point of the season. And while I don't think it was Leidner's fault, the entire offense was abysmal at NW. I'm convinced the staff was ready to make a change to Croft -- or at least start giving him more time in upcoming games -- but then Leidner was pretty good the rest if the season.
Why Croft and not Rhoda (or Streveler) is the question. Just further evidence that both Kill and Claeys saw value in Croft they didn't see in the others.
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No, I actually played college football too.
Seriously, this isn't about knowing more than a coach. It is about knowing more than you. Why? B/c you didn't believe that I could have any insight that you don't. Sorry, I do for a bunch of reasons.
Coaches disagree all the time about choices. Was JK an idiot for not making Cobb his #1 RB going into his junior year? No. He just made a horrible personnel decision, and Cobb proved that.
Coaches get called out all the time for decisions they make. Are you saying you'd never question a decision that a coach makes b/c they know more?
This conversation was about Rhoda and other players that TC didn't have faith in, and his decision to pull their scholarship instead of allow them to return to Minnesota to compete for a position.
That's one thing that I quesitoned about TC after you asked for examples. I'm not saying that I'm incapable of making a poor decision as a coach, but I will tell you that college coaching is about recruiting and selecting the right athletes to play for you. The better you are at those two things, the more successful you'll be.
Actually, Bobek played on a Iowa State team that set many school records for offensive totals. Their offense was very productive. Something that Kill and Claeys weren't so successful at. And, apparently the Vikings saw something in the time that he played to invite him to their rookie mini-camp. And you say injury prone. Do you know his medical history? 5 OLs had season ending concussions in 2015. Were they all "injury prone"? And, "passed on the depth chart by a true freshman"? Bobek was the starter until injured. I heard from Gopher OL players and an unnamed QB that that freshman didn't know his butt from a hole in the ground as a soph, and that's why he left. He wasn't pleasing Bart Miller at all. That player transferred before TC and Miller were fired. Does that tell you anything?
I've told you before, I coached HS football. I've known many of these coaches. JK, Limegrover, and many other B1G coaches. Then you made some smarmy comment about me being a big shot. No, I just know what I'm talking about. I have some insight on the situation. And you're just guessing.
BTW, I spoke to Bart Miller on two occasions when came to visit our high school, a few months after getting the job. He told me that he was trying to patch together an O line and that he regretted not having Bobek. What did he say when he spoke to you?
I don't doubt at all that you have access that I don't, mostly because I don't have any access at all. I'm saying that the validity of your assessments is very suspect owing to the clear and obvious bias you have against Claeys. He no doubt made mistakes, but few would take the decision of cutting 5th-year players with severe and repeated injury histories, players who had little chance of playing for him (decisions that would be made in the same way by virtually any coach in his shoes) and call them "big mistakes". If anything, he did them a favor by giving them a chance to latch on elsewhere and get a chance to play, something that he judged wasn't going to be likely here.
Likewise, Rhoda was a horrible fit for the Johnson offense, and would've probably been 3rd- or 4th-string here as a 5th-year senior. Once again, most any coach would've made the same decision in his shoes, particularly for a player who had already graduated, let alone one who started as a walk-on.
Many people look at these types of decisions without context and assume that they're malicious and evil, not to mention anomalous. They aren't - they are incredibly commonplace. As a highly respected HS football coach, you should realize these things and take them into account. You can't come close to anything resembling an objective assessment, because you hate Claeys.
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Ding! Ding! Ding! Dpodoll, just stay down on the mat, it is a very one-sided TKO. You look more and more foolish by each reply!
Butt out. Go post some more in the Title IX thread - you have a monopoly on looking foolish.
I'm not sure why the concept of players fitting different schemes better or worse is such a difficult concept for people to understand.
Rhoda was an ok fit (especially as a PWO) for the under center PA scheme that Kill tried to roll with, he was a terrible fit for Claeys wanting to do a shotgun read option run game which placed great emphasis on QB's being able to run well, he is a pretty good fit for a RPO offense. Simple as that yet we keep having discussions on him or how Streveler would do or the Seth Green thread a week or two back. People just simply don't get it. Different players based on their natural talents fit different schemes
No knock on Rhoda but while the numbers were excellent he himself didn't do anything all that impressive throwing the ball. He had a nice back shoulder throw to Johnson but otherwise he hit a couple wide open WRs and didn't make any mistakes. Thats good stuff but so far nothing to say he should've been playing last year
This is so very true, yet some don't want to admit it.
Rhoda didn't fit the scheme that Claeys/Johnson were planning to run.
We could have a thread McLaurin and the current regime and why they didn't play him. It's the same thing, he didn't fit what PJ and Ciarrocca wanted to do offensively.