Paul Chryst vs. PJ Fleck: Evaluating the extreme differences in personality

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Sure...and the next coach will have a new slogan and the uniforms will be adjusted
Yeah since we know that every other coach before Fleck just had the exact same changing the uniforms as Fleck had. :sneaky:

Fleck is unique, in this regard. Sure, lots of coaches are doing the "culture" thing (Campbell at Iowa State, for example), and that's fine, but they're not trying to change the public-face of the program entirely.
 

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Yeah since we know that every other coach before Fleck just had the exact same changing the uniforms as Fleck had. :sneaky:

Fleck is unique, in this regard. Sure, lots of coaches are doing the "culture" thing (Campbell at Iowa State, for example), and that's fine, but they're not trying to change the public-face of the program entirely.
Kill had the bricks on the uniform. Wacker made them hideous metallic gold.
 

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Kill had the bricks on the uniform. Wacker made them hideous metallic gold.
Nope. Not even close to the same thing.

None of them had their own personal brand and changed the entire public-face of the team to be that brand.

"Brick by brick" wasn't Kill's thing anyway. Never heard of it at Southern or Northern Illinois. Some marketing person at the U made that up.
 

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What other coaches have slogan or jargon tied to them that is on uniforms or helmets? I legitimately can not think of any.
 

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Is this a serious post? Fleck and Franklin are media craving guys.

Fleck running out because he's in "good enough shape"? LOL
Are you really so cynical to think the only reason guys like Fleck and Franklin lead their teams onto the field is because they want the cameras on them as much as possible?

There is almost always a coach or someone staff member leading the team out of the tunnel to make sure they don't go early or mess it up. Why does it bother you that it is the head coach?
 



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Are you really so cynical to think the only reason guys like Fleck and Franklin lead their teams onto the field is because they want the cameras on them as much as possible?
Not because they personally want the "glory".

But absolutely because it is every bit part of the persona that they're trying to sell. They're trying to sell themselves as the program. Is what it is.
 


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Not because they personally want the "glory".

But absolutely because it is every bit part of the persona that they're trying to sell. They're trying to sell themselves as the program. Is what it is.
Chryst seems like the minority in not leading his team out.
 



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Chryst seems like the minority in not leading his team out.
Seems like ... I'd like actual confirmation.

Without checking (fully admitting that), I would assume most coaches let the seniors/stars lead the team out. Sometimes holding various construction equipment and/or medieval ordinances (another facepalm, but oh well who cares).
 

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Seems like ... I'd like actual confirmation.

Without checking (fully admitting that), I would assume most coaches let the seniors/stars lead the team out. Sometimes holding various construction equipment and/or medieval ordinances (another facepalm, but oh well who cares).
and now HS teams do the same.
 

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Are you really so cynical to think the only reason guys like Fleck and Franklin lead their teams onto the field is because they want the cameras on them as much as possible?

There is almost always a coach or someone staff member leading the team out of the tunnel to make sure they don't go early or mess it up. Why does it bother you that it is the head coach?
If I had to rank the B1G HCs on who is the more camera craving, it would be Franklin/Fleck, by a mile, and then everyone else.

I'm not trying to convince you otherwise, JMO.

BTW: From watching games around the country every weekend, there's normally a TV network person that "cues" the team entrance.
 

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Seems like ... I'd like actual confirmation.

Without checking (fully admitting that), I would assume most coaches let the seniors/stars lead the team out. Sometimes holding various construction equipment and/or medieval ordinances (another facepalm, but oh well who cares).
So doing a quick google image search I found photos of: Saban, Fleck, Dabo, Urban Meyer, Brian Kelly, Harbaugh, Solich and many others leading their teams out of the tunnel. So going to go out on a limb and say Fleck and Franklin aren't the only glory seeking ego maniac look at me look at me look only at me fame seeking ahole coaches out there leading their teams onto the field.
 



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If I had to rank the B1G HCs on who is the more camera craving, it would be Franklin/Fleck, by a mile, and then everyone else.

I'm not trying to convince you otherwise, JMO.

BTW: From watching games around the country every weekend, there's normally a TV network person that "cues" the team entrance.
No doubt....I am sure pre game they stop by the truck and tell the production team to make sure the camera is on them at all times or they are going to get a nasty letter sent to their bosses.

Shocking that an energetic coach is going to get camera time more than one who isn't....shocking.
 


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Shocking that an energetic coach is going to get camera time more than one who isn't....shocking.
He does it with great vigor, so I assume that's why he gets more attention for it.
 

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"Brick by brick" wasn't Kill's thing anyway. Never heard of it at Southern or Northern Illinois. Some marketing person at the U made that up.
The term "Brick by Brick" goes back centuries. I wouldn't give some marketing type credit for it.
 

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He does it with great vigor, so I assume that's why he gets more attention for it.
There is no doubt Fleck enjoys being in front of the camera, interacting with media, and being out front. But when he is doing it he is almost always promoting the program in some way and bringing a level of exposure to Gopher Football that hasn't been there in the past.

Apparently that annoys some people who would prefer the old days when we rarely got noticed for anything.
 

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So doing a quick google image search I found photos of: Saban, Fleck, Dabo, Urban Meyer, Brian Kelly, Harbaugh, Solich and many others leading their teams out of the tunnel.
Sure. Great

Fleck and Franklin aren't the only glory seeking ego maniac look at me look at me look only at me fame seeking ahole coaches out there leading their teams onto the field.
:sneaky:

I didn't notice there was an election for "Fleck personal defender". Guessing you self-anointed yourself.


bringing a level of exposure to Gopher Football
Non Gopher college football fans, are now paying attention to Gopher football because Fleck runs with vigor out of the tunnel? :sneaky:



Seriously MNV, love your posts, you bring up a lot of valid points and have sensible takes. But you've gone off the ledge here.
 

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Non Gopher college football fans, are now paying attention to Gopher football because Fleck runs with vigor out of the tunnel?
I do think there's more national exposure because of Fleck's marketing and media savvy, not the tunnel thing per se. I don't know if college GameDay would have been here without Fleck.
 


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Sure. Great


:sneaky:

I didn't notice there was an election for "Fleck personal defender". Guessing you self-anointed yourself.



Non Gopher college football fans, are now paying attention to Gopher football because Fleck runs with vigor out of the tunnel? :sneaky:



Seriously MNV, love your posts, you bring up a lot of valid points and have sensible takes. But you've gone off the ledge here.
Was making a broader point about the attention Fleck brings to the program not just about him leading the team out of the tunnel, which as I showed is very common (lots of other names I could add to the list of coaches leading teams out).

Fleck doesn't need me to fight his battles, he could care less what you or I or anyone posting on this forum thinks about him or the program.

The toxic nature of this place is becoming a waste of time and not much fun to be around.
 

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I do think there's more national exposure because of Fleck's marketing and media savvy, not the tunnel thing per se. I don't know if college GameDay would have been here without Fleck.
Yeah I don't think even PJ's biggest detractors can deny that we have seen more national spotlight in is 5 years here than the previous 50 or so years.

Like it or not, PJ understands that this isn't a program that markets itself, and requires a lot of work on his end. I'd say he's done an excellent job in this regard.
 

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Yeah I don't think even PJ's biggest detractors can deny that we have seen more national spotlight in is 5 years here than the previous 50 or so years.

Like it or not, PJ understands that this isn't a program that markets itself, and requires a lot of work on his end. I'd say he's done an excellent job in this regard.
And this team could use an infusion of younger fans and I think Fleck helps with that. Obviously winning is important too.
 

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One of the (many) things I like best about P.J. Fleck: he has an extraordinary ability to irritate exactly the right type of people. Very enjoyable to watch.
I'd prefer to like Philip if he could win a trophy game every so often. 1-8 against our biggest rivals is less than elite.
 

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No doubt....I am sure pre game they stop by the truck and tell the production team to make sure the camera is on them at all times or they are going to get a nasty letter sent to their bosses.

Shocking that an energetic coach is going to get camera time more than one who isn't....shocking.
Philip sure doesn't get much camera time against Wisconsin and Iowa when they interview the winning HC after the game. I guess he figures "before" the game is good enough.
 

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Paul Chryst reminds me of Tracy Claeys.
 


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Thankfully I don't live in that state next door and I never would
 

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You have to go all the way back to Saturday to see Tom Allen's "LEO" (Love Each Other) on the IU helmets.
Crazy. Didn't even know that was his thing. Thought maybe a players initials or something. But I guess I kind of do remember that last year when there was a stink about it being for law enforcement officers.
 




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