Rand: Teams improve after Brewster leaves

[BleedGopher]

per Rand:

Here’s a look at how Brewster leaving Minnesota has impacted three teams for the better:

GOPHERS

There’s no arguing this point: the Gophers are on the most solid footing they have enjoyed since the Glen Mason days, and they have the potential under Kill to exceed what Mason accomplished.

Consecutive victories over Michigan and Northwestern have re-established this team’s identity: very good on defense, sound in the running game and — this is key — able to throw enough to win. That, of course, raises an interesting question: Are they good enough to not just join the discussion as a solid Big Ten team but instead legitimately compete for a conference title?

The schedule certainly breaks that way and allows one to dream a little. Without putting wins in the bank, you look at the next two (home against Purdue and at Illinois) and think it is very possible the Gophers will be 4-0 heading into a huge home game against Iowa (which also could be 4-0 in conference play at the time). Winning the Big Ten West won’t be easy since the schedule stiffens late, but it’s not as crazy as some might think.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/279086601.html

Go Gophers!!

 

[bemidjigopher]

To be fair I'm sure brew recruited a few of the guys on Mississippi state. FSU won a title and brought in a top class with brew in charge of recruiting. It didn't workout but we have a better coach now so not sure what randballs angle is here

 

[bleedsmaroonandgold]

Good for him. I think that he was always a talented salesman, and it sounds like he is thriving doing what he does best.

 

[beavergopher]

Ya, but their chili cools down.

 

[GopherinPhilly]

Idiotic story. Regarding Tim Brewster - he is a muppet that came to life. When he talks you can see his jaw open wide enough to swallow his whole head.

 

[Governor Sibley]

Brew took it like a man and left without bitching.

I'll always respect him for that. We should leave him be.

 

[UpnorthGo4]

Brew took it like a man and left without bitching.

I'll always respect him for that. We should leave him be.

+10. In addition to what you said, every time Brewster has opened his muppet mouth since he left he has said nothing but positive things about the U and the players and people he got to know while he was here. If some of the posters in GopherHole and the local media had half the class that Brewster does they would be much further ahead in their own lives.

 

[IDFM]

Recruiting is one thing, developing is another. Brewster could get players, but they never got better and a bunch got worse. The program had no direction or leadership and was a ship without a rudder under Brew.

 

[DarrenTheGreek]

Stupid article that just reeks of trying to kick a man. Gophers are better with Kill than Brewster as heach coach? Newsflash.

Does that necessarily mean that Miss State wouldn't be ranked #1 if Brewster were still there? Not in the least.

Then it conventiently ignores the fact that Florida State hasn't lost a game since Brewster joined their coaching staff. What part does he play in that? Probably as much as his departure from Miss State contributed to their ascendence. Nothing.

It's time for the media in this market to move on and stop ripping Brewster. But he's an easy punching bag and they're lazy so I guess it won't change.

 

[tikited]

Brewster was/is a good dude. Without him we wouldn't have Kill right now. Things worked out fine for both. I have nothing bad to say about Brew.

 

[josh087]

There are a group of persons in this world who are great human beings, good football coaches, but are just not cut out to be the head coach of a power 5 conference team. Tim Brewster is one of these people.

 

[Lakeville Goldy]

I guess I took the article differently than others. I took it to be more that yes, MN improved after he left, but that he at least had a finger in improving Miss St. and a bigger impact in helping FSU. I inferred that he was saying had he not been terminated, that perhaps Miss St and FSU would maybe not be exactly where they are today. In other words, trying to say that even though he didn't work out here, he has shown he has some ablity to improve programs elsewhere...

 

[GopherVictory]

I guess I took the article differently than others. I took it to be more that yes, MN improved after he left, but that he at least had a finger in improving Miss St. and a bigger impact in helping FSU. I inferred that he was saying had he not been terminated, that perhaps Miss St and FSU would maybe not be exactly where they are today. In other words, trying to say that even though he didn't work out here, he has shown he has some ablity to improve programs elsewhere...

I agree. I think the headline is terrible. I think it is trying to say something like "(Other) teams improve (with help from) Brewster after (he) leaves (the U)"

 

[bleedsmaroonandgold]

Recruiting is one thing, developing is another. Brewster could get players, but they never got better and a bunch got worse. The program had no direction or leadership and was a ship without a rudder under Brew.

There are a lot of aspects to recruiting from identifying talent to balancing classes to signing talent to being able to utilize that talent. Developing was an issue. Targeting also could have been. I think Brewster was good at getting the players he wanted, but failed to pick the right players to want. This would be my hypothesis for why he has been thriving under other talented head coaches. Brewster is as good as anyone in the business at taking a given player and convincing him to sign, so when he has someone else telling him who to sign, he does a great job with it. Not everyone is fit to be a ship's captain, that doesn't mean they can't make one heck of a sailor.

 

[Golden Elephant]

I agree with a lot of what was said here. Coach Brew didn't work out here, but he gave it his all and I wish him the best. Moreover, he's been all class towards Minnesota since he's left, wishing us the best and not being bitter at all. He's obviously a great recruiter (in terms of getting the guys he wants), and I think being a position coach at a big time program is the perfect fit for him. After the article a while back on how he went and supported Conner Cosgrove, too, I gained a higher level of respect for the man.

Gotta agree that the article was mostly just a look at how things have worked out for Brew's teams, and the headline was very inaccurate.

 

[Off-GridTNgopher]

Don't let the past dictate who you are, but let it be part of who you become...
Lessons learned... The University has moved on... He has moved on... Its time some posters do the same

 

[GopherinPhilly]

Brewster was a train wreck that we are still trying to recover from and I don't care if the guy gives half his money to charity and craps daisies, he was a disaster as a coach. The article was about his coaching and recruiting accumen and the value he brought to teams after he left...he left us with a dumpster fire at midfield of TCF stadium.

 

[GopherinPhilly]

+10. In addition to what you said, every time Brewster has opened his muppet mouth since he left he has said nothing but positive things about the U and the players and people he got to know while he was here. If some of the posters in GopherHole and the local media had half the class that Brewster does they would be much further ahead in their own lives.

Bite me. Brewster wasn't hired to be a nice guy, he was hire to win football games and take MN to the next level. He did neither and in fact made it way worse. The article wasn't about his charitable giving or his family life, it was about how he left teams better off and in our case, he left Kill a dumpster fire with kids that weren't going to classes and players that didn't belong at a Big Ten school (for the most part). I don't care how hard he worked, he bamboozled our moron AD and then drove us off a cliff. I'm fine with him being a muppet head and I'm also fine with my success in life. But you stay classy Upnorth.

 

[mnrat]

-1...make a sandwich and grab a beer, you need it.

 

[ruppertflywheel]

When I think of Brewster one name comes up. Harold Howell. That pretty much sums up the Brewster
era.

 

[UpnorthGo4]

Bite me. Brewster wasn't hired to be a nice guy, he was hire to win football games and take MN to the next level. He did neither and in fact made it way worse. The article wasn't about his charitable giving or his family life, it was about how he left teams better off and in our case, he left Kill a dumpster fire with kids that weren't going to classes and players that didn't belong at a Big Ten school (for the most part). I don't care how hard he worked, he bamboozled our moron AD and then drove us off a cliff. I'm fine with him being a muppet head and I'm also fine with my success in life. But you stay classy Upnorth.

Thanks, Philly. You made my case for me again with that post. You and Philadelphia deserve each other.

 

[UpnorthGo4]

When I think of Brewster one name comes up. Harold Howell. That pretty much sums up the Brewster
era.

When I think of Harold Howell one name comes up. Glen Mason. That pretty much sums up the Mason era and how little effort he put into recruiting during his last three years before he got his ass fired for pissing away another in long line of second half leads on national TV and then laughing about it in the locker room after the game. If Mason had done his job, Harold Howell and many of the other players that Brewster was forced to recruit in the three weeks between his hiring date and national signing day would not have gotten anywhere near the U and the Gopher football team.

 

[gophmeister]

Redirect your ire toward the man who hired him. Brewster honestly believed he could do the job. Lots of people take a job and get in over their head.

 

[cncmin]

+10. In addition to what you said, every time Brewster has opened his muppet mouth since he left he has said nothing but positive things about the U and the players and people he got to know while he was here. If some of the posters in GopherHole and the local media had half the class that Brewster does they would be much further ahead in their own lives.

This. Brewster gave his effort, he wanted it to work and worked his tail off to do so; hell, I think if Decker doesn't get injured in 2008 (leading to a drastic downfall of the team to end the season and killing Brewster's momentum) perhaps he actually keeps improving the program. The team's win @ Illinois that year was one of the most thrilling games the Gophers had between 2003 and 2013. He also proved that you CAN bring in a very highly rated recruiting class with its share of blue chippers to the University of Minnesota (even though a lot of that ended up unlucky, e.g., Maresh, Hill, etc.), which prior to that class no one thought was possible.

He got fired and, at least in public, he does not say bad things about Minnesota. Until I hear otherwise, I'm very glad we have a new football coaching staff, but I have nothing bad to say about Brew.

 

[bleedsmaroonandgold]

Redirect your ire toward the man who hired him. Brewster honestly believed he could do the job. Lots of people take a job and get in over their head.

+1 Its not his fault someone else totally overestimated his ability to do a job. I sort of feel the same way about Christian Ponder: nice guy, hard worker, no reason not to like him, and he isn't the one who overdrafted himself.

 

[Dr.Don]

We are four years into Kill as our Coach. It is time to move on from Brew. Leave him alone and let's move on to what Kill is doing. Coach Kill doesn't dwell on, nor has he ever commented on, Coach Brewster. Let it go, guys.

 

[maxwellsmart]

We are four years into Kill as our Coach. It is time to move on from Brew. Leave him alone and let's move on to what Kill is doing. Coach Kill doesn't dwell on, nor has he ever commented on, Coach Brewster. Let it go, guys.

Yes. Thank you.

 

[SelectionSunday]

When I think of Brewster one name comes up. Harold Howell. That pretty much sums up the Brewster
era.

Hayo Carpenter is another one. They were telling anyone who would listen Carpenter was going to be all All-World. It's not the kid's fault he wasn't, but Brew built him up that way.

 

[Maximus]

Hayo Carpenter is another one. They were telling anyone who would listen Carpenter was going to be all All-World. It's not the kid's fault he wasn't, but Brew built him up that way.

The way Brew gushed about Carpenter, Howell and Curtis Thomas....did those guys a pretty big disservice.

 

[Ski U Master]

Hayo Carpenter is another one. They were telling anyone who would listen Carpenter was going to be all All-World. It's not the kid's fault he wasn't, but Brew built him up that way.

I remember he got caught from behind by a large linebacker, so much for that breakaway speed we were promised.