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Need to find more offense as clearly big 10 good offenses are beating our defense. Washington was able to pick apart our D and get any shot they wanted for most of the game. This team without Braun and Woodson has the talent to be an NCAA team. Had Braun and Woodson stayed heathy you would be looking to get to at least the sweet 16.
Sounds (and in watching, it also looked) to me that we need to be much better defensively! In looking at the rest of the Big Ten, I think you vastly overrated the talent on our Gophers team. We have some nice pieces, but with who we suited up after Braun and Woodson went down, we are not an NCAA team. Healthy all year, maybe we are!
 

I totally agree drewhaus7. Scoring 57 points in a Big Ten game isn't going to win many games at that level. Apparently, Dawn hasn't gotten that memo yet. She's not good at player development. She is bringing in some higher profile offensive players in the next 2 classes but will they play. If she didn't play a top 60 player nationally will She play them?
No coach in the world is going to consistently play somebody who has trouble figuring out your offensive system and hasn't yet learned how to play defense at the college level. More often than not, it takes players time to figure out the college game. A few get it right away (Tori-and she was forced into action because of Braun's injury), some take most of a season and some take longer than that. In fact, from what I've watched at many different levels is that the biggest jump usually happens between the sophomore and junior year.
 

Coach P has made the team at least competitive against most of the upper tier conference opponents. My one concern is the 0-4 home record against Michigan Iowa, Oregon and Washington knowing you needed to win one or two to solidify a NCCA invite. Not sure how much that falls on coaching but no way should that happen. Teams with lesser talent or having injuries somehow find a way to pull off an upset or unexpected victory and yet our Gopher’s never do.
 

Coach P has made the team at least competitive against most of the upper tier conference opponents. My one concern is the 0-4 home record against Michigan Iowa, Oregon and Washington knowing you needed to win one or two to solidify a NCCA invite. Not sure how much that falls on coaching but no way should that happen. Teams with lesser talent or having injuries somehow find a way to pull off an upset or unexpected victory and yet our Gopher’s never do.
The Gophers played six home games against teams with superior talent and they won two of them. They might have needed one or two more to make the tourney but we will see. The Michigan game was there for the taking but superior talent eventually made the plays needed to win. And they came close at Ohio State but ultimately failed to seal the deal. So it was a frustrating season to be sure.

Normally, I’d say it would serve them better to make a deep WBIT run than to have a brief NCAA appearance. But with Braun, Woodson, and so many of the rest of the top players coming back, I really hope they make the NCAA and get a taste of it because I think they will have the horses to make a deep NCAA run next season.
 

I can say with a high level of confidence that she is the second-best coach we’ve ever had, behind only Frese, and I’m thankful we have her. She will get the most out of whomever she is coaching. I think we will see a steady improvement in recruiting as well. There really is no limit to what this program can become if we can be competitive with other B1G programs in this revenue-sharing/NIL environment. The program will be in very good hands if she chooses to remain here.
We all have opinions...and I would disagree. Pam Borton took the Gophers to the Final Four.
She had the rug pulled out from under her by Norwood....new to the party wanting his own coaches. Borton had her best team in place in her next season that she didn't get to coach.
Well aware, not everybody liked her. I did.

Coach P absolutely has a good track record. But what I have seen with Gophers gives me zero inspiration. Woodson and Stewart were great pickups. The 6th man point guard recruits each season have not been Big Ten worthy. Braun was awesome in 3 on 3 over the first summer...pretty much seems to have descended since. Shot 29% from three thru her 5 games this season...Coach P gets her zero open looks or has any helpful actions to put Braun in a position to succeed.
Battle still looks lost often....and she's capable of being really good.
She did post Grace up...I liked that addition to her game.

They try hard, they play hard, they get yelled at a lot....is that the bar to be a good Big Ten coach?

They were 0 and 6 in quad 1 games. 2 and 5 in quad 2. A whooping 16 and 0 in quad four wins....most good teams play 9 or less of those. 2 wins in quad 3 to get their 20. So, 2 and 11 versus better teams.

I agree, if everybody returns as planned they will be better next year and they were better this year.
But we did finish in 13th place. How much higher do we get?
 


I agree with you on Coach Borton. Until someone else takes us to the Final Four, she has to rank first or second. I didn't always agree with her coaching, but she was a class act. It may be hard to believe, but somehow or other I obtained her email address. I sent her numerous emails over the years, sometimes asking for recruiting info and sometimes congratulating her for good wins. Some of my emails were, I'm embarrassed to say, highly critical. In every case she graciously answered my question(s) and usually within a short period of time. Looking back I see how unusual that was. I can't conceive of any coach doing that today.
 

I think you also have to give Coach P some grace as she truly took on what she was given and has adapted the roster through traditional means. She has taken some portal players, but she did not blow the thing up when she came in.
 

I agree with you on Coach Borton. Until someone else takes us to the Final Four, she has to rank first or second. I didn't always agree with her coaching, but she was a class act. It may be hard to believe, but somehow or other I obtained her email address. I sent her numerous emails over the years, sometimes asking for recruiting info and sometimes congratulating her for good wins. Some of my emails were, I'm embarrassed to say, highly critical. In every case she graciously answered my question(s) and usually within a short period of time. Looking back I see how unusual that was. I can't conceive of any coach doing that today.
2003/2004, our Final Four year, the average attendance for conference home games was 11281… it was exciting to watch wbb. we averaged 65 pts/game & the opposition was 59 pts/game. The year before it was 74/65. Coach Borton was a very defensive minded coach, but I believed then as I do now that she “stepped aside” and gave a Whalen/McCarville led team free rein. The team in Whalen’s absence played just well enough to get into the NCAA tournament.
In April of 2006, 5 players and one assistant coach left the team. It was characterized as a ‘mis-communication’. The incident made national headlines. That 2005-2006 season our attendance was 9357… down 1924… points scored and allowed was 67/65.
In the 08/09 season, we made the NCAA 2nd round. Our attendance was 6521, down 4760 from 03/04… pts scored and allowed was 56/56. Season tickets holders, like myself, were grumbling about how boring the games had become… and what was happening to our attendance.
In Coach Borton’s final season, 2013/2014 our attendance was 3352, down 7929 from 03/04… points scored/allowed was 69/68.
I understand the need for defense, but it’s high scoring offense that creates energy. Most people only have so much discretionary income and want to be entertained when spending those $$$. Coach Borton’s teams had become boring to watch and the fans left. Once they are gone, they have new interests and it’s hard to get them back.
In closing this lengthy post, I believe exciting games draw fans… more fans lure better recruits (because they like crowds)… and better players are exciting to watch and draw in more fans… it’s a feedback loop. Defense versus offense… it’s not either/or, both/and.
 

2003/2004, our Final Four year, the average attendance for conference home games was 11281… it was exciting to watch wbb. we averaged 65 pts/game & the opposition was 59 pts/game. The year before it was 74/65. Coach Borton was a very defensive minded coach, but I believed then as I do now that she “stepped aside” and gave a Whalen/McCarville led team free rein. The team in Whalen’s absence played just well enough to get into the NCAA tournament.
In April of 2006, 5 players and one assistant coach left the team. It was characterized as a ‘mis-communication’. The incident made national headlines. That 2005-2006 season our attendance was 9357… down 1924… points scored and allowed was 67/65.
In the 08/09 season, we made the NCAA 2nd round. Our attendance was 6521, down 4760 from 03/04… pts scored and allowed was 56/56. Season tickets holders, like myself, were grumbling about how boring the games had become… and what was happening to our attendance.
In Coach Borton’s final season, 2013/2014 our attendance was 3352, down 7929 from 03/04… points scored/allowed was 69/68.
I understand the need for defense, but it’s high scoring offense that creates energy. Most people only have so much discretionary income and want to be entertained when spending those $$$. Coach Borton’s teams had become boring to watch and the fans left. Once they are gone, they have new interests and it’s hard to get them back.
In closing this lengthy post, I believe exciting games draw fans… more fans lure better recruits (because they like crowds)… and better players are exciting to watch and draw in more fans… it’s a feedback loop. Defense versus offense… it’s not either/or, both/and.
I am not arguing with you. I was ready for a change by the end of her tenure too. I'm just saying she (along with Whalen and McCarville) took us somewhere where the program had never been before or since. I also enjoyed her interactions with the fans at the luncheons we had during each season. If you asked her a question, she would give you an honest reply and not blow smoke.
 



I am not arguing with you. I was ready for a change by the end of her tenure too. I'm just saying she (along with Whalen and McCarville) took us somewhere where the program had never been before or since. I also enjoyed her interactions with the fans at the luncheons we had during each season. If you asked her a question, she would give you an honest reply and not blow smoke.
... and I agree with you. The lunches, the dinners at Jax's., the radio show at Applebees, the 150 members in the FBC, Terry McFarland's weekly emails, traveling to watch the games were all wonderful experiences, but the fact remains that attendance dropped 8000 people/game during Borton's tenure... that's a lot of revenue... and today that revenue could be put to use attracting better players.
 

2003/2004, our Final Four year, the average attendance for conference home games was 11281… it was exciting to watch wbb. we averaged 65 pts/game & the opposition was 59 pts/game. The year before it was 74/65. Coach Borton was a very defensive minded coach, but I believed then as I do now that she “stepped aside” and gave a Whalen/McCarville led team free rein. The team in Whalen’s absence played just well enough to get into the NCAA tournament.
In April of 2006, 5 players and one assistant coach left the team. It was characterized as a ‘mis-communication’. The incident made national headlines. That 2005-2006 season our attendance was 9357… down 1924… points scored and allowed was 67/65.
In the 08/09 season, we made the NCAA 2nd round. Our attendance was 6521, down 4760 from 03/04… pts scored and allowed was 56/56. Season tickets holders, like myself, were grumbling about how boring the games had become… and what was happening to our attendance.
In Coach Borton’s final season, 2013/2014 our attendance was 3352, down 7929 from 03/04… points scored/allowed was 69/68.
I understand the need for defense, but it’s high scoring offense that creates energy. Most people only have so much discretionary income and want to be entertained when spending those $$$. Coach Borton’s teams had become boring to watch and the fans left. Once they are gone, they have new interests and it’s hard to get them back.
In closing this lengthy post, I believe exciting games draw fans… more fans lure better recruits (because they like crowds)… and better players are exciting to watch and draw in more fans… it’s a feedback loop. Defense versus offense… it’s not either/or, both/and.
Agree with this. I shared season tickets for several years and traveled approximately 90 minutes to each game. My last year (can’t remember the year) I said I was done and never renewed again. It got really boring to watch 50-47 games, .500 conference record and first round tournament exits etc. I do appreciate good defense and I still believe defense wins championships, however you do need players to make uncontested shots, layups etc. I have continued to follow the program and try to attend a few games each season. I really do like this current team and want them to do well. I just wish they could add an efficient scorer so that when they get behind you feel like they are never out of it and that they can come back. This team did comeback several times but mostly just came up short.
 

All money making sports at Minnesota are mediocre year after year. Coyle needs to get alum, fans, donors and especially corporations to help with NUL fundraising . It’s here and time to take advantage of it now that it’s legal. The AD is the problem I think.
 

All money making sports at Minnesota are mediocre year after year. Coyle needs to get alum, fans, donors and especially corporations to help with NUL fundraising . It’s here and time to take advantage of it now that it’s legal. The AD is the problem I think.
It does feel like Coyle could do a better job of fund raising. I understand the issue of having multiple professional teams in the same market which other schools don’t always have the competition for support. I like the DTA idea and it’s seems we should have more alumni financial support. Winning always brings more fans but in this NIL era U have to spend more money to recruit better athletes.
 



I can say with a high level of confidence that she is the second-best coach we’ve ever had, behind only Frese, and I’m thankful we have her. She will get the most out of whomever she is coaching. I think we will see a steady improvement in recruiting as well. There really is no limit to what this program can become if we can be competitive with other B1G programs in this revenue-sharing/NIL environment. The program will be in very good hands if she chooses to remain here.
They lost several winnable games down the stretch and missed the big dance again. But wait, that probably is Lindsay Whalen’s fault also.
 

Coach P has made the team at least competitive against most of the upper tier conference opponents. My one concern is the 0-4 home record against Michigan Iowa, Oregon and Washington knowing you needed to win one or two to solidify a NCCA invite. Not sure how much that falls on coaching but no way should that happen. Teams with lesser talent or having injuries somehow find a way to pull off an upset or unexpected victory and yet our Gopher’s never do.
Lindsay Whalen’s fault!
 

Lindsay Whalen’s fault!
We get it you love Lindsey, so did I. Not as a coach though, she was not good in that position. She needed to spend time learning the job but not as the head coach. Dawn has paid her dues at every stop, including as a head coach. This is year two, we are improving, I’m inclined to think we are going to get up the hill.
 

And, you have to remember it was just two years ago she was hired. No chance to get most of the current Minnesota kids who have committed elsewhere. Those kids were deciding where to go when Dawn was still at South Dakota. It's a long haul on the recruiting side - but Dawn and her staff are working hard to get 'em.
 

This group of young ladies continue to prove/show that they can’t shoot. The Toledo game was not a one of. Hart has gotten to the point that she can complete the inside stuff with her left hand. Battle is good on the middies, and Grace G can put up points, but is erratic at distance. Heyer has seemingly lost her corner three stroke and while Rose is an asset against the press, when she is on the floor you are virtually playing 4 on 5. It has been and remains a team that you don’t have to fear giving up the open three, or for that matter the fast break. That tends to make the offensive end of the floor pretty small.
 

This group of young ladies continue to prove/show that they can’t shoot. The Toledo game was not a one of. Hart has gotten to the point that she can complete the inside stuff with her left hand. Battle is good on the middies, and Grace G can put up points, but is erratic at distance. Heyer has seemingly lost her corner three stroke and while Rose is an asset against the press, when she is on the floor you are virtually playing 4 on 5. It has been and remains a team that you don’t have to fear giving up the open three, or for that matter the fast break. That tends to make the offensive end of the floor pretty small.
Battle uses up too much of the shot clock with her dribbling. If the ball moved better and faster, the three point shooters would get better looks and wouldn't be rushed so much to beat the clock. Heyer needs to be wide open to get her shot off and she rarely is because the ball gets to her late. In almost every game there are moments when she's waving her arms to show she's open, but Battle has her head down looking for her own shot and doesn't see her. But hey, she an "experienced" guard.
 

I totally agree. That said I do think that she is filling a position that while it isn’t her forte, she may be the only alternative on this squad. BTW when I played BB I was an experienced forward. But that does not mean I was any good! lol!
 

Still the same Plitzuweit. Able to beat the lesser teams but unable to compete with the upper level. It would be tough to play in her system. She absolutely believes she can beat those upper level teams focusing on defense. Good luck to her.
 

Still the same Plitzuweit. Able to beat the lesser teams but unable to compete with the upper level. It would be tough to play in her system. She absolutely believes she can beat those upper level teams focusing on defense. Good luck to her.
You mean the same coach who coached South Dakota to a Sweet 16 by beating 2-seed Baylor at Home her last year at South Dakota?

You mean the same coach who last year won at michigan, vs michigan state and nebraska? (all tournamnet teams last year btw)

Or the same coach who beat Illinois and Indiana this season....with no Mara Braun or Taylor Woodson. Both I'm pretty sure made second round of NCAA Tourney.

But sure... you're right. Can't win over higher level teams. You should probably stop watching em and just watch South Carolina or Uconn. to stay satisfied.
 

Still the same Plitzuweit. Able to beat the lesser teams but unable to compete with the upper level. It would be tough to play in her system. She absolutely believes she can beat those upper level teams focusing on defense. Good luck to her.
I don’t pretend to have the answer but my ? is can she recruit/ adapt ?? I have seen enough improvements to be patient and give her more time.
 

Still the same Plitzuweit. Able to beat the lesser teams but unable to compete with the upper level. It would be tough to play in her system. She absolutely believes she can beat those upper level teams focusing on defense. Good luck to her.
Let’s be fair. Her best offensive player has been out for most of her two seasons coaching here. I seem to recall a South Dakota team coached by Plitzuweit beating a Top 10 Baylor team on their home floor in an NCAA tournament game a few years ago. If she can get players here that can run her version of a motion offense properly, and play the kind of defense she demands, they will win their share
 

Super excited for our Gophers. Love to see them advancing in a tourney that’s a step up from last year even with injuries (again)! I’m looking forward to cheering in person on Thursday! 🥳
 

I already plead guilty to being impatient for wanting the Gophers to instantly become good instead of incremental improvements from year-to-year.

But realistically every year since forever the Gophers would lose to teams they are supposed to beat but not this year which is progress. Maybe next year will be the year they beat all the teams they are supposed to beat and start beating good teams too.

Michigan and Indiana's current streaks of making them NCAA Tournmanet team every year began with them winning the WNIT in years they missed out of the tournament due to not having enough wins over top teams.

Gophers seemingly have the worst history of anybody in the second-tier tournaments but they made it this far and it's wide-open for them to be able to win it. Colorado wasn't as scary as I feared as they aren't at full-strength and they lost. Virginia Tech proved they wouldn't have deserved to make the NCAA Tournament had they gotten in and other higher seeds lost. If the Gophers can beat Gonzaga I'm only worried about that the law that seems to exist that all people from Minnesota must always go off against the Gophers if they have to play Florida.
 





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