Penn State Football Moving Forward

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Germany was under occupation for 4 years after WWII. There was an extensive period of denazification which went on for years. Germany was divided for 50 years. By December 1945, 100,000 German civilians were detained as potential security threats. For years after military occupation ended, West Germany didn't have full sovereignty, and of course East Germany was a puppet state of the Soviet Union. And of course, millions of tons of bombs had been dropped on Germany.

Germany recovered, because the allied nations wanted it to recover. But it wasn't exactly the bed of roses that you make it out to be. You're wrong, this doesn't happen everywhere.
 

RodentRampage said:
Penn State needs to handle this right, or they will fall.
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IMO, this is precisely the problem. They have no idea how to handle this. The actions of those involved in the last few days have certainly made matters worse. How much worse?

I would argue that they could have salvaged the season and the program if they had reacted correctly and in a timely manner. The "circle the wagons" approach reveals them to be complete sh!t-bags who couldn't give a damn about any kids. Talk about making a horroible situation worse.

A tearful apology and retirement announcement from Paterno a few days ago, and part of us would all feel sorry for the guy. Thinking he could continue-on as though nothing happenened demonstrated he just can't grasp how significant this whole thing is. By the time Paterno/PSU truly recognizes how big this is it will be too late.
 


GopherOhana said:
http://guyism.com/sports/jerry-sandusky-pimped-out-boys-in-second-mike-to-penn-state-donors.html

oh please no!
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Again, no real information being reported here. The site is making a report that a reporter heard a rumor that another reporter is investigating that Sandusky may have been pimping boys. This website has it wrong in saying that Madden said that it happened, when he clearly said that it was just a rumor.

There is already enough abhorrent behavior in this scandal. No need to make it worse by spreading rumors.
 

RodentRampage said:
It is not that the public's memory is short, the public has a selective memory. You are seriously comparing this scandal to steroids in baseball? Seriously? Comparing covering up child molestation to steroids? The recruits can go elsewhere and play in front of huge crowds. People will be talking about this scandal for decades. The world changes. People keep assuming that things will always be the same as they are today. Dynasties rise, and dynasties fall. Penn State needs to handle this right, or they will fall.
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I am talking about scandal in general, so yes. You could apply it to anything you want. This is ugly, but the football team will be fine. Bring in Urban Meyer (or any big coach), throw a ton of money at him, have him say all the right things, and move on.

This is a scandal that happens to involve football, not a football scandal. Big difference. The football team will be fine.
 


The 12th Man said:
I am talking about scandal in general, so yes. You could apply it to anything you want. This is ugly, but the football team will be fine. Bring in Urban Meyer (or any big coach), throw a ton of money at him, have him say all the right things, and move on.

This is a scandal that happens to involve football, not a football scandal. Big difference. The football team will be fine.
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You seriously underestimate just how serious this scandal is.
 

imthewalrus said:
Well, I guess that Penn State is doomed now. Just the way Germany was doomed after exterminating 6 million people.

Men and women do HORRIBLE things. There will be many trials. There will be punishments. There will be many cable tv news pieces. The self-righteous will condemn. There will be fire and brimstone demands for a death penalty for the institution. In the end, just as Germany survived, PSU will survive. PSU will continue to be. Hopefully, it will be forever changed in some ways. But, Institutions...just as nations do survive.

Certainly our own nation has many incidents that have impacted the lives of millions of citizens and others who got in the way of the goals of some individuals who ran some of the various institutions that make up our government. Yet, those institutions have survived, prospered, grown and have managed to make probably many more positive contributions to society, the well-being of the citizens, friends, neighbors of this country.

Sometimes there are massive, horrible, terrible and unthinkable actions, screw-ups, cover-ups and acts that are far less than courageous that have been carried out by our nation/institutions/corporations/Government Agencies/Military. People's heads may roll. But, in the long run, the institutions survive and prosper and move on. Individuals fail. Institutions survive in spite of human failures.

We should all feel the failure that has happened at State College, PA. We should all search our souls. We should all look for injustices that we can interviene upon. We should all try to make this a better, safer place to live, work and make our way through life. There is tragedy, suffering and violence in the communities each of us inhabit. Heed the lessons of PSU and do something about some of the problems around us. Terrible things are happening every day.

PSU will receive plenty of richly deserved criticism. PSU will also survive. New people will replace the guilty people. Life will go on. Life MUST go on. We must each do what we can to help others around us who are in need of help. We must each do the best we can do...
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If they wanted to move forward they should have cancelled the remaining games. This would send the message that PSU is about more than football. That football does not run the show. The fact that they have kept McQueary on as a coach is beyond me. The guy looked Sandusky in the eye, as he was raping a 11 year old boy and he called his daddy. He never questioned why Sandusky wasn't charged after what he saw, but of course he didn't because he was promoted. That's the level of integrity expected at the PSU. One positive for them is that they should pretty much win clean up at the NAMBLA awards banquet this year.
 

If you wanted to send a message about faking your own death on an internet message board and continuing to do so after all of us were praying for you and taking up a collection for your wife you'd at least change your monicker after your ban was removed.
 



Keep in mind this is closer to begining of the investigation than being over it. The National Media, NY Times, ESPN will send investigators to findout when did this start, when did anyone know about it, and when did Joe know. When it was his former player, and a coach on his staff that he spend every day with most of the year for over 30 years and Joe had no Clue? Maybe at 84 he could claim memory loss, but not at 64. To believe he had no knowledge of Sandusky's proclivity is to suspend reality. And with the District Attorney on Jerry's heals in 1992, and when the District attorney taped a kid with Sandusky in 1998 he suddenly "retires" This in retrospect appears as a quid pro quo. You step down and we say nothing. And then the no access edict wth a wink and a nod. And when McQuerry witnesses Sandusky in the shower with the kid, why didn't he stop it right there. Call the police. He waits a day and tells Paterno. This is 4 years after the 1998 retirement and the quid pro quo seemed to have held. And the only seeming charges are perjury for lying to the Grand Jury. Further investigation could easily prove the complicity and failure to report. If I were Joe I would be looking for a defense attorney to represent me again civil and or criminal charges.


Just wait till the civil law suits begin
 

ESPN is reporting that Joe hired a defense attorney today.
 

I don't see how this doesn't take a decade to wash itself off the football program. I wouldn't be surprised if Penn St. finishes last for a number of years. Not sure if they'll lose scholly's because the NCAA's jurisdiction is limited... but good lord, some of the acts took place in the locker room and were covered up by numerous members of the football staff and athletic department.
 

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