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coolhandgopher said:
Last comment...Tyus Jones' retweeting the piece about the recruits next year bringing character to the team? He does realize that many of the players getting criticized are going to be his teammates next year, doesn't he? Pretty poor form kid.
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Good points.. this one caught my attention too.
 

coolhandgopher said:
S.S. did a masterful job of breaking down Coach K's presser and what was of particularly poor form, from my p.o.v., was the throwing under the bus of his players.
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Yep, and really not motivational point to it since the season's over. Just blame shifting. And familiar ... of all the things that bugged me about Tubby's tenure by the end of it, this was the one that started to turn my impression of him.
 

SelectionSunday said:
These numbers would lead me to believe one of two things. Either (A) Duke has incredible talent every season but by & large massively underachieves in the postseason, or (B) the talent K acquires every recruiting season is consistently overrated by those who evaluate those type of things. It's one or the other, and I'd lean toward (A).
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Maybe a little of both, but below is a list of players leaving Duke during this century who have played in the NBA. About 16 of them are still playing. Wish the Gophers had even a third of these numbers. Then, this year they will have two lottery picks (Parker and Hood) with at least one more player possibly drafted in the second round.

1 Seth Curry
2 Ryan Kelly
3 Mason Plumlee
4 Miles Plumlee
5 Austin Rivers
6 Kyle Singler
7 Kyrie Irving
8 Nolan Smith
9 Lance Thomas
10 Gerald Henderson
11 DeMarcus Nelson
12 Josh McRoberts
13 J.J. Redick
14 Shelden Williams
15 Daniel Ewing
16 Shavlik Randolph
17 Luol Deng
18 Chris Duhon
19 Dahntay Jones
20 Carlos Boozer
21 Mike Dunleavy
22 Jay Williams
23 Shane Battier
24 William Avery
25 Elton Brand
 

SelectionSunday said:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...-coach-duke-blue-devils-least-five-more-years

Mike Krzyzewski will remain synonymous with Duke for the foreseeable future, as the coach said Wednesday that he plans to coach the Blue Devils for at least five more seasons.

"I'm looking forward to the next five years," Krzyzewski said during his end-of-season address to reporters. "What do we do in the next five, not just what do we do next season. What are the decisions? The first thing is, I look at me. I'm going to be here.

"This past year I had a few setbacks, and I had an episode with health at the Wake game. I wanted to clear the air that I'm good. I'm going forward."

Translation: I wasn't myself health-wise this season; that's why we lost to a scrub team like Wake Forest, and then got bounced by a mediocre Mercer team (did anyone notice how all of a sudden the media said Mercer was a really good team AFTER they beat Duke? No they weren't. Mercer then got their a*s kicked by Tennessee).

The 67-year-old Krzyzewski, who leads all Division I men's coaches with 983 wins, was hospitalized after feeling light-headed during a loss at Wake Forest on March 4.

Among the items on his agenda going forward is developing on-court leadership, especially after the third-seeded Blue Devils' 78-71 loss to 14-seed Mercer in the NCAA tournament's round of 64.

"I try not to look at how we run our program in one-year periods or based on one game, whether that means you've won the national championship or you got eliminated like we did this year," Krzyzewski said. "I really don't think that's the way to run a program."

Translation: I hope nobody has noticed that with all our talent and favorable seeds we've been to 1 Final Four in the last 10 seasons.

Krzyzewski called this season's team, which finished 26-9, streaky and said he does not know whether freshman Jabari Parker or sophomore Rodney Hood will return to the Blue Devils or enter the NBA draft.

"Yes, we could play defense better, but fundamentally the thing that we missed was on-court leadership play after play," Krzyzewski said.

Translation: It's the players fault, not mine. There was no leadership.

Coach K also voiced his unhappiness Wednesday with ACC officials after no conference officials backed him up when he said that more conference teams should have made the NCAA tournament when bids were announced this month.

"I won't be doing that anymore," Krzyzewski said. "I am not going to do that again because I get all the stuff and nobody has my back. It's funny to you. But you're not the ones [hearing], 'He's an idiot. I hate him. He's low-level.'

"The only thing I said is I love my conference and I think this is better. And that's not happening again unless other people are doing it."

Translation: I'm a liar. I flat-out dissed the Atlantic 10 during the ACC Tournament on my own, and now I see they have as many teams in the Sweet 16 as the ACC does. But the ACC offices should support me and kiss my lily white a*s because I'm the King of College Basketball.

Since when does K need the backing of ACC administrators? He's the most powerful person in the ACC, and college basketball as a whole, bar none (see ESPN, et al, refusal to make him do halftime interviews just like every other head coach). He's one of those people who is moving ever closer to that critical mass stage where people will just get tired of his act. He's enjoyed a double standard for a long time and, no doubt, just like the pampered AAU stars he recruits, he's sounding more and more like someone who feels entitled.
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I will always remember how Coach K abandoned his team for a year because he didn't want the black eye of a horrible season on his resumè.
 


2005 seemed to start a downward slide

This was certainly a favorite of that year...
 

But really… our league should get more respect. The fact that Pitt comes in here and people are saying they have to do something, come on. Come on, man. I don’t get it.
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Yep, the ACC really showed how great they are with one team in the Sweet 16 and zero in the Elite 8.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
So do I. But, I'd be disappointed with 1 final four in 10 years if we had a program that recruited for itself like Duke has. Duke basketball is just like Gopher hockey, there are plenty of schools that would like to have the success we have had recently (3 consecutive conference titles, back-to-back years entering the tournament as a 1 seed, one Frozen Four appearance since 2006). However, when we have an elite program like that there is still grumbling when we don't have the postseason success we want.
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+1

Perfectly cromulent point.
 





SelectionSunday said:
Rubs me the wrong way, has for quite some time. We all have folks who rub us the wrong way.

I would take a Final Four every 10 years at Minnesota, absolutely. Somehow I think Duke probably is held to a little higher standard than that, especially when its seed most every season falls in the #1, #2, or #3 ballpark. Seeds last 10 seasons:

05: #1 (dumped in Sweet 16)
06: #1 (dumped in Sweet 16)
07: #6 (1 & done)
08: #2 (dumped in Round of 32)
09: #2 (dumped in Sweet 16)
10: #1 (NCAA champs)
11: #1 (dumped in Sweet 16)
12: #2 (1 & done)
13: #2 (dumped in Elite 8)
14: #3 (1 & done)

Would be pretty difficult to find a bigger underachiever relative to seeding than Coach K the last 10 seasons. Don't hear that from anyone at ESPN or CBS/TNT, etc., for some reason (I can't hear you, Dukie V). Why is that? Instead we get to hear how wonderful it was that Coach K went into the Mercer locker room and congratulated Mercer. That makes him special? Coaches do that stuff all the time, but evidently it's only noteworthy when King K does it in front of the TV cameras.

These numbers would lead me to believe one of two things. Either (A) Duke has incredible talent every season but by & large massively underachieves in the postseason, or (B) the talent K acquires every recruiting season is consistently overrated by those who evaluate those type of things. It's one or the other, and I'd lean toward (A).
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+1

benching Parker and Hood in the Mercer game was classless... but that is typical of coach K..
ride them both for then entire year to stack up W's.. then blame them for the loss.
no way Parker/Hood are coming back.. who would play for this clown?
(just think how sweet it would have been for Parker to play for Michigan.. perfect fit. )
Murphy xfers out.. at least 1 or 2 dookies leave every year... top 100 guys no less.
5 in / 5 out for a spell this year??? is he nuts?
more McDonalds all-ams riding pine than Mercer has ever had..

K is way past his prime... will pull a woody hayes one of these games if he's not careful... nobody is wound so tight as this guy.
 


First off, I've been a Duke fan since the Johnny Dawkins, Tommy Amaker, Mark Alarie, Danny Ferry era. I agree that Coach K has a foul mouth. I agree that Duke has underachieved in recent years. I agree he isn't above criticism.

However, I still don't understand the level of blind rage levied toward him and his program. I mean, I don't like the Yankees, but I am still able to recognize when they have positive achievements. It's difficult to sit back and listen to people blindly swinging at the pinata without being able to recognize his positive impacts. He's had an UNBELIEVABLY successful career and has done amazing things for the Durham community and for basketball in general. Please note that I'm not ignoring his faults, just pointing out that he isn't actually the Devil (blue or any other color).

I think Duke's recent slide reflects a difficulty with the changing trends in college basketball. Coach K's success was based on recruiting high-character, high-quality athletes who stayed four years and developed the leadership to which he referred. It's hard to develop upperclassmen into leaders when you consistently turn the reigns over to exciting freshmen who lack seasoning. I think he's made a mistake by recruiting "one and done" talent while still running his program the way he always has. (Square peg, round hole.) To achieve the success he'd like, I think he'll need to either change his recruiting style, or change how he runs his program.
 



SelectionSunday said:
Rubs me the wrong way, has for quite some time. We all have folks who rub us the wrong way.

I would take a Final Four every 10 years at Minnesota, absolutely. Somehow I think Duke probably is held to a little higher standard than that, especially when its seed most every season falls in the #1, #2, or #3 ballpark. Seeds last 10 seasons:

05: #1 (dumped in Sweet 16)
06: #1 (dumped in Sweet 16)
07: #6 (1 & done)
08: #2 (dumped in Round of 32)
09: #2 (dumped in Sweet 16)
10: #1 (NCAA champs)
11: #1 (dumped in Sweet 16)
12: #2 (1 & done)
13: #2 (dumped in Elite 8)
14: #3 (1 & done)

Would be pretty difficult to find a bigger underachiever relative to seeding than Coach K the last 10 seasons. Don't hear that from anyone at ESPN or CBS/TNT, etc., for some reason (I can't hear you, Dukie V). Why is that? Instead we get to hear how wonderful it was that Coach K went into the Mercer locker room and congratulated Mercer. That makes him special? Coaches do that stuff all the time, but evidently it's only noteworthy when King K does it in front of the TV cameras.

These numbers would lead me to believe one of two things. Either (A) Duke has incredible talent every season but by & large massively underachieves in the postseason, or (B) the talent K acquires every recruiting season is consistently overrated by those who evaluate those type of things. It's one or the other, and I'd lean toward (A).
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Are you being serious? Underachiever? He's won two NCAA titles recently (2001, 2009) to add to the two he won in '91 and '92. Your take on coach K's success or lack of success is absolutely absurd. Isn't tomorrow April Fool's Day? This thread is a day early. Holy stupidity. If you think Coach K is an underachiever I'd hate to hear what you think of Don Lucia.
 

DMB123 said:
Are you being serious? Underachiever? He's won two NCAA titles recently (2001, 2009) to add to the two he won in '91 and '92. Your take on coach K's success or lack of success is absolutely absurd. Isn't tomorrow April Fool's Day? This thread is a day early. Holy stupidity. If you think Coach K is an underachiever I'd hate to hear what you think of Don Lucia.
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Unfortunately for you, only one of the four titles you mention is germane to the statement you're quoting, which is underachievement in the last 10 seasons.

Results vs expectations by year (solely based on seeding) - borrowing from Selection's extremely well laid out post:
05: -2
06: -2
07: -1
08: -2
09: -1
10: +2 (giving them credit for "not supposed" to win the F4 and championship games)
11: -2
12: -3
13: +0
14: -2

Total: underperformed by 13 games over the last 10 years in the NCAAs; this is even assuming that in the years they were a #1 seed, they shouldn't be "expected" to get any further than the Final 4
 

go_gophers said:
Coach K's success was based on recruiting high-character, high-quality athletes who stayed four years and developed the leadership to which he referred.
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You hit the nail on why he was/is hated. Because the national media tells us how special Duke is and how they are different from the rest of college basketball. Newsflash- most programs try to bring in high character, high quality guys who stay four years. Yet somehow with Duke, this gets mentioned, ad nauseum, with the explicit statement that Duke is different and better. It gets tiring to the rest of us who are not Duke fan boys.
 

Winnipegopher said:
You hit the nail on why he was/is hated. Because the national media tells us how special Duke is and how they are different from the rest of college basketball. Newsflash- most programs try to bring in high character, high quality guys who stay four years. Yet somehow with Duke, this gets mentioned, ad nauseum, with the explicit statement that Duke is different and better. It gets tiring to the rest of us who are not Duke fan boys.
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I absolutely believe this was true in the past, but do you still hear the media pouring on the praise like they used to, or is it leftover frustration from past overkill? I feel like Duke is treated the same as other so-called blue-bloods. Are they praised? Yup. So are other schools.
 

go_gophers said:
I absolutely believe this was true in the past, but do you still hear the media pouring on the praise like they used to,
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I think they absolutely do. At the very least, they don't dare criticize him like they would other top coaches with the type of talent they have.

Billy Donovan and Florida certainly don't get the recognition that Coach K and Duke do even though they have accomplished more in the past 10 years or so.

You mentioned the Yankees in another post, the difference between the two is that people aren't afraid to publicly criticize the Yankees.

I feel like Duke is treated the same as other so-called blue-bloods. Are they praised? Yup. So are other schools.
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I hear and read comments like "they does it the right way" more often about Duke than all other programs combined it seems. And it's not just Dukie V making these comments.
 

I think Coach K definitely deserves contempt over his remarks. He goes out there usually says that something other than his coaching was the reason his team lost, even when they get upset. He loves to say his team is "tired" - I guess his ability to motivate his team to play with energy is never questionable. He thinks his league is superior when it isn't. He always has to speak his mind and bring up topics that are tangential to him doing his job like security when teams rush the court against him.

I think there is real reason to question Coach K's ability to put together a Final Four caliber ball club in this day and age. He has to rely on his star players to stay 4 years to have truly elite teams. If they don't, then more often than not he's not ready with a backup plan to fill in the gaps well enough. Now that players are frequently 1 & done and 2 & done, he's struggled to keep Duke at the national elite level that he used to have them at regularly. He recruits very well but sometimes he does a poor job of addressing the needs that his team has at times and so he doesn't end up with complete basketball teams in some years. Clearly this past season they were lacking in terms of interior presence defensively, and that is in spite of Coach K getting multiple 4-stars in the frontcourt. I think you have to call into question Coach K's wisdom when it comes to how to build a team and not overlook the need for his team to be strong on D, as he has had many teams that are strong offensively but soft on defense, and that has been their downfall in the tournament on many occasions. Yet he keeps making the same mistakes.
 

OSUfan said:
I think Coach K definitely deserves contempt over his remarks. He goes out there usually says that something other than his coaching was the reason his team lost, even when they get upset. He loves to say his team is "tired" - I guess his ability to motivate his team to play with energy is never questionable. He thinks his league is superior when it isn't. He always has to speak his mind and bring up topics that are tangential to him doing his job like security when teams rush the court against him.

I think there is real reason to question Coach K's ability to put together a Final Four caliber ball club in this day and age. He has to rely on his star players to stay 4 years to have truly elite teams. If they don't, then more often than not he's not ready with a backup plan to fill in the gaps well enough. Now that players are frequently 1 & done and 2 & done, he's struggled to keep Duke at the national elite level that he used to have them at regularly. He recruits very well but sometimes he does a poor job of addressing the needs that his team has at times and so he doesn't end up with complete basketball teams in some years. Clearly this past season they were lacking in terms of interior presence defensively, and that is in spite of Coach K getting multiple 4-stars in the frontcourt. I think you have to call into question Coach K's wisdom when it comes to how to build a team and not overlook the need for his team to be strong on D, as he has had many teams that are strong offensively but soft on defense, and that has been their downfall in the tournament on many occasions. Yet he keeps making the same mistakes.
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...and he uses naughty words.
 

go_gophers said:
First off, I've been a Duke fan since the Johnny Dawkins, Tommy Amaker, Mark Alarie, Danny Ferry era. I agree that Coach K has a foul mouth. I agree that Duke has underachieved in recent years. I agree he isn't above criticism.

However, I still don't understand the level of blind rage levied toward him and his program. I mean, I don't like the Yankees, but I am still able to recognize when they have positive achievements. It's difficult to sit back and listen to people blindly swinging at the pinata without being able to recognize his positive impacts. He's had an UNBELIEVABLY successful career and has done amazing things for the Durham community and for basketball in general. Please note that I'm not ignoring his faults, just pointing out that he isn't actually the Devil (blue or any other color).

I think Duke's recent slide reflects a difficulty with the changing trends in college basketball. Coach K's success was based on recruiting high-character, high-quality athletes who stayed four years and developed the leadership to which he referred. It's hard to develop upperclassmen into leaders when you consistently turn the reigns over to exciting freshmen who lack seasoning. I think he's made a mistake by recruiting "one and done" talent while still running his program the way he always has. (Square peg, round hole.) To achieve the success he'd like, I think he'll need to either change his recruiting style, or change how he runs his program.
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Uh, no, you can win with 1 & done players. You just have to get your team to buy into playing defense. Calipari did it in 2012. This year's KY squad is another 1 & done heavy winner. It isn't the age, it's the talent. You've got to have great talent to go deep in the tourney, and K often has talent he just doesn't put together squads that turn into strong defensive outfits of late. Now that K is losing his more talented players more often, he is struggling to keep up the pace in recruiting top talent to replace top talent. And as I said he's not putting together very good defensive teams with the players he does get. A guy like Tyler Thornton, surely K could've gotten an unheralded but terrific defensive PG if he wanted one but he settled for Tyler Thornton.
 

OSUfan said:
Uh, no, you can win with 1 & done players. You just have to get your team to buy into playing defense. Calipari did it in 2012. This year's KY squad is another 1 & done heavy winner. It isn't the age, it's the talent. You've got to have great talent to go deep in the tourney, and K often has talent he just doesn't put together squads that turn into strong defensive outfits of late. Now that K is losing his more talented players more often, he is struggling to keep up the pace in recruiting top talent to replace top talent. And as I said he's not putting together very good defensive teams with the players he does get. A guy like Tyler Thornton, surely K could've gotten an unheralded but terrific defensive PG if he wanted one but he settled for Tyler Thornton.
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I wonder when we'll start to hear/read the old Notre Dame football excuse: Coach K would love to recruit a wider array of talent, but Duke's admissions are so rigorous he's at a disadvantage :rolleyes:
 

DMB123 said:
Are you being serious? Underachiever? He's won two NCAA titles recently (2001, 2009) to add to the two he won in '91 and '92. Your take on coach K's success or lack of success is absolutely absurd. Isn't tomorrow April Fool's Day? This thread is a day early. Holy stupidity. If you think Coach K is an underachiever I'd hate to hear what you think of Don Lucia.
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Oh goodie! DMB vs. SS. I wonder how this will play out?

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OSUfan said:
Uh, no, you can win with 1 & done players. You just have to get your team to buy into playing defense. Calipari did it in 2012. This year's KY squad is another 1 & done heavy winner. It isn't the age, it's the talent. You've got to have great talent to go deep in the tourney, and K often has talent he just doesn't put together squads that turn into strong defensive outfits of late. Now that K is losing his more talented players more often, he is struggling to keep up the pace in recruiting top talent to replace top talent. And as I said he's not putting together very good defensive teams with the players he does get. A guy like Tyler Thornton, surely K could've gotten an unheralded but terrific defensive PG if he wanted one but he settled for Tyler Thornton.
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If you'd have read my post (which was admittedly long), I criticized Coach K because I don't think he can run his program the way he does (which relies heavily on building a culture of leadership) and win with one-and-dones. Other people (like Coach Cal) have had success with it, to be sure.

I agree that they haven't been able to put together the defensive teams they've had in the past, but I'd add that they struggle on offense at times as well. The Duke teams I've enjoyed watching did a great job of sharing the ball and setting up their best scorers in the flow of the offense. They have very little flow and instead rely on their star to create something on their own.

To say that he is struggling to "keep up the pace in recruiting top talent to replace top talent" is a laughable comment that I will choose to ignore.

Tyler Thornton was a fairly lightly recruited, unheralded 3 star recruit until Duke started recruiting him. He then got bumped up to a 4 star. He is known for being limited offensively, but lauded for being a hard-working, pesky, disruptive defender both on the ball and off. I'm not sure what your point is on that one, either.

While I think there is definitely reasons to criticized Coach K, I still have trouble understanding the level of disdain and I have no idea why people seem to feel the need to manufacture false criticisms.
 

go_gophers said:
I still have trouble understanding the level of disdain and I have no idea why people seem to feel the need to manufacture false criticisms.
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That question could be asked of the entire basketball board in general.
 

DMB123 said:
Are you being serious? Underachiever? He's won two NCAA titles recently (2001, 2009) to add to the two he won in '91 and '92. Your take on coach K's success or lack of success is absolutely absurd. Isn't tomorrow April Fool's Day? This thread is a day early. Holy stupidity. If you think Coach K is an underachiever I'd hate to hear what you think of Don Lucia.
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If you want to know what everyone thinks of Don Lucia, go over to the hockey board for multiple threads discussing him underachieving come tournament time. For a program of Duke bball or Gopher hockey caliber, getting a 1-seed and then losing in the Sweet 16 is considered a bad year.
 

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