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I read an interesting blurb the other day in regards to LSU not having that many highly drafted players in the Les Miles era. It talked about how Miles has landed a good number of top recruits in the nation, but very few of them have panned out (as far as being NFL-caliber players). So he's taking quite a bit of heat that his staff is unable to develop these top players and bring them along despite all their obvious abilities.

So that got me thinking about Brewster and Gray. It seems that Gray is Brewster's highest-profile recruit. He was sort of the poster child that things were changing at the U, that this coach would be able to land top recruits.

So here we are now heading into Gray's sophomore season, and it's apparent that he has failed to beat out Weber again. We're told that it's because Gray fumbles, can't read defenses, doesn't know the plays, etc. But one thing is for certain: it isn't because Weber is a great QB.

To me, this is one of the single-biggest indictments of Brewster and his staff. They land a prize recruit, and two years into the program, he doesn't know the plays and can't beat out a QB coming off an absolutely abysmal season?

Unacceptable.
 

You don't get it. At all. So Gray is having a hard time? Heard of Tyrell Pryor? He's good, but hasn't really gotten great yet. He's only had the advantage of playing more and being on a better team.

Heard of Eric Decker? Lee Campbell? Eric Small? Nate Tripllet? Garrett Brown? Nick Tow-Arnett? Jon Hoese? Ryan Callado? Dom Alford? D.J. Burris? Brandon Green? Troy Stoudermire? How about Rallis, Watkins, Bunders, Cooper, Edwards, Lair, Hill...need I go on? I think the player development plan is working fine...
 

I love how the OP uses LSU as an example. Stating LSU has had a number of high end recruits not pan out and then go and and use one Brewster recruit and prophesize that Brewster cant develop talent. Too hilarious.

No where is it stated that Gray sat out a year after graduating high school. No where is it stated that he was in essence a true freshmen. No where is it stated that the kid hasn't even started his sophmore year yet.

Plus, you know what.........maybe Gray doesn't pan out. This stuff happens. That is why we bring in QB's every year. That is why we recruited Alipate. That is why we brought in Parish.
 

Maroon said:
I read an interesting blurb the other day in regards to LSU not having that many highly drafted players in the Les Miles era. It talked about how Miles has landed a good number of top recruits in the nation, but very few of them have panned out (as far as being NFL-caliber players). So he's taking quite a bit of heat that his staff is unable to develop these top players and bring them along despite all their obvious abilities.

So that got me thinking about Brewster and Gray. It seems that Gray is Brewster's highest-profile recruit. He was sort of the poster child that things were changing at the U, that this coach would be able to land top recruits.

So here we are now heading into Gray's sophomore season, and it's apparent that he has failed to beat out Weber again. We're told that it's because Gray fumbles, can't read defenses, doesn't know the plays, etc. But one thing is for certain: it isn't because Weber is a great QB.

To me, this is one of the single-biggest indictments of Brewster and his staff. They land a prize recruit, and two years into the program, he doesn't know the plays and can't beat out a QB coming off an absolutely abysmal season?

Unacceptable.
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First of all, keep in mind that's it's still only MG's 2nd spring. We don't know what kind of year he's going to have come fall, I'd expect Gray is a bit of a gamer(aka better on field than in practice, which is basically what the spring game is)
Not matter the talent, it takes time to develop, Gray's learning curve very well may be tougher since he came into this year after not playing in 2 due to the injury in HS and the ACT flag.
There are some good examples of other Brewster recruits who appear to have been developed quite nicely. Mcknight is the shining example, as many recruitniks considered him a throwaway schollie, and now he's our #1 receiver.
Also, don't let your low opinion of Weber cloud your vision, while Weber was far from good last year, he still has experience on Gray in fundamentals, practice routines, etc. This gives him a leg up from the get go.
Ultimately Marquis's success here as a gopher will be determined by the coaches, talent around him, but most importantly by himself. If he plasters himself to Coach Horton all summer breaking down film and drilling himself hard in the art of quarterbacking he will improve.
I still think Gray starts early in the season(maybe not the opener), I also think he'll have a breakout game late in the year and catapult himself into the 2011 season with high expectations.
 

Ole said:
...I still think Gray starts early in the season(maybe not the opener), I also think he'll have a breakout game late in the year and catapult himself into the 2011 season with high expectations.
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Nope. Unless Weber gets hurt or totally collapses, he starts all 12 games.
 


highwayman said:
Nope. Unless Weber gets hurt or totally collapses, he starts all 12 games.
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Just my prediction, early season struggles/signs of offensive spark would be the reason behind it.
If we're winning, I don't think anyone will care who is starting.
 

seriously?

A ONE player study, compiled before his true soph year?

wow
 


I'll pile on. This is silly. ONe thing Brewster has appeared to do is get a lot from his players. Campbell, Sherels and Lawrence switched to different positions and were lightly recruited but became NFL prospects after 2 years (and Campbell was HORRIBLE at DE). We had a pretty solid D last year despite it being filled with guys with very few other offers from major schools and the few that did being extremely young. Our talent level (looking at HS ratings) is still very very low. And Gray is playing the toughest position, hadn't played FB in 2 years, and is learning his 2nd offense
 



3 of the 6 JUCOs Brew signed in 2008 ended up with UFA deals this year. That, to me, is at least some evidence that he can recruit and develop.

Oh, and folks scoffed when he said Matt Stommes had NFL measureables and despite not playing that well in 2009, Stommes is getting an NFL look too.
 

highwayman said:
You don't get it. At all. So Gray is having a hard time? Heard of Tyrell Pryor? He's good, but hasn't really gotten great yet. He's only had the advantage of playing more and being on a better team.

Heard of Eric Decker? Lee Campbell? Eric Small? Nate Tripllet? Garrett Brown? Nick Tow-Arnett? Jon Hoese? Ryan Callado? Dom Alford? D.J. Burris? Brandon Green? Troy Stoudermire? How about Rallis, Watkins, Bunders, Cooper, Edwards, Lair, Hill...need I go on? I think the player development plan is working fine...
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You mean that guy that started right away and is going to BCS bowls every year? Yeah, I've heard of him.
 

develop is WAY more important then recruit. look at Notre Dame. Weiss always had one of the best rivals classes, but he never developed players and because of that his teams were always terrible.
 

Ole said:
First of all, keep in mind that's it's still only MG's 2nd spring. We don't know what kind of year he's going to have come fall, I'd expect Gray is a bit of a gamer(aka better on field than in practice, which is basically what the spring game is)
Not matter the talent, it takes time to develop, Gray's learning curve very well may be tougher since he came into this year after not playing in 2 due to the injury in HS and the ACT flag.
There are some good examples of other Brewster recruits who appear to have been developed quite nicely. Mcknight is the shining example, as many recruitniks considered him a throwaway schollie, and now he's our #1 receiver.
Also, don't let your low opinion of Weber cloud your vision, while Weber was far from good last year, he still has experience on Gray in fundamentals, practice routines, etc. This gives him a leg up from the get go.
Ultimately Marquis's success here as a gopher will be determined by the coaches, talent around him, but most importantly by himself. If he plasters himself to Coach Horton all summer breaking down film and drilling himself hard in the art of quarterbacking he will improve.
I still think Gray starts early in the season(maybe not the opener), I also think he'll have a breakout game late in the year and catapult himself into the 2011 season with high expectations.
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Or that's a glaring indictment of the Gophers WR corps.
 



Brew_recruit said:
develop is WAY more important then recruit. look at Notre Dame. Weiss always had one of the best rivals classes, but he never developed players and because of that his teams were always terrible.
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Dumb. That's like saying that drinking is more important than eating.

Both are important cogs in the overall machine, but one is certainly not more important than the other. You can be the best developer of talent on earth, but you're not going to win conference and national titles with a team full of walk-ons.

"You can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t." - Red Auerbach
 

dpodoll68 said:
Dumb. That's like saying that drinking is more important than eating.

Both are important cogs in the overall machine, but one is certainly not more important than the other. You can be the best developer of talent on earth, but you're not going to win conference and national titles with a team full of walk-ons.

"You can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t." - Red Auerbach
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Cinci had a pretty good year, so did Bosie State, and so did Utah,
 

Brew_recruit said:
Cinci had a pretty good year, so did Bosie State, and so did Utah,
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Note #1 - Point out where I said that development is unimportant.

Note #2 - Which of these is the team full of walk-ons?
 

Maroon said:
Or that's a glaring indictment of the Gophers WR corps.
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Half full or Half empty. You decide how you want to look at it. I can't live as a pessimist.
Either way he looked the part against MSU and ISU, with flashes in other games.
Also, there are plenty of other players that have been recruited and developed under Brewster besides Mcknight.
 

Ole said:
Half full or Half empty. You decide how you want to look at it. I can't live as a pessimist.
Either way he looked the part against MSU and ISU, with flashes in other games.
Also, there are plenty of other players that have been recruited and developed under Brewster besides Mcknight.
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I understand that. But I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about his highest-profile and highest-rated recruit in his tenure here so far.
 

Maroon said:
I understand that. But I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about his highest-profile and highest-rated recruit in his tenure here so far.
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Gjere hasn't even seen the field yet
 

oleboy41 said:
Gjere hasn't even seen the field yet
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Not to pick nits (actually, that's exactly what it is), but Gray was rated #112 by Rivals, Gjere #161. There's also no question as to which was the more "high-profile" recruit.

As much as most of us bemoan his lack of impact (more as a result of opportunity than ability) thus far, there is no question that Gray is Brewster's signature recruit.
 

how is see it is Brewster can develop Defensive players, but he can't develop players on O for *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#
 

Maroon said:
I understand that. But I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about his highest-profile and highest-rated recruit in his tenure here so far.
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You're making this judgment on one player just entering his sophomore year? :rolleyes:
 

Why are the threads to the dumbest arguments full of people on my ignore list?
 


Schnoodler said:
Why are the threads to the dumbest arguments full of people on my ignore list?
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Because stupid people think they have all the answers which makes it more difficult for people like us that really do have all the answers.:rolleyes:
 


It's so I don't have to call you all a bunch of *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#in idiots.
 


Schnoodler said:
It's so I don't have to call you all a bunch of *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#in idiots.
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Go ahead. We're big boys. We can take it.

It's certainly better than your passive-aggressive "I'm better than you" bullsh*t.
 

RaT said:
I love how the OP uses LSU as an example. Stating LSU has had a number of high end recruits not pan out and then go and and use one Brewster recruit and prophesize that Brewster cant develop talent. Too hilarious.

No where is it stated that Gray sat out a year after graduating high school. No where is it stated that he was in essence a true freshmen. No where is it stated that the kid hasn't even started his sophmore year yet.

Plus, you know what.........maybe Gray doesn't pan out. This stuff happens. That is why we bring in QB's every year. That is why we recruited Alipate. That is why we brought in Parish.
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I agree with all of this.
 

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