Randy Shannon to be paid $315K to coach LBs at Arkansas

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Tennessee had a D Line coach paid nearly a million when Lane and Monte were running the program.
 

dpodoll68 said:
"Over the top"? According to whom? You're acting like schools are having to pass out collection plates at games to pay the coaches' salaries. If the market didn't support it, they wouldn't pay it. Pretty simple.
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Well, sort of. The truth is that outside of a few schools, almost every athletic department is subsidized in some form or fashion. That said, they aren't subsidizing the football and basketball programs, but everyone else.

We're currently paying our women's volleyball coach 200k a year, for example, and while I'm glad that we were able to hire someone with olympic credentials, there's no way that the open market would ever give that much to someone to coach volleyball were it not propped up by other revenue streams.
 

I don't think the salary for Shannon is out of the ordinary for a SEC program. Plus as someone else already stated he has strong ties in the south and happens to be a great recruiter.

As for the pay the players... I do believe they deserve some extra other than a scholarship. To what extent I'm not sure really.

No offense Genius but to bag on Kim Royston is kinda stupid. He bled maroon and gold while he was here.
 

Sportsfan24 said:
My man, that's a real cavalier attitude to have. Especially when it comes to he long term health of a person.

Question? Would you be okay if your company was making more profit in the history of the company and your boss extended your work hours but not your salary. A salary that had not increased in years while his salary had doubled in the last two years. And suppose you asked him for $2 a pay check raise and he said no and if you don't like it quit.
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Happens every day.

A choice to be made, my man. Walk away if the education is not enough pay.
 

Sportsfan24 said:
Hey Einstein, he did chose to pay his own way through school.
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You know what I meant. He didn't pay at Madison, but of course, my main point was that ke could have avoided the contact had he wanted to. His participation was all voluntary.
 


Sportsfan24 said:
My man, that's a real cavalier attitude to have. Especially when it comes to he long term health of a person.
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Just curious, but are you insinuating that there is a financial value associated with health, ie. that if the price is right, you'll give up your body? Just wondering.
 

Sportsfan24 said:
Question? Would you be okay if your company was making more profit in the history of the company and your boss extended your work hours but not your salary. A salary that had not increased in years while his salary had doubled in the last two years. And suppose you asked him for $2 a pay check raise and he said no and if you don't like it quit.
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If I was that employee, I can't judge whether my boss doing that is right or wrong. It's not my decision to make. What I can do is, if I am upset, is tell my boss that if he doesn't compensate better than I won't stay. And he can think about it and either give me a raise or let me leave. That's what is being told to college football players: "Here's the deal - free tuition and room and board but no money, now take it or leave it."
 

GeniusGopher said:
Just curious, but are you insinuating that there is a financial value associated with health, ie. that if the price is right, you'll give up your body? Just wondering.
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NFL players do it every week.
 

dpodoll68 said:
"Over the top"? According to whom? You're acting like schools are having to pass out collection plates at games to pay the coaches' salaries. If the market didn't support it, they wouldn't pay it. Pretty simple.
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Yes, it's so simple that you should be able to realize only a few "markets" will be left to support it. Right? The "Big Ten" will become the "Big Three" once only Ohio State, Michigan, and Nebraska can support it. What an awesome thought that is! Oh how fun!!! Can't wait!

Let me ask you this: how do you feel about a "cap" of 85 scholarship players? According to your logic, we shouldn't have caps. So do you want to let helmet schools sign over 100 top recruits, leaving absolutely none for teams like us? And don't tell me we'd still get some in-state talent. No way guys like Pirsig, Nelson, McDonald would want to come here if they knew the rest of the team wouldn't stand a chance.

Are you old enough to remember the NFL days of the late '80s/early '90s when, before the season began, it was at most a 5 horse race? You could practically guarantee 75% of the NFL teams had no chance of even making their conference championship game, nevertheless the super bowl.

Caps serve a good purpose in keeping a competitive balance in sports, which actually makes the sport BETTER. Simply look at how the salary cap PROPELLED the NFL to be BY FAR the most popular sport in America.
 



scher215 said:
NFL players do it every week.
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Yeah, I know. So if SF24 was going to say "yes" I was then going to ask what the threshold is. Is $10K per year enough? No way could most schools pay anything significantly more than that, but that seems paultry to me. Possible long-term brain damage for $40K?
 

BarnBurner said:
Happens every day.

A choice to be made, my man. Walk away if the education is not enough pay.
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That is one choice. Another would be to form a collective bargaining group. Would you be opposed to that?
 

GeniusGopher said:
You know what I meant. He didn't pay at Madison, but of course, my main point was that ke could have avoided the contact had he wanted to. His participation was all voluntary.
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You do realize that aside from responding to you about Kim, my comments had absolutely nothing to do with him specifically? I think you jumped to the conclusion on that one.

Also, you are not addressing my point that NCAA is putting money over player safety AND not spreading the wealth.
 

GeniusGopher said:
You know what I meant. He didn't pay at Madison, but of course, my main point was that ke could have avoided the contact had he wanted to. His participation was all voluntary.
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You do realize that aside from responding to you about Kim, my comments had absolutely nothing to do with him specifically? I think you jumped to the conclusion on that one.

Also, you are not addressing my point that NCAA is putting money over player safety AND not spreading the wealth.
 



GeniusGopher said:
Just curious, but are you insinuating that there is a financial value associated with health, ie. that if the price is right, you'll give up your body? Just wondering.
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I was not insinuating that but if you ask, the answer is an obvious yes. Would you be a cop or firemen for $50,000 a year? What about $150,000 a year?

More to the point, would I play football in the arena football league? That would be a heck no. NFL? Heck yes.
 

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GeniusGopher said:
Yeah, I know. So if SF24 was going to say "yes" I was then going to ask what the threshold is. Is $10K per year enough? No way could most schools pay anything significantly more than that, but that seems paultry to me. Possible long-term brain damage for $40K?
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You are being simple.

The NCAA could mirror the NFL's policy on contact, that would be more than enough. NFL owners and the players union have done the heavy lifting (not to mention spend the money on research).

Player compensation? Easy, what they are suppose to get...a full ride scholarship. Since you have such a strong opinion on the matter I will assume you know what that is and not explain to you that's not what they are getting.
 



Sportsfan24 said:
That is one choice. Another would be to form a collective bargaining group. Would you be opposed to that?
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I would, because it would spiral. How do you allow for college football athletes to receive financial compensation but then disqualify a basketball player for accepting a free sweatshirt while posing for a pic at a store somewhere???

So first, it would be some situation where a basketball player was recovering from some major knee injury, and he'd give the same song and dance that the fb players are now, about risking his body, etc.

Then the women would notice that the male athletes were getting paid, so there would be a big protest and title IX would be reformed to say that you have to spend as much money paying females as you do males.

Then athletic departments like ours would be buried in costs and so we'd either have peanuts left to pay a head coach, guaranteeing no one good takes the job, or we cancel a ton of non-revenue sports.

The ol' can of worms....
 


Sportsfan24 said:
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You are being simple.

The NCAA could mirror the NFL's policy on contact, that would be more than enough. NFL owners and the players union have done the heavy lifting (not to mention spend the money on research).

Player compensation? Easy, what they are suppose to get...a full ride scholarship. Since you have such a strong opinion on the matter I will assume you know what that is and not explain to you that's not what they are getting.
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I agree on the safety part. Plus tri-weekly 'roid testing to keep the size and strength of players down. I imagine getting hit from a LB 30 years ago wasn't as painful as it is now.

I am not versed in the terms of the scholarship, so if you want to explain it to me, I'll listen. I had assumed we were talking about new money, like a weekly paycheck.
 

GeniusGopher said:
I agree on the safety part. Plus tri-weekly 'roid testing to keep the size and strength of players down. I imagine getting hit from a LB 30 years ago wasn't as painful as it is now.

I am not versed in the terms of the scholarship, so if you want to explain it to me, I'll listen. I had assumed we were talking about new money, like a weekly paycheck.
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I favor a weekly stipend ($100) that would provide for toilet paper, tooth paste, a night out with their girlfriend (currently a girl who dates a athlete knows she's paying), purchase cloths (currently they can't buy the jersey the schools sale with their number on it).

I think $5200 a year per player would cover it; maybe double it for players who show need and bar them from receiving Pell grants. It pisses me off to no end that BCS schools make billions yet tax payers subsidize their work force.

Also allow walk-ons to eat for free at the team training table, currently they have to pay. Allow schools to provide aid for family travel to bowl games for families that show need ($500 or $600), or maybe provide charter buses or god forbid a plane. They (each team) gets millions from these games, $50 or $60 thousand (if that much) wouldn't kill anybody.

When talking about the revenue making teams in a vacuum there is more than enough money available, it's only when talking about funding every thing under the son but the guys who generate the money does it become an issue.
 

FYI, the current stipend they get covers room and board. They also get cash to cover for the weekend when this school cafeterias are closed. I'm talking about a weekly monetary amount that could be used as they please..an allowance of sorts.
 

Sportsfan24 said:
FYI, the current stipend they get covers room and board. They also get cash to cover for the weekend when this school cafeterias are closed. I'm talking about a weekly monetary amount that could be used as they please..an allowance of sorts.
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Therein lies my problem. See my previous post about it spiraling. $5200 * 85 = $442,000. That's manageable for footballs teams, but all athletes? Now you're into the millions. Not so manageable. And no way do I want to see somebody get paid to do some of these non-revenue sports. Tuition and room and board is MORE than enough for doing a sport that most likely has no future and brings in no money to the school.

So how do you justify paying only football players?
 

GeniusGopher said:
Therein lies my problem. See my previous post about it spiraling. $5200 * 85 = $442,000. That's manageable for footballs teams, but all athletes? Now you're into the millions. Not so manageable. And no way do I want to see somebody get paid to do some of these non-revenue sports. Tuition and room and board is MORE than enough for doing a sport that most likely has no future and brings in no money to the school.

So how do you justify paying only football players?
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I have just two words as to why this will be a bottomless pit, Title IX.
 

GeniusGopher said:
Therein lies my problem. See my previous post about it spiraling. $5200 * 85 = $442,000. That's manageable for footballs teams, but all athletes? Now you're into the millions. Not so manageable. And no way do I want to see somebody get paid to do some of these non-revenue sports. Tuition and room and board is MORE than enough for doing a sport that most likely has no future and brings in no money to the school.

So how do you justify paying only football players?
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You justify paying football players because they make it possible for the other sports to exist. It will never be equal between the sports....it's not equal now. Revenue sports do all he heavy lifting and the other sports exist with out the pressure.
 

Killjoy said:
I have just two words as to why this will be a bottomless pit, Title IX.
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I have said it before and I will say it again; if half the women who support men sports supported women sports, there would be no need for title IX.

Should colleges fund women sports? Absolutely. Should Title IX beneficiaries have the expectation they are entitled to the same benefits has their revenue sports benefactors? Absolutely not. That would be like buying 10 cans of name brand cereal for your home and 10 generic brand for the homeless shelter only to have the shelter people claim they should eat the same name brand cereal as the person who donated the cereal.
 

Sportsfan24 said:
I have said it before and I will say it again; if half the women who support men sports supported women sports, there would be no need for title IX.

Should colleges fund women sports? Absolutely. Should Title IX beneficiaries have the expectation they are entitled to the same benefits has their revenue sports benefactors? Absolutely not. That would be like buying 10 cans of name brand cereal for your home and 10 generic brand for the homeless shelter only to have the shelter people claim they should eat the same name brand cereal as the person who donated the cereal.
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It makes little difference what you or I think about this. There will be a lawsuit and it will be settled in a court of law. There are a lot of powerful women and other people that are not going to buy your argument. Equal but separate didn't pass must the mustard rightly so and neither will your approach.
 

Killjoy said:
It makes little difference what you or I think about this. There will be a lawsuit and it will be settled in a court of law. There are a lot of powerful women and other people that are not going to buy your argument. Equal but separate didn't pass must the mustard rightly so and neither will your approach.
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You make a good point. Under the current system where all sports are funded from the schools athletic department, it would be difficult. A work around if you will, would be for schools to not fund athletics.

In the current political climate where folks are supposedly (I say supposedly because they really aren't) against entitlement programs it should work.

The main reason you would never see this is because the schools love their current arrangement and it has little to do with Title IX. They love the money that comes from revenue generating sports and they love controlling it. So they willing continue the masquerade that these students are not different from the general student body.....it's to everyone else's benefit but the players to do so.
 


sportsfan, I'm late to the conversation. I don't know where I sit on paying athletes. My heart says, "No, they don't need to be paid, they get a scholarship, blah, blah, blah." Is it true that scholarship athletes are not allowed to have summer jobs? I thought I read somewhere that they couldn't make over x amount of money. I knew they got an allowance for room & board, but what about their spending money? I would be willing to pay players a small amount (like an allowance as you stated) as long as it was the same across all d1 schools.
 

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