it would seem to me that pam borton in a way has been able to hide her rather mediocre results and poor relationship with players within the rather large shadow cast by one mr. orlando tubby smith since he came to minneapolis 3 years ago.
just sayin'
Tubby's first year Borton was 20-12. Went to NCAA, lost to Texas
Tubby's second year Borton was 20-12. Went to NCAA, beat Notre Dame at Notre Dame, lost to Texas A & M
As Maximus said, 22-14 in the Big 10 over the last two years.
She's not going to win a national championship, but she's doing fine.
You're spreading yourself way too thin, Bronko, commenting on Borton. Stick to ranting about the Tribune. You're much more entertaining doing that.
just sayin'
She's made mistakes like letting Jenna Smith go to Illinois but there was no way Tayler Hill was coming to Minnesota which I assume is the recruit you're talking about. Just like Michael Floyd going to Notre Dame or what is probably going to happen with Henderson. Some kids just want a bigger stage.
[/QUOTE]had a revolving door of players in and out of the program,[/QUOTE]
She had the mass exodus four years ago but there're a lot of different opinions about how much was Borton's fault. I think the two mistakes she made that year were letting Brobeck back on the team and sticking with a hard working but less talented group of seniors instead of giving time to more talented younger players. The first mistake, from most accounts, made it year of constant tension and bickering. The second mistake caused Lacey and Davis to transfer. Podomonik wasn't having any fun and decided to concentrate on track. Williams then bailed because the team wasn't going to be any good. Borton still coached them to a .500 record the next year despite losing all of that talent. In the three years since then, Breanna Salley left in a weird way to join her sister in a religous group out West. She did play for Seattle U last year and she was a real loss. Korrine Campbell transfered by mutual agreement two years ago. Lots of talent but no loss. Nobody left last year. Brenda Frese even had 3 players transfer off the Maryland team last year so it happens to everyone.
[/QUOTE]and her results are just now catching up to her on the court.[/QUOTE]
If you actually look at what was posted earlier, Borton's record is pretty decent. Unless something really unforeseen happens, nobody is going to beat Ohio State this year (or next, unfortunately.)
We've got a chance at second because we do very well against Michigan State but it should be between us and Purdue for 3d and 4th.
She got 2 big kids with a lot of potential and 2 guards with talent as recruits this year. I think
she's already got a decent class committed for next year. Her players play hard and seem to really support each other so unless you're really connected, I don't think anyone really knows what Borton's relationship with the players is.
Most people who actually go to the women's games are satisfied with Borton although she certainly has her critics. My main complaint with Borton is that she doesn't seem to value the kid who can shoot in recruiting; she seems to recruit kids more for their defense. I think that's why the team sometimes loses games they really shouldn't because they have some brutal shooting nights.
That's what happened against Winona State. Other than Buford, we shot like crap; Winona State was really hot on the 3-point shots (around 50%); our players weren't very intense; it was probably a game Winona State was aiming for since they saw the schedule the way their kids came off the bench on the winning last second shot. Minnesota should have won, but that doesn't mean we should hang it up because they didn't.
Sorry for the long post; I wasn't going to get into this thread. I've split season tickets since jumping on the bandwagon Whalen's junior year. You can totally ignore the women, that's fine, but if you're going to criticize at least show some basic knowledge.
