Predictable PJ

Yes I mean Wisconsin.

I think if Fickell is still the coach we dominate them
I think if Fickell is fired before Nov 14 I think we dominate them.
It’s if it’s the first or second game after a firing that worries me
The quitting may have already started.

I was unable to copy the link at the proper time, but fast forward to 6:16 where fickell admits to some arguing in the locker room.

Some rumors are that Billy Edwards is just sitting out so he can use a medical redshirt and GTFO of that dumpster fire.

 

Because there are fans that truly believe they are more invested then the players and coaches in the success of the program.

So they listen to the press conferences and get pissed off because even though there isn't a damn thing the coach could say after a game like that that would make them happy they will still get pissed that the coach didn't find a way to say that impossible thing.
These things happen. Coaches say what coaches say. That said, the frequency we hear these things as Gopher fans is concerning in years 7-9.
 

I don’t think any of those things are true.
Yesterday inexperienced coordinators got out schemed on scripted drives. 10-0
Interception for a touchdown 17-0
Punt return touchdown 24-0


yesterday was more on coordinators being worse than iowas and lines being worse than iowas

What part of yesterday makes you think it was fear?
If fleck had more confidence the OL wouldn’t be overwhelmed?
As somone said in a different thread, he shouldn't get his automatic extension and any additional money should go into the coaches pool.
 

As somone said in a different thread, he shouldn't get his automatic extension and any additional money should go into the coaches pool.
If you don’t trust him to make his own decisions about assistants then you probably should fire him

And I don’t think either coordinator needs a raise
 





So you don't trust him.
I think he made choices to develop them instead of hire experience.
So far it doesn’t look like a good choice to me. But I trust him to make the choice and don’t think we should fire fleck at this point
I would’ve preferred he hired experience from outside the program.

Maybe in 5 weeks or 13 months I’ll feel differently.


I also have said I think it might be good for both parties to have fresh starts if he left on his own.
 

I think he made choices to develop them instead of hire experience.
So far it doesn’t look like a good choice to me. But I trust him to make the choice and don’t think we should fire fleck at this point
I would’ve preferred he hired experience from outside the program.

Maybe in 5 weeks or 13 months I’ll feel differently.


I also have said I think it might be good for both parties to have fresh starts if he left on his own.
I don't think he should be fired either. He should understand that games like Saturday are not acceptable and he needs to make the changes necessary. Not giving him the automatic extension seems to be one way to get that across to him. I think he completely comfortable. Maybe it helps, maybe it doesn't, but at least try something. I still feel 8-4 is definitely achievable, but harder after this type of loss if he can't get the team really focused going forward.
 



I don't think he should be fired either. He should understand that games like Saturday are not acceptable and he needs to make the changes necessary. Not giving him the automatic extension seems to be one way to get that across to him. I think he completely comfortable. Maybe it helps, maybe it doesn't, but at least try something. I still feel 8-4 is definitely achievable, but harder after this type of loss if he can't get the team really focused going forward.
I’m fine giving the auto extension of one year if it doesn’t increase the buyout
 

So you have no answer. Got it.

Gophers came out throwing yesterday.
In the first half 6 called runs, 15 called passes.
There were a lot of problems yesterday. I’ll wait for you to point to some evidence of fear being the primary issue.

6 of the first 9 called plays were passes.
2/4 and sacked twice.

The issue is the lines + a freshmen QB + coordinators not good enough to overcome those facts
I provided you with an answer. You either don't recognize it or don't want to recognize it.
 

It was an ass kicking.
Not sure what I’m ignoring

What we disagree upon is the reasons for the ass kicking. You think if fleck was less scared we win.
I don’t think that was the reason. Agree to disagree

Fleck has actually had a lot more success vs Iowa when playing conservative compared to when playing aggressive.

The conservative games are when it’s close late. The aggressive games is when the gophers dig a big hole. Only once have they been able to dig out of a hole and make it close (2019).
Lots of aggression yesterday. With 13:33 left in quarter two, it was 17-0.
 

Lots of aggression yesterday. With 13:33 left in quarter two, it was 17-0.
What do you want them to do other than throw the ball 2/3 of the time? Lol

Aggression is good!
Losing is bad!

Good answer: you should run for governor
 






3 man rushes on third and long?
Well considering we are awful at man to man I’m glad we didn’t rush 5
But I would’ve preferred 4


The defense was the third biggest problem yesterday between offense defense and special teams

After the first drive Iowa had 200 yards the rest of the game

On a day when the defense gave up fewer than 300 yards…not blitzing enough isn’t the reason you lost. But I agree the defense has been bad early in games vs big ten coaching. I would argue they play too much man not the other way around. Like the touchdown on first drive whole defense was discombobulated playing man. If you were more conservative and played zone it would’ve been harder for them
 


Well considering we are awful at man to man I’m glad we didn’t rush 5
But I would’ve preferred 4


The defense was the third biggest problem yesterday between offense defense and special teams

After the first drive Iowa had 200 yards the rest of the game

On a day when the defense gave up fewer than 300 yards…not blitzing enough isn’t the reason you lost. But I agree the defense has been bad early in games vs big ten coaching. I would argue they play too much man not the other way around. Like the touchdown on first drive whole defense was discombobulated playing man. If you were more conservative and played zone it would’ve been harder for them
My post didnt say the defense was the problem, nor did it argue whether the 3 man rush was a good idea or a bad idea (though ive shared my thoughts on that elsewhere). I was just answering the question of what we did that was conservative, and 3 man rush on third and long certainly is.
 


My post didnt say the defense was the problem, nor did it argue whether the 3 man rush was a good idea or a bad idea (though ive shared my thoughts on that elsewhere). I was just answering the question of what we did that was conservative, and 3 man rush on third and long certainly is.
Playing 2 man under on third and long isn’t really conservative or aggressive, in my opinion.
Though I don’t like it
 



How about putting in some new players? Can’t get any worse. Lose by 38, 48 or 50. What’s the difference? Give others a chance.
I honestly didn’t get to watch the last quarter and a half but I agree maybe some backups should’ve gotten some play

I’m not sure that fixes what people are mad about though
 

Ask a football question.
What part of yesterday was conservative apart from the losing?

You’re really smart.
I asked you first

Someone answered 2 man under on third down. Which I actually agree with! I don’t like it. But it isn’t in the top 5 reasons the team lost, IMO

You haven’t said anything football in this whole thread.
Maybe if fleck got more angry we would win
 
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3 man rushes on third and long?
In defense of that, a three man rush puts 8 in zone coverage, all facing the QB. It’s an easier in zone to get after an athletic QB who takes off running, because he is observed by all DBs and backers. In man coverage, you’ve got three or four cover guys watching a receiver first, often with backs turned to the QB. A team with a truly dangerous QB sometimes forces this coverage on passing downs. This is especially germane for the Gophers, who likely do no meaningful practice against a seasoned, dangerous running QB ( as we don’t have one).
 

I think he made choices to develop them instead of hire experience.
So far it doesn’t look like a good choice to me. But I trust him to make the choice and don’t think we should fire fleck at this point
I would’ve preferred he hired experience from outside the program.

Maybe in 5 weeks or 13 months I’ll feel differently.


I also have said I think it might be good for both parties to have fresh starts if he left on his own.
The more this goes on, the more curious I am on PJ's approach. Is he hiring below his budget to focus on his long term legacy (He wants to be lauded for his coaching tree in the talking points he writes for the SID to hand out 10 years from now, so he's hiring unqualified people?) at the expense of putting the best possible team on the field? That diesn't make sense, but it's plausible.

Or is he hiring this way because experienced coordinators won't work for him for one reason or another.

Multiple scenarios on either side, but Harbaugh is i in year three. The results remain wildly inconsistent. Is he better today than he was in 2023? Arguably he has improved. Is he qualified to be a coordinator in the B1G? No.

A lot of coaches hire former coordinators or head coaches as coordinators. If Coyle won't provide the money to do it, mushmouth needs to fix it.

If PJ's ego or heavy hand on controlling every aspect of the program is the reason, PJ needs to grow up.
 

The more this goes on, the more curious I am on PJ's approach. Is he hiring below his budget to focus on his long term legacy (He wants to be lauded for his coaching tree in the talking points he writes for the SID to hand out 10 years from now, so he's hiring unqualified people?) at the expense of putting the best possible team on the field? That diesn't make sense, but it's plausible.

Or is he hiring this way because experienced coordinators won't work for him for one reason or another.

Multiple scenarios on either side, but Harbaugh is i in year three. The results remain wildly inconsistent. Is he better today than he was in 2023? Arguably he has improved. Is he qualified to be a coordinator in the B1G? No.

A lot of coaches hire former coordinators or head coaches as coordinators. If Coyle won't provide the money to do it, mushmouth needs to fix it.

If PJ's ego or heavy hand on controlling every aspect of the program is the reason, PJ needs to grow up.
It’s interesting for suee

There are nearly infinite people who would’ve taken a salary between Harbaugh and Kirk C’s salary to be OC
 




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