PiPress: Flip Saunders' Gophers basketball tweets: 'I'm sick!'

[Stan]

Among guys we could realistically get, I would put Gregg Marshall at the top of the list. I would also like Chris Mack, but I'm not sure he doesn't already have a better job than the one here. Bryce Drew would be another solid hire. Some others I would settle for:

Dave Rice
Tommy Amaker
Scott Nagy

I don't know if any of them would do well here (or if most of them would even come here), but they do have the decided advantage of being collegiate head coaches more recently than the Jimmy Carter administration.

This makes no sense. You said we could do better than Flip. Then you give a list of guys who by your own admission "or if most of them would even come here" so you right there don't even think we can get most of the guys you claim we can get who are going to be better than Flip.

Also, Rice is a UNLV alum. Thus UNLV must have grasped for him as he must fall into your description of "a school grasps for an alum as a coach because they can't do better and they know he's more likely to want to coach there because of that connection."

 

[fryguy22]

Among guys we could realistically get, I would put Gregg Marshall at the top of the list. I would also like Chris Mack, but I'm not sure he doesn't already have a better job than the one here. Bryce Drew would be another solid hire. Some others I would settle for:

Dave Rice
Tommy Amaker
Scott Nagy

I don't know if any of them would do well here (or if most of them would even come here), but they do have the decided advantage of being collegiate head coaches more recently than the Jimmy Carter administration.

How do you feel about Amaker given his past stint at Michigan? Do you think the more "general" fan base would have a meltdown? (Obviously the more involved fans understand the good things he's done since then)

 

[Unregistered User]

The only reason he would be considered for football coach is because he is from here. He hasn't coached in college for a long time and he is too old. lol Give me a break on this Flip isn't good enough to be our coach. He's not from Oregon and if he is good enough to coach in three NBA cities his qualifications are more than strong enough.

Or Jackson, Michigan. And has spent very little time here after playing at the "U".

 

[dpodoll68]

Then you give a list of guys who by your own admission "or if most of them would even come here" so you right there don't even think we can get most of the guys you claim we can get who are going to be better than Flip.

Incorrect. I said I didn't know if they would come here. That's quite different than thinking we can't get them.

Also, Rice is a UNLV alum. Thus UNLV must have grasped for him as he must fall into your description of "a school grasps for an alum as a coach because they can't do better and they know he's more likely to want to coach there because of that connection."

I think you're misinterpreting my statement. I mean that in alumni situations, the coach is settling for the school, and not the other way around, i.e. the coach is good and generally better than the school could hope to get otherwise. Pat Fitzgerald, in my opinion, is a great coach, as good as any in the country. Does anyone think he would be coaching for Northwestern (and almost certainly turning down much better offers) over the last few years if he weren't an alum? I think Dave Rice is the same (not as good as Fitzgerald, but still good) and that he would leave UNLV for the right opportunity.

How do you feel about Amaker given his past stint at Michigan? Do you think the more "general" fan base would have a meltdown? (Obviously the more involved fans understand the good things he's done since then)

I've always liked Amaker. He did ok at both Seton Hall and Michigan - both programs thought they could fire him and get someone better. Seton Hall was wrong, and Michigan was right. It's at best a 50-50 proposition, which the Tubby Haters don't want to admit. He's really building something at Harvard, and he's just about the right age to come back into the Big Ten and make a run at it. He's still relatively young and yet has 25 years of collegiate coaching experience. The casual fans would probably hate it, but I don't really care what most of them think, nor have I generally given them much credit for their sports IQ.

 

[Bad Gopher]

Among guys we could realistically get, I would put Gregg Marshall at the top of the list. I would also like Chris Mack, but I'm not sure he doesn't already have a better job than the one here. Bryce Drew would be another solid hire. Some others I would settle for:

Dave Rice
Tommy Amaker
Scott Nagy

I don't know if any of them would do well here (or if most of them would even come here), but they do have the decided advantage of being collegiate head coaches more recently than the Jimmy Carter administration.

I do like the way Nagy's teams play. Wolters gets a lot of accolades and rightly so, but their offensive scheme gets a lot of quality shots from a lot of players. It has good flow, and the players know what they're doing and are confident. It's much of the pleasure of watching them play. That's coaching.

 

[Blackhammer]

So would Dennis Green be a great hire for the Gopher football team (I realize he only coached 2 NFL teams)? That's pretty much the argument the Flip lovers are making. Set aside the fact that you like him as a person and he's fun to listen to, and ask yourself if he is the best person we could get.

I hate to say it but Denny Green other than his age or to me he seems older than Flip. He is 64 so he is. Would probably be the best football hire we could get. He coached at Stanford and Northwestern. The Denny Green anology is a bad one though . He never attend the U ,never was a member of the community for most of his adult life. never followed or supported the U. other than that his resume would be solid. You just throw Denny the mix because you know he his hated in Mn.

 

[John Galt]

I hate to say it but Denny Green other than his age or to me he seems older than Flip. He is 64 so he is. Would probably be the best football hire we could get. He coached at Stanford and Northwestern. The Denny Green anology is a bad one though . He never attend the U ,never was a member of the community for most of his adult life. never followed or supported the U. other than that his resume would be solid. You just throw Denny the mix because you know he his hated in Mn.

You're failing to understand the argument.

 

[Blackhammer]

You're failing to understand the argument.

I guess your saying being connected locally should not be viewed as a plus?

 

[John Galt]

I guess your saying being connected locally should not be viewed as a plus?

Exactly. It should only be used if two candidates are equal in all other aspects. Given that Flip hasn't coached college basketball in 30 years, any connections that he has with the U shouldn't be enough for him to even be on the interview list.

 

[bga1]

Among guys we could realistically get, I would put Gregg Marshall at the top of the list. I would also like Chris Mack, but I'm not sure he doesn't already have a better job than the one here. Bryce Drew would be another solid hire. Some others I would settle for:

Dave Rice
Tommy Amaker
Scott Nagy

I don't know if any of them would do well here (or if most of them would even come here), but they do have the decided advantage of being collegiate head coaches more recently than the Jimmy Carter administration.

Tommy Amaker? Seriously? I'd keep Tubby before that.

 

[howeda7]

Tommy Amaker? Seriously? I'd keep Tubby before that.

I'd keep Tubby before I'd go with Scott Nagy too. He's done a fine job at SDSU, but there's a reason Tim Miles is at Nebraska and Scott Nagy's still there after 15 years.

 

[howeda7]

So would Dennis Green be a great hire for the Gopher football team (I realize he only coached 2 NFL teams)? That's pretty much the argument the Flip lovers are making. Set aside the fact that you like him as a person and he's fun to listen to, and ask yourself if he is the best person we could get.

Is he the 'best we can get'? Probably not. But if we're not getting the A-list guys I don't see much reason not to give him a shot. The run-of-the-mill mid-major guys will still be there in 3-4 years.

 

[Maroon Shower]

I don't understand why the alma mater/one-of-us aspect is being downplayed. I understand it isn't everything, but a guy with connections to the school a) will have a leg up when it comes to recruiting, particularly with the big three b) won't bolt when the big boys come knocking. We could easily just be a stepping stone for Shaka or Stevens. That won't be the case with Flip, which is important when it comes to recruiting and building continuity.

 

[dpodoll68]

will have a leg up when it comes to recruiting, particularly with the big three

How do you figure?

won't bolt when the big boys come knocking

I'll worry about this if and when it ever happens. It happened once on the football side, with Lou Holtz, who had already been an NFL coach. It's never happened on the basketball side. We'd have to have some success for it to happen.

 

[jovs]

Wow some of the comments on Flip are the same I heard about Trestman when he was mentioned for the Gopher job, but what is more relevant, what is his knowledge of basketball, how is he as a coach and teacher and motivator, and how will he be as a recruiter. People scoffed at the mention of Trestman but he is good enough to coach the Bears, he would have been better than good enough for the Gophers, I think the case for Flip is stronger but he doesn't have the media cache at the college level.

 

[Iceland12]

How do you figure?



I'll worry about this if and when it ever happens. It happened once on the football side, with Lou Holtz, who had already been an NFL coach. It's never happened on the basketball side. We'd have to have some success for it to happen.

You can't blame Mason for not making it two coaches to leave. He kept listening for the phone to ring and he went public and BEGGED for the tOSU job.

Oh, and to be fair to Monson, he was offered the Washington job in 2002 by then A.D. Hedges. By many accounts he originally accepted the job before then A.D. Tom Moe talked him into staying. Washington ended-up taking Lorenzo Romar.

 

[alchemy2u]

Among guys we could realistically get, I would put Gregg Marshall at the top of the list. I would also like Chris Mack, but I'm not sure he doesn't already have a better job than the one here. Bryce Drew would be another solid hire. Some others I would settle for:

Dave Rice
Tommy Amaker
Scott Nagy

I don't know if any of them would do well here (or if most of them would even come here), but they do have the decided advantage of being collegiate head coaches more recently than the Jimmy Carter administration.

So you really think a retread or small school coach has any shot of getting the big three to spurn the marquee school offers? Really! The main focus should be on getting the big three which will elevate the program into the top of the B1G. Without them it will take years to build up to that level and we are stuck trying to convince the next level of players to give us a shot.

 

[Winasota Gopher]

So was Dave Winfield. Should we hire him as our next basketball coach?

if there was any seriousness in this you are moronic...

And I obviously know you don't mean hire dave Winfield. But if you are suggesting that that him being a gopher should have 0 impact on his hire...... :nono:

 

[fan of Ray Williams]

How do you figure?



I'll worry about this if and when it ever happens. It happened once on the football side, with Lou Holtz, who had already been an NFL coach. It's never happened on the basketball side. We'd have to have some success for it to happen.

I don't know, my friend. Bill Fitch left for Cleveland of the NBA. (You most likely mean college big boys)