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I see your point. There will be costs/benefits either way (fire or not).
Poll voting: Time to Man-Up on why you think Brewster will be back next year
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I see your point. There will be costs/benefits either way (fire or not).
I'm one of the last to check in. I feel that allowing the current President/AD combination select the next coach (no argument that a one is needed) would likely set the program back even further. The incoming President/AD combination must be allowed to select the new coach in order to insure everyone is on the same page. Who knows, another year of Brewster @Co. may be enough to insure the current situation never happens again.
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It is entirely possible that the "lame duck" administration at the U will freeze...
and do nothing about the football program. However, the outcome of the games is going to have an incredibly significant impact on the entire situation. A win at Purdue would buy a week's worth of time. A loss at Purdue will increase the pressure to fire. The following week PSU rolls into town. PSU appears to be a fairly weak PSU team. A win by the Gophers (especially if it follows a win at Purdue) could lure Maturi and Prexy B into a very false sense of security. They might just about be feeling as though they can skate by without having to make a move. A loss to PSU, following a loss to Purdue would have the boosters tracking down the prexy and his ad every where they turn.
Wins over Purdue and PSU would keep the heat off even with a blow out loss to OSU. OSU is #1 this week and every week they win, they will be doing everything they can do to ROLL ON. And, roll on they will in Minneapolis. But, no one will get too upset about that.
It will be the trips to Champaign and East Lansing that will make or break the deal for the perxy b and maturi. Two more losses could seal the deal. A win and a loss would really freeze prexy dead in his tracks as he begins planning to escape for his "lame duck Holiday Semester break" get away south of the border somewhere. Two wins following wins over Purdue and PSU would probably bring Brewster back, but, we know the odds are not great for that combination of wins.
That brings us "lame duck decision day." With a 3-8...2-9...1-10 record gong into "kinnick north day", prexy b would have NO choice other than to fire Brewster and appoint one of the coordinators as the acting coach for the game for Floyd. A 4-7 record or better and Brewster closes out the season as the coach. (That would take 3 wins out of the final 6 Big Ten games...what are the odds that will happen?)
But, if that last game turns TCF BANK STADIUM into a bleak "Kinnick north..." setting, prexy b might just as well skip town and NEVER come back. There would be no corner of SKI-U-MAH Campus that would provide him shelter, comfort or refuge. His "lame duck" status would be transformed to a "dead-duck" status. It would have been far better for him to have made a move than to ever think he could hide behind the "duckus limpakus" excuse he often times has attempted to hide behind as of late. Would he still try to extend maturi for another two years? Or, will he merely wash his hands of maturi and offer him up as a peace offering to all of the faithful who now want a prexy-ectomy to be a large part of prexy b's severence package?
If the losses continue, Brewster must be gone before the Iowa game.
and do nothing about the football program. However, the outcome of the games is going to have an incredibly significant impact on the entire situation. A win at Purdue would buy a week's worth of time. A loss at Purdue will increase the pressure to fire. The following week PSU rolls into town. PSU appears to be a fairly weak PSU team. A win by the Gophers (especially if it follows a win at Purdue) could lure Maturi and Prexy B into a very false sense of security. They might just about be feeling as though they can skate by without having to make a move. A loss to PSU, following a loss to Purdue would have the boosters tracking down the prexy and his ad every where they turn.
Wins over Purdue and PSU would keep the heat off even with a blow out loss to OSU. OSU is #1 this week and every week they win, they will be doing everything they can do to ROLL ON. And, roll on they will in Minneapolis. But, no one will get too upset about that.
It will be the trips to Champaign and East Lansing that will make or break the deal for the perxy b and maturi. Two more losses could seal the deal. A win and a loss would really freeze prexy dead in his tracks as he begins planning to escape for his "lame duck Holiday Semester break" get away south of the border somewhere. Two wins following wins over Purdue and PSU would probably bring Brewster back, but, we know the odds are not great for that combination of wins.
That brings us "lame duck decision day." With a 3-8...2-9...1-10 record gong into "kinnick north day", prexy b would have NO choice other than to fire Brewster and appoint one of the coordinators as the acting coach for the game for Floyd. A 4-7 record or better and Brewster closes out the season as the coach. (That would take 3 wins out of the final 6 Big Ten games...what are the odds that will happen?)
But, if that last game turns TCF BANK STADIUM into a bleak "Kinnick north..." setting, prexy b might just as well skip town and NEVER come back. There would be no corner of SKI-U-MAH Campus that would provide him shelter, comfort or refuge. His "lame duck" status would be transformed to a "dead-duck" status. It would have been far better for him to have made a move than to ever think he could hide behind the "duckus limpakus" excuse he often times has attempted to hide behind as of late. Would he still try to extend maturi for another two years? Or, will he merely wash his hands of maturi and offer him up as a peace offering to all of the faithful who now want a prexy-ectomy to be a large part of prexy b's severence package?
If the losses continue, Brewster must be gone before the Iowa game.
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Sweet call-out thread, tough guy. I posted this elsewhere, but will include it here as well.
While Brewster has certainly made mistakes along the way, I am not yet ready to throw in the towel. Sure, we are 1-5; and, yes, we lost to USD and Northern Illinois. However, this team has not quit on him and is still playing hard - no small feat for a head coach with a 1-5 team that has suffered the losses we have.
So, why am I not yet on the "fire Brewster" bandwagon? For the following reasons:
1) One of the mistakes Brew made was not to install the current offensive scheme in year one. Had he done so, we would be further along today. That said, we now have implemented the most effective scheme for the U to win in the B10. I do not want to go back to the spread. This dove-tails into #2;
2) Simple - continuity. With the hurdles the U has internally (see Vingo's post earlier today in a different thread re: central administration, etc.), it takes longer than normal (ie. longer than Ferentz in IA or Alvarez in WI) to turn this program around. In the past, firing/changes coaches has not made a difference and led to the success we all wish to see. I feel strongly that changes need to be made at the administrative level at the U;
3) Brew takes a lot of heat for his optimism and rose-colored glasses. While I will grant that he has said some things he should not have, I appreciate his enthusiasm and commitment. With the negativity in this town, and the uphill battle this program faces, those qualities in a head coach are much needed;
4) Recruiting ability. I know this has been debated at length and many feel the "talent" has not yet panned out, but I do feel we are more athletic than in recent memory. I would like to see how the underclassmen develop in the next 1-2 years. Sadly, however, the current negativity generated by some fans and local media may drastically affect the current recruiting class; and
5) In basically a summary point, I believe we are better off waiting another year or two to see if Brewster can turn this thing around than starting over at square one again. If we make a coaching change, we are almost guaranteed a minimum of 3-5 years of ineptitude, as we change schemes, the new coach brings in "his" players and we wait for them to develop. Given that alternative, I am not yet ready to throw in the towel on Brew.
While Brewster has certainly made mistakes along the way, I am not yet ready to throw in the towel. Sure, we are 1-5; and, yes, we lost to USD and Northern Illinois. However, this team has not quit on him and is still playing hard - no small feat for a head coach with a 1-5 team that has suffered the losses we have.
So, why am I not yet on the "fire Brewster" bandwagon? For the following reasons:
1) One of the mistakes Brew made was not to install the current offensive scheme in year one. Had he done so, we would be further along today. That said, we now have implemented the most effective scheme for the U to win in the B10. I do not want to go back to the spread. This dove-tails into #2;
2) Simple - continuity. With the hurdles the U has internally (see Vingo's post earlier today in a different thread re: central administration, etc.), it takes longer than normal (ie. longer than Ferentz in IA or Alvarez in WI) to turn this program around. In the past, firing/changes coaches has not made a difference and led to the success we all wish to see. I feel strongly that changes need to be made at the administrative level at the U;
3) Brew takes a lot of heat for his optimism and rose-colored glasses. While I will grant that he has said some things he should not have, I appreciate his enthusiasm and commitment. With the negativity in this town, and the uphill battle this program faces, those qualities in a head coach are much needed;
4) Recruiting ability. I know this has been debated at length and many feel the "talent" has not yet panned out, but I do feel we are more athletic than in recent memory. I would like to see how the underclassmen develop in the next 1-2 years. Sadly, however, the current negativity generated by some fans and local media may drastically affect the current recruiting class; and
5) In basically a summary point, I believe we are better off waiting another year or two to see if Brewster can turn this thing around than starting over at square one again. If we make a coaching change, we are almost guaranteed a minimum of 3-5 years of ineptitude, as we change schemes, the new coach brings in "his" players and we wait for them to develop. Given that alternative, I am not yet ready to throw in the towel on Brew.
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You go rosie! Who the heck is going to make up for the loss of contributions for the scholarship funds for their student athletes, and the loss of season ticket sales if Brewster goes 1-11 or 2-10 overall or 0-8 in the Big Ten or 1-7 in Big Ten play in 2010? You have got to be counting the wins vs the losses, especially the Big Ten wins minus the Big Ten losses in 2010. Unfortunately, Brewster already had a 0-8 Big Ten season in 2007. That was a killer. Another 0-8 Big Ten record, or 1-7 Big Ten record in 2010 would signify the absolute end of existence for Brewster in Minnesota. He could NOT be sold by prexy b or the new prexy (who won't come on board until sometime in the spring or summer of 2011.)
TCF BANK STADIUM was a 275 million dollar investment that the U of M made. It can NOT be business as usual (when the administration of the U just turns it's back and ignors the football situation and really doesn't care what the people who buy the season tickets think. The U now has TCF BANK STADIUM as a ball and chain that it MUST attend to. That is one of the things I LOVE about the new stadium. The U just can NOT walk away and pretend that nothing is wrong. That stadium will follow them...will haunt them...will NOT go away, no matter how hard the administration wishes it would go away. They can not afford a damaged goods coach. They can not tolerate 0-8 or 1-7 Big Ten records. They must make TCF BANK STADIUM work. That is their ONLY option.
TCF BANK STADIUM was a 275 million dollar investment that the U of M made. It can NOT be business as usual (when the administration of the U just turns it's back and ignors the football situation and really doesn't care what the people who buy the season tickets think. The U now has TCF BANK STADIUM as a ball and chain that it MUST attend to. That is one of the things I LOVE about the new stadium. The U just can NOT walk away and pretend that nothing is wrong. That stadium will follow them...will haunt them...will NOT go away, no matter how hard the administration wishes it would go away. They can not afford a damaged goods coach. They can not tolerate 0-8 or 1-7 Big Ten records. They must make TCF BANK STADIUM work. That is their ONLY option.
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This is one of the most absurdly ridiculous things I've read on Gopherhole in a long time...and that's really saying something.
Decker was a developing stud in his RS FR year under Mase (2006). Being subjected to Brew's constant scheme indecision and staff turnover would've only hindered Decker's development, not helped it.
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Dpodall is right, and Rodent, this bunch is gutless, so they will make no lameduck decisions.
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If he comes back, I'm done. I'm a life-long season ticket holder and I've given up all hope. He was hired to take us to the next level UPk, not DOWN. This was clearly the wrong hire. Another year with a lame duck coach will destroy recruiting, destroy the fan base, what there is left of it, and simply delay the innevitable. He should be gone before the Iowa game.
2006 • FRESHMAN SEASON: Appeared in all 13 games with three starts • caught 26 passes for 378 yards with three touchdowns • Game-by-Game: first reception of his career went for a 39-yard touchdown in the season opener at Kent State (8/31) • made the first start of his career against Temple (9/16) • had his first career rushing attempt against the Owls • had the first multi-catch game of his career at Purdue (9/23) • also attempted a pass against the Boilermakers, a 22-yard completion to Amir Pinnix • set a career-high with 66 yards on four receptions against Penn State (10/7) • made a spectacular catch in overtime against the Nittany Lions for the second touchdown of his career • caught three balls for 26 yards at Wisconsin (10/14) • had two catches for 23 yards against NDSU (10/21) • caught three passes for 31 yards at Ohio State (10/28) • had a career-high five catches for 65 yards and the opening touchdown of the game against Indiana (11/4) • caught two passes for 36 yards against Iowa (11/18) • had two catches for 41 yards in the Insight Bowl against Texas Tech (12/29) • participated in 480 plays • Academic All-Big Ten selection • scholar-athlete award winner • earned first letter.
We might have different definitions of "developing stud".
Brew and his staff did a pretty good job in improving and developing LB's as evident by the players that graduated last year. A hand full of defensive players getting serious looks by nfl teams. Not to bad for Mason recruits who even the former coach and supports were saying this team needed to rebuild going into 07.
Brewster has been a bust so far as a coach in terms of game plan, X's and O's, but the players on the field have individually show improvement over the first 3 years on defense and the past two years on offense.
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You just proved Zepplin's take. 26 catches and 3 td's with 3 starts is the perfect example of developing. If he was already at stud level he would caught 60 passes, but he showed exactly what was to come with more time. Everyone who was paying attention knew this kid was going to be special after watching him that year. Same with Barber III. No one thought that he was going to be the running back of the future when he came here, but after a couple of games you could just tell he was going to overtake Terry Jackson and Thomas Tapaeh as "the guy".
Starts doesn't equal playing time. Those are nice stats for a red shirt freshman, but I could find many examples of red shirt freshman with those stats that don't develop into Studs. The fact that you thought he would be a stud and he turned out to be a stud doesn't mean he was completely developed when Mase got canned, but I suppose you and I technically live in different markets so my information could come through a different filter than yours.
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I'm not even referring to Mase at all with this. I'm just saying Decker showed he was going to be great early on even if it took another year to prove it. This is the most I've written about a coach I didn't even like lol. Time for me to go home.
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If you want to give Brew credit for developing Campbell and Triplett into solid LBs, go ahead.
But Decker is a terrible example. He was going to be a great player regardless. Inferring that he wouldn't have developed into the same player had Mase stuck around is absurd, especially when considering Mase's exceptional record taking lightly recruited offensive recruits and turning them into NFL players.
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Yes.......and it was delicious!
One time. I was duck and goose hunting in a plowed field one time with a buddy of mine. We saw some ducks land over a hill and we decided to crawl over and ambush them, when out of nowhere a hawk swooped down and snatched a mallard and tried to fly away with it. One of the coolest things I've ever seen, scared the crap out of us. My buddy decided to chase the hawk and he dropped the duck, which was pretty messed up by some talons by the way. My buddy picked it up and put it in his game vest. I yelled, "Nice shot". It was a lame duck and then a cooked duck.