Pitino thus far 6-4 at New Mexico

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Gopherfan84 said:
He had him silently committed. One of the last straws and why Ben left I truly believe.
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I thought that Wright wanted to continue taking visits....which suggests that he wasn't committed. But I could definitely see Johnson pushing for Wright while Pitino wanted Washington.
 

stocker08 said:
I thought that Wright wanted to continue taking visits....which suggests that he wasn't committed. But I could definitely see Johnson pushing for Wright while Pitino wanted Washington.
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Was ready to commit on his visit, but wanted to still honor his visit to Dayton since Miller had been so good to him. Pitino said commit and don’t go or go and see what happens. Wright went to Dayton the same week IW came here and they pushed IW to commit on the spot and got it from my understanding. Wright I don’t think knew IW was coming on a visit.
 

Gopherfan84 said:
Was ready to commit on his visit, but wanted to still honor his visit to Dayton since Miller had been so good to him. Pitino said commit and don’t go or go and see what happens. Wright went to Dayton the same week IW came here and they pushed IW to commit on the spot and got it from my understanding. Wright I don’t think knew IW was coming on a visit.
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There was always something odd about how that all went down.

The Dayton visit still doesn't make sense though. If Miller had been so good to Wright....why would Wright string him along by going for the visit rather than just tell him that he wasn't going to play there? And after the Washington commit.....why didn't Washington end up playing at Dayton?
 


stocker08 said:
There was always something odd about how that all went down.

The Dayton visit still doesn't make sense though. If Miller had been so good to Wright....why would Wright string him along by going for the visit rather than just tell him that he wasn't going to play there? And after the Washington commit.....why didn't Washington end up playing at Dayton?
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Correct, Wright was not as wronged as many in the MN basketball community want to think imo. Not uncommon for coaches to push for kids to stop visits when they commit. Wright did commit to Dayton, but Miller took the IU job and honored the PG commit IU had already. Wright then was offered again here but they wanted him to redshirt. He then went and visited Colorado and committed and had a wonderful career there.
 


Gopherfan84 said:
Correct, Wright was not as wronged as many in the MN basketball community want to think imo. Not uncommon for coaches to push for kids to stop visits when they commit. Wright did commit to Dayton, but Miller took the IU job and honored the PG commit IU had already. Wright then was offered again here but they wanted him to redshirt. He then went and visited Colorado and committed and had a wonderful career there.
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I've been a big Wright fan. Wish he would have been a Gopher....but oh well.
 

I really wish that Troy Bell had been a Gopher, but oh well. There are a lot of players that I wish we had landed (a lot), going back to Dutcher (I was too young to notice recruiting during the Musselman era). It would be nice to finally get the program to the point where the top kids we want all want to come here (shouldn’t it be our time, by now?).
 



goldenboy said:
I really wish that Troy Bell had been a Gopher, but oh well. There are a lot of players that I wish we had landed (a lot), going back to Dutcher (I was too young to notice recruiting during the Musselman era). It would be nice to finally get the program to the point where the top kids we want all want to come here (shouldn’t it be our time, by now?).
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I agree on Troy Bell and he was sort of the first noteworthy guy who chose to get away during that early/mid 80's time frame which seemed to set the tone for El Amin also to the Big East (apparently you know of a bunch of others, but I'm talking back during the 80's not the eventual Duke, etc.). I actually think Dutcher hit on a number of top guys (nationally) thanks in part to Jimmy Williams outstanding recruiting (both for Dutcher and prior w/ Musselman). Think about guys like Leo Rautins who I mention only because some forget he signed with the Gophers and left for Syracuse after a year. That was the type of talent coming in, which was impressive (though yes I get it on the noise that eventually ripped the program apart).
 

dlnavra said:
I agree on Troy Bell and he was sort of the first noteworthy guy who chose to get away during that early/mid 80's time frame which seemed to set the tone for El Amin also to the Big East (apparently you know of a bunch of others, but I'm talking back during the 80's not the eventual Duke, etc.). I actually think Dutcher hit on a number of top guys (nationally) thanks in part to Jimmy Williams outstanding recruiting (both for Dutcher and prior w/ Musselman). Think about guys like Leo Rautins who I mention only because some forget he signed with the Gophers and left for Syracuse after a year. That was the type of talent coming in, which was impressive (though yes I get it on the noise that eventually ripped the program apart).
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El Amin is older than Bell I thought? Either way, your point still stands and they both graduated in the mid 90s
 

Gopherfan84 said:
El Amin is older than Bell I thought? Either way, your point still stands and they both graduated in the mid 90s
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You are correct. Troy Bell graduated Holy Angels in 1999, Khalid El-Amin from North in 1997.

I have distinct memories of watching El-Amin in the 1996 state tournament. I was in middle school at Minnehaha and we lost to Fertile-Beltrami, and I watched El-Amin put away Staples-Motley before our game started. They did a clock killing drill for about the last 3 minutes and little 6th grade me thought it was so unfair that their stocky PG was just standing there at halfcourt doing nothing.


Enough memory lane. Nick Horvath (Mr. Basketball) was another big loss -- went to Duke in 1999.
 

eker0016 said:
You are correct. Troy Bell graduated Holy Angels in 1999, Khalid El-Amin from North in 1997.

I have distinct memories of watching El-Amin in the 1996 state tournament. I was in middle school at Minnehaha and we lost to Fertile-Beltrami, and I watched El-Amin put away Staples-Motley before our game started. They did a clock killing drill for about the last 3 minutes and little 6th grade me thought it was so unfair that their stocky PG was just standing there at halfcourt doing nothing.


Enough memory lane. Nick Horvath (Mr. Basketball) was another big loss -- went to Duke in 1999.
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I remember a 1996 playoff game in Rochester. Gym was packed for the El-Amin vs Michael Restovich matchup. The hype for that game was insane.
 



From the look of the title, I thought this thread would be devoted to following Pitino's continuing failures as a coach. Instead, I see it's devolved into the 201st discussion of why McKinley Wright ended up at Colorado instead of here. Who cares? Water under the bridge. The guy isn't even playing college basketball anymore (neither is Washington). Just chalk it up to another Pitino failure at this point and move on.

Thought I'd update the record stated in the title. New Mexico's record is now 7-6 and they haven't started the Mountain West schedule yet. The team's wins have come against Florida Atlantic, Grambling, Montana State, Western New Mexico (DII school), New Mexico State, Denver, and Norfolk State. The brightest spot among those wins is that Pitino finally won a road game. They played home and away games against New Mexico State; they lost the home game but won the road game.

Their losses have been to Colorado, UAB, Towson, New Mexico State, UTEP, and SMU. They have lost 5 of their last 8 games after winning 4 of their first 5. That's the typical Pitino teaser: start out promising, then fold. When it's all said and done for the year, I expect Pitino will have a losing season.

Meanwhile, assuming they beat Alcorn, the almost unanimously picked last place team in the Big Ten coached by Ben Johnson would have to go 3-15 after that to end up with a losing regular season.
 

cjbfbp said:
From the look of the title, I thought this thread would be devoted to following Pitino's continuing failures as a coach. Instead, I see it's devolved into the 201st discussion of why McKinley Wright ended up at Colorado instead of here. Who cares? Water under the bridge. The guy isn't even playing college basketball anymore (neither is Washington). Just chalk it up to another Pitino failure at this point and move on.

Thought I'd update the record stated in the title. New Mexico's record is now 7-6 and they haven't started the Mountain West schedule yet. The team's wins have come against Florida Atlantic, Grambling, Montana State, Western New Mexico (DII school), New Mexico State, Denver, and Norfolk State. The brightest spot among those wins is that Pitino finally won a road game. They played home and away games against New Mexico State; they lost the home game but won the road game.

Their losses have been to Colorado, UAB, Towson, New Mexico State, UTEP, and SMU. They have lost 5 of their last 8 games after winning 4 of their first 5. That's the typical Pitino teaser: start out promising, then fold. When it's all said and done for the year, I expect Pitino will have a losing season.

Meanwhile, assuming they beat Alcorn, the almost unanimously picked last place team in the Big Ten coached by Ben Johnson would have to go 3-15 after that to end up with a losing regular season.
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(1) I agree with the fact that the McKinley Wright/IW discussion has been talked about a lot, but Pitino's failures as a coach isn't exactly a novel discussion either. It feels odd to be clamoring for that discussion while complaining about the redundancy of the McKinley Wright discussion.

(2) A huge portion of Pitino's failures is wrapped in his inability to land the top in-state players. If we need to regurgitate the discussion about Pitino's failures (which is 100% fair game), some of the reasons why will also be regurgitated. Just know, if you ever want to talk about reasons why Pitino failed, people will be discussing in-state recruiting and all that damn dribbling. Unfortunately for people who want to talk about Pitino's failures but not re-hash the McKinley Wright scenario, the two topics are intertwined.

(3) Yeah, Pitino is a terrible coach. I don't think he lasts very long there.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
(1) I agree with the fact that the McKinley Wright/IW discussion has been talked about a lot, but Pitino's failures as a coach isn't exactly a novel discussion either. It feels odd to be clamoring for that discussion while complaining about the redundancy of the McKinley Wright discussion.

(2) A huge portion of Pitino's failures is wrapped in his inability to land the top in-state players. If we need to regurgitate the discussion about Pitino's failures (which is 100% fair game), some of the reasons why will also be regurgitated. Just know, if you ever want to talk about reasons why Pitino failed, people will be discussing in-state recruiting and all that damn dribbling. Unfortunately for people who want to talk about Pitino's failures but not re-hash the McKinley Wright scenario, the two topics are intertwined.

(3) Yeah, Pitino is a terrible coach. I don't think he lasts very long there.
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It has to do with the thread topic, which typically indicates the priorities of this discussion.

CJBFBP updated the record that was in the title, added some more New Mexico info and didn't directly attack Pitino. It is not the same old Pitino bashing discussions.

Rehashing the same old arguments about a coach that is gone and players that are no longer playing just hijacks this discussion.
 

eker0016 said:
You are correct. Troy Bell graduated Holy Angels in 1999, Khalid El-Amin from North in 1997.

I have distinct memories of watching El-Amin in the 1996 state tournament. I was in middle school at Minnehaha and we lost to Fertile-Beltrami, and I watched El-Amin put away Staples-Motley before our game started. They did a clock killing drill for about the last 3 minutes and little 6th grade me thought it was so unfair that their stocky PG was just standing there at halfcourt doing nothing.


Enough memory lane. Nick Horvath (Mr. Basketball) was another big loss -- went to Duke in 1999.
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He played pro ball in New Zealand for like 10 years and still lives there I believe.
 

Pitino at New Mexico seams like a poor fit. I don’t think he will last long there. I think he’d be better off out east at a smaller college but I suppose he could join daddy as an assistant when things flame out in New Mexico.
 

alchemy2u said:
It has to do with the thread topic, which typically indicates the priorities of this discussion.

CJBFBP updated the record that was in the title, added some more New Mexico info and didn't directly attack Pitino. It is not the same old Pitino bashing discussions.

Rehashing the same old arguments about a coach that is gone and players that are no longer playing just hijacks this discussion.
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Thank you, alchemy2u, for your defense! While I did try to refocus the discussion, I must also confess that I did take some shots at Pitino. I will also admit that there isn't enough Pitino hatred around here to suit me. I know the old saying says that living well (like we seem to be with Ben Johnson right now) is the best revenge but I still feel we owe Pitino additional scorn for at least another year (maybe even two)!
 


alchemy2u said:
It has to do with the thread topic, which typically indicates the priorities of this discussion.

CJBFBP updated the record that was in the title, added some more New Mexico info and didn't directly attack Pitino. It is not the same old Pitino bashing discussions.

Rehashing the same old arguments about a coach that is gone and players that are no longer playing just hijacks this discussion.
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Read #2. We are only talking about Pitino because he is a former Gopher coach. Discussing why Pitino is bad will always be tied to personnel decisions, coaching decisions, and coaching style. The entire thread (including MaroonShaft's most recent post) is rehashing old arguments about a coach that is gone. That's cool, that's what a message board is. For whatever reason, you've decided to pretend to not understand this concept even though you do it constantly too.

It's insane that people get annoyed with any conversation that deviates slightly from the topic. We're talking about Pitino and his failures as a coach. The IW discussion seems to be closely enough related. You'll notice, well, you wouldn't, but a person who is more self aware would notice that the people who bitch about threads being hijacked only do it for certain topics.

CJ had issues with McKinley Wright discussion (for whatever reason). Go and check the number of other posts in this thread that have absolutely NOTHING to do with Pitino's record this year. Why didn't those bother him? You seem to be doubling down on his point when you've now made two posts in this thread that had nothing to do with Pitino's record this year.

So your hissy fit about threads being hijacked is nothing but whining about things you don't want to talk about. So you're reading comprehension sucks and you're full of sh!t.

Can you imagine if every thread stayed narrowly into the discussion of the topic? I saw a few people post in the Beanie Bishop thread wondering about other CBs on the team? The HORROR! I noticed in a thread about JMS returning, some people actually wondered about our depth chart at OL next year. GNASH YOUR TEETH!
 



DanvilleGopher said:
To me that really outed Pitino and his lack of coaching acumen.
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I remember watching the game and felt like Pitino attempted to not pile on initially and show them up and then Sexton made some crazy shots, we got tight, things got weird, and then Pitino struggled to adjust. I was angry at Pitino for not adjusting earlier and putting it away because it ended up being a complete joke that made our players look bad. Still love Nate breaking Sexton’s ankles though.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Read #2. We are only talking about Pitino because he is a former Gopher coach. Discussing why Pitino is bad will always be tied to personnel decisions, coaching decisions, and coaching style. The entire thread (including MaroonShaft's most recent post) is rehashing old arguments about a coach that is gone. That's cool, that's what a message board is. For whatever reason, you've decided to pretend to not understand this concept even though you do it constantly too.

It's insane that people get annoyed with any conversation that deviates slightly from the topic. We're talking about Pitino and his failures as a coach. The IW discussion seems to be closely enough related. You'll notice, well, you wouldn't, but a person who is more self aware would notice that the people who bitch about threads being hijacked only do it for certain topics.

CJ had issues with McKinley Wright discussion (for whatever reason). Go and check the number of other posts in this thread that have absolutely NOTHING to do with Pitino's record this year. Why didn't those bother him? You seem to be doubling down on his point when you've now made two posts in this thread that had nothing to do with Pitino's record this year.

So your hissy fit about threads being hijacked is nothing but whining about things you don't want to talk about. So you're reading comprehension sucks and you're full of sh!t.

Can you imagine if every thread stayed narrowly into the discussion of the topic? I saw a few people post in the Beanie Bishop thread wondering about other CBs on the team? The HORROR! I noticed in a thread about JMS returning, some people actually wondered about our depth chart at OL next year. GNASH YOUR TEETH!
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Since when did you get into comedy? Good think you are not lawyer.....

I am not really talking about the thread drift. I am pointing out how you equated a further update to Pition's schedule (the is in the thread topic) to talking about former recruits and players that don't even play basketball anymore.

Again and again, you make erroneous assumptions that fit your pompous postings.
 
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at least pitino at new mexico is doing better than monson at long beach and tubby at high point. lowered expectations
 


cjbfbp said:
From the look of the title, I thought this thread would be devoted to following Pitino's continuing failures as a coach. Instead, I see it's devolved into the 201st discussion of why McKinley Wright ended up at Colorado instead of here. Who cares? Water under the bridge. The guy isn't even playing college basketball anymore (neither is Washington). Just chalk it up to another Pitino failure at this point and move on.

Thought I'd update the record stated in the title. New Mexico's record is now 7-6 and they haven't started the Mountain West schedule yet. The team's wins have come against Florida Atlantic, Grambling, Montana State, Western New Mexico (DII school), New Mexico State, Denver, and Norfolk State. The brightest spot among those wins is that Pitino finally won a road game. They played home and away games against New Mexico State; they lost the home game but won the road game.

Their losses have been to Colorado, UAB, Towson, New Mexico State, UTEP, and SMU. They have lost 5 of their last 8 games after winning 4 of their first 5. That's the typical Pitino teaser: start out promising, then fold. When it's all said and done for the year, I expect Pitino will have a losing season.

Meanwhile, assuming they beat Alcorn, the almost unanimously picked last place team in the Big Ten coached by Ben Johnson would have to go 3-15 after that to end up with a losing regular season.
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Don’t jynx us man! (3-15 probably isn’t out of the question…)
 

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