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Seems like the right priorities. I think wrestling has their own sport specific boosters that are likely giving NIL to our wrestlers, and same with baseball/softball.

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Volleyball over Women's Hockey?
Interesting choice. Has either program ever finished a year in the black?
 


Slim Tubby said:
Volleyball over Women's Hockey?
Interesting choice. Has either program ever finished a year in the black?
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Volleyball regularly draws 5000+ in attendance limited by the arena. Team makes the NCAA tournament and top 20. Desires attention. Women's Hockey is limited in total national teams and draws around 2000. Would be nice to support but volleyball is bigger and likely more important. Interestingly a was looking at the reaction to the new Wisconsin Womens basketball coach on the Bucky's site and some of the comments indicated that they to support womens hockey and not women's basketball
 

Slim Tubby said:
Volleyball over Women's Hockey?
Interesting choice. Has either program ever finished a year in the black?
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Average volleyball attendance in 2024 was 4,845. Average women's hockey attendance was 2,018. Attendance isn't the be all end all, but a decent indicator nonetheless. B1G volleyball also has TV contracts that puts them on national tv and often on B1G network, where women's hockey is almost always relegated to B1G+. Even the national semifinal in women's hockey was on ESPN+. Women's hockey has done an awesome job, but it's totally the right move to prioritize volleyball over it, IMO.

edit: Looks like NextYear_76 beat me to it while I was typing. Great minds think alike!
 

NextYear_76 said:
Volleyball regularly draws 5000+ in attendance limited by the arena. Team makes the NCAA tournament and top 20. Desires attention. Women's Hockey is limited in total national teams and draws around 2000. Would be nice to support but volleyball is bigger and likely more important. Interestingly a was looking at the reaction to the new Wisconsin Womens basketball coach on the Bucky's site and some of the comments indicated that they to support womens hockey and not women's basketball
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Supposedly the bunch of mid-major coaches turned down the basketball job due to lack of revenue sharing at WI. They got Missouri's fired coach to take the job.

Some of this will evolve and possibly be updated annually. The $20.5 million number is supposed to go up each year.
 

I think we all agree it would be amazing to have money for every sport. That's just not the reality. Ultimately the money made by these 5 sports keeps those others afloat so it just is what it is.

I love the football team, but I'm still an advocate for taking a piece from them and giving it to basketball. Not a lot but a little bit in basketball means getting a good starter who plays 25-30 min a game and can be the difference between making the tournament and not. That money on the football team gets is like a WR3 or CB3, not that they aren't important but they don't get you your ROI like a basketball player does.
 



Also, roster limits have replaced scholarship limits. Some southern baseball teams are going to give 25-26 full scholarships while Minnesota will continue to split up their 12-13 scholarships. Assume the same with softball, gymnastics, etc.
 

Slim Tubby said:
Volleyball over Women's Hockey?
Interesting choice. Has either program ever finished a year in the black?
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You can play a lot of accounting games, but volleyball actually generates a slice of the media rights this is supposed to come from. Tons of games on BTN and even Fox network on occasion (I recall a Minnesota Wisconsin game that aired immediately after a Vikings Packers game). Woman's hockey generates almost no media revenue.
 


howeda7 said:
You can play a lot of accounting games, but volleyball actually generates a slice of the media rights this is supposed to come from. Tons of games on BTN and even Fox network on occasion (I recall a Minnesota Wisconsin game that aired immediately after a Vikings Packers game). Woman's hockey generates almost no media revenue.
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I personally prefer hockey and see that sport far more likely to win a National Title but the attendance #'s and other revenue-generating factors don't lie.
 



MaxyJR1 said:
Something like this is probably a starting point to guess from.
73% Football
17% Basketball
4% Hockey
3% Women's basketball
3% Volleyball
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We should be devoting WAY more of the pie to Men's Hockey - the one sport on this list we have the best chance of winning a National Championship each year.
 

FishingMN said:
We should be devoting WAY more of the pie to Men's Hockey - the one sport on this list we have the best chance of winning a National Championship each year.
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Probably will never know but would be interesting to see the number at other schools. Kind of in the same boat as the other B1G schools and BC. Wonder what UND, UMD, Minn St, DU, Quinnipiac Etc have to spend. It may seem small but it may also be higher than most every other hockey team has.
 

FishingMN said:
We should be devoting WAY more of the pie to Men's Hockey - the one sport on this list we have the best chance of winning a National Championship each year.
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In hockey, MN is a big fish in a small pond. So, the alternatives are do you want to maximize funding to a sport where the chances of competing at the highest levels are very good but the national interest is low or do you want to improve funding to a chronically underachieving sport where the national exposure is high? College hockey is just not a big sport outside of a handful of states. Only 6 Big Ten schools even field hockey teams.
 

leib0039 said:
Probably will never know but would be interesting to see the number at other schools. Kind of in the same boat as the other B1G schools and BC. Wonder what UND, UMD, Minn St, DU, Quinnipiac Etc have to spend. It may seem small but it may also be higher than most every other hockey team has.
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Does the NCHC have a media contract and revenue sharing pie to give out? Same for women's hockey. It's not B1G hockey, it's WCHA.

B1G Hockey is a thing. There is not ACC hockey, B12, SEC, or Big East.
 



Slim Tubby said:
I personally prefer hockey and see that sport far more likely to win a National Title but the attendance #'s and other revenue-generating factors don't lie.
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Probably not fair, but they should be able to compete for a national title without revenue sharing. I doubt many other schools are giving women's hockey any. Maybe Wisconsin.
 

It would be interesting to see which schools have three or more sports in the black. It would probably take forever to piece that together. Wild guess that it's not that common outside of the BigTen. If I'm not mistaken I recall the U having three (football, men's basketball, men's hockey). By default the money makers will get the biggest piece of the pie.
 


I think that is changing. The BigTen schools that have teams care. I'll agree with you that hockey is regional from a fan perspective but I bet the BigTen schools are making a profit off of men's hockey. That's why I mentioned the sports in the black as there is possibility of even more revenue. Look how horrible attendance was for Gopher basketball and they still made good money. If/when they correct that the health of the athletic program as a whole improves. Long winded way of saying why not give a little more to sports that already make money but have the best ability to generate more (ex. Over allocate to basketball or maybe hockey for a period of time to get where we want to be).
 

GopherGuy82 said:
I think that is changing. The BigTen schools that have teams care. I'll agree with you that hockey is regional from a fan perspective but I bet the BigTen schools are making a profit off of men's hockey. That's why I mentioned the sports in the black as there is possibility of even more revenue. Look how horrible attendance was for Gopher basketball and they still made good money. If/when they correct that the health of the athletic program as a whole improves. Long winded way of saying why not give a little more to sports that already make money but have the best ability to generate more (ex. Over allocate to basketball or maybe hockey for a period of time to get where we want to be).
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They are mostly giving money allotments based on the court orders that come down for revenue sharing.

That's where the numbers come from.
 

GopherGuy82 said:
I think that is changing. The BigTen schools that have teams care. I'll agree with you that hockey is regional from a fan perspective but I bet the BigTen schools are making a profit off of men's hockey. That's why I mentioned the sports in the black as there is possibility of even more revenue. Look how horrible attendance was for Gopher basketball and they still made good money. If/when they correct that the health of the athletic program as a whole improves. Long winded way of saying why not give a little more to sports that already make money but have the best ability to generate more (ex. Over allocate to basketball or maybe hockey for a period of time to get where we want to be).
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Men's hockey makes around half a million to 1 million after expenses, mens basketball is around 7-9 million even when the team hasn't been good. There just isn't that much revenue to be gained in hockey but if you can increase attendance at Williams there is room for growth in basketball.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
They are mostly giving money allotments based on the court orders that come down for revenue sharing.

That's where the numbers come from.
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Is it based on total revenue or just the media revenue? I was under the impression it was the later.
 

FishingMN said:
We should be devoting WAY more of the pie to Men's Hockey - the one sport on this list we have the best chance of winning a National Championship each year.
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W/out rev sharing we haven’t won a natty in over 20 years.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
Something like this is probably a starting point to guess from.
73% Football
17% Basketball
4% Hockey
3% Women's basketball
3% Volleyball
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That sounds about right. Raise another 2 million in NIL for basketball and you have north of 5 million to pay the roster- which should be sufficient.
 


MaxyJR1 said:
Does the NCHC have a media contract and revenue sharing pie to give out? Same for women's hockey. It's not B1G hockey, it's WCHA.

B1G Hockey is a thing. There is not ACC hockey, B12, SEC, or Big East.
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On this note, I believe I've seen that all the B1G schools get the same $ rather than $ based on participating sports. e.g. the six schools with hockey would get slightly more $. I'm assuming this is to avoid OSU, Michigan, et. al. claiming a larger chunk because of the ratings they generate for football?
 

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