Part 3 of 3: Dave Telep Discusses Tubby Smith's Recruiting and Future at Minnesota

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In Part 3 of its interview with Dave Telep of Scout.com, Dave discusses Minnesota Golden Gopher coach Tubby Smith and evaluates his staff and in-coming recruiting class. Telep is exposed to more coaching staffs across the country than just about anyone out there, and has a very good feel for how recruits look at the different staffs.

http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1176
 

In Part 3 of its interview with Dave Telep of Scout.com, Dave discusses Minnesota Golden Gopher coach Tubby Smith and evaluates his staff and in-coming recruiting class. Telep is exposed to more coaching staffs across the country than just about anyone out there, and has a very good feel for how recruits look at the different staffs.

http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1176

Gophers have 6 frosh recruits. Article only listed 5. It forgot to mention Gerald (Chip) Armelin.
 



All I know is that if Telep hasn't seen a kid -- as was the case with Oto and Maverick -- I'm not going to be very excited about them. Telep is very good at his job and busts his butt to make sure he sees guys who are good.
 


All I know is that if Telep hasn't seen a kid -- as was the case with Oto and Maverick -- I'm not going to be very excited about them. Telep is very good at his job and busts his butt to make sure he sees guys who are good.

And yet, guys like Van Coleman (Hoopmasters) and Bob Gibbons (All Star Sports) saw both Oto and Chip play last season.

For example, quoting Coleman on Armelin:

... Armelin has the ball skills to play either guard spot, but is best suited heading to Minnesota this fall to be a scoring guard. He has range to arc and is good shooter off the dribble too! he finishes in traffic and is a solid open court passer. Look for him to add depth this fall for the Gophers ...

Hardly anyone saw Stoneridge play last season. Enes Kanter burst on the national scene at the Nike Hoop Summit in April 2010.
 

Hardly anyone saw Stoneridge play last season. Enes Kanter burst on the national scene at the Nike Hoop Summit in April 2010.

Probably because Stoneridge hardly played. As for Kanter, he was considered by some a top, if not the top, Euro prospect long before enrolling at Stoneridge (after other schools decided not to take him, because their opponents allegedly said they wouldn't play against a team with Kanter on it due to his background - for a time, it looked like he would wind up at Findlay Prep). He had a good performance at the Nike Hoop Summit, but he had his 'burst' onto the scene long before he played a game last season.

I think you're trying to blame the lack of people checking out Maverick last year on him playing at Stoneridge, while using Kanter as evidence, suggesting that Kanter he hadn't made it big onto the 'national scene' because he was at Stoneridge and finally got his props in April. Doesn't work.
 

Probably because Stoneridge hardly played. As for Kanter, he was considered by some a top, if not the top, Euro prospect long before enrolling at Stoneridge (after other schools decided not to take him, because their opponents allegedly said they wouldn't play against a team with Kanter on it due to his background - for a time, it looked like he would wind up at Findlay Prep). He had a good performance at the Nike Hoop Summit, but he had his 'burst' onto the scene long before he played a game last season.

I think you're trying to blame the lack of people checking out Maverick last year on him playing at Stoneridge, while using Kanter as evidence, suggesting that Kanter he hadn't made it big onto the 'national scene' because he was at Stoneridge and finally got his props in April. Doesn't work.

Sure, many had heard of Kanter. But he burst into Top 5 after Nike Hoop Summit.

Ahanmisi was noticed by Calif scouts/recruiting analysts. ESPN Scouts Inc followed him. Telep didn't see him.
 

Clipped From SP3 Article

It hasn't been easy for Gophers coach Tubby Smith and his staff to sign a point guard in the late recruiting period after top target Cory Joseph signed with Texas last week.

But Smith might have found one with fifth-year senior Maverick Ahanmisi of Stoneridge Prep in Tarzana, Calif. The 6-foot-2 Ahanmisi said he was looking forward to his official visit to Minnesota on Wednesday.

"My interest in the Gophers is very strong," Ahanmisi told me today. "Hopefully, everything goes well when I visit. It would be an honor to play and be coached by Coach Smith."

For Gophers fans who aren't familiar with Ahanmisi, he averaged 20 points a game while leading Golden Valley High School in Santa Clarita, Calif., to a 25-3 record in 2008-2009. He scored 41 points in a state playoff game as a true senior.

Ahanmisi played a very limited schedule at Stoneridge Prep this past season. That might be why he wasn't highly recruited. It's hard to believe, though, when his teammate was Kentucky recruit and five-star forward Enes Kanter.

But Kanter's name was relatively unknown during the high school season until he jumped to the No. 1 center spot by Rivals.com and Scout.com after he had 34 points and 13 rebounds for the international team in the Nike Hoop Summit in April.
The Gophers hope Ahanmisi's talent was also overlooked as well. But keep in mind that the two other schools most interested in him right now are Loyola (Illi.) and Santa Barbara.

Ahanmisi did shine at some spring AAU tournaments for Bob Gottlieb's Branch West AAU team, which has featured players such as Wisconsin's Marcus Landry and Washington State's Taylor Rochestie. Gottlieb is the father of former Oklahoma State guard and current ESPN analyst Doug Gottlieb.

The elder Gottlieb said he first spoke with Minnesota assistant Ron Jirsa about Ahanmisi a month ago. Smith also talked with him last week. Gottlieb didn't know much about Smith's current point guard situation, but he heard from the Gophers that there would be playing time for Ahanmisi when freshman Justin Cobbs transfers.

"There's no question Maverick will help, whether he comes off the bench at the point or the off guard," Gottlieb said.
 



But Kanter's name was relatively unknown during the high school season until he jumped to the No. 1 center spot by Rivals.com and Scout.com after he had 34 points and 13 rebounds for the international team in the Nike Hoop Summit in April.

You can 'clip' from a St. Paul, MN newspaper all day long, but the reality is he wasn't unknown at all. He had several multi-million dollar offers from foreign teams before heading to the U.S. Once he arrived, everyone was immediately on him.

From August 2009:
"For obvious reason it’s going to take Kanter some time to adjust to playing ball in America, but he’s certainly a high major player and a guy that will be recruited by the nation’s best. Actually the circus has already begun.

According to Findlay assistant coach Todd Simon, Tuesday was a hectic day. After the initial Kanter story came out, Simon received and Findlay head coach Mike Peck received phone calls from over 35 schools.

“The last couple days have been a whirlwind,” Simon said. “The amount of interest in recruiting Enes has been astonishing. His reputation as an elite player certainly precedes him but I also think the character he has shown in making this decision makes him even more attractive.”

Among the schools that have already shown interest are UCLA, USC, Kansas, Texas, Arizona, Arizona State, Florida, UCONN, Illinois, Tennessee, Georgetown, UNLV, Oklahoma, Oregon St, Georgia Tech, Marquette, SMU, Arkansas, Memphis, Kentucky, Ohio State, Harvard, George Mason, New Mexico, Florida Atlantic, Georgia, Virginia, Hawaii, TCU, San Diego"

Not to mention he had already committed to Washington.. and then Kentucky, before he 'burst onto the scene'... among schools and scouts, most every one was intrigued late last summer.
 

You can 'clip' from a St. Paul, MN newspaper all day long, but the reality is he wasn't unknown at all. He had several multi-million dollar offers from foreign teams before heading to the U.S. Once he arrived, everyone was immediately on him.

From August 2009:
"For obvious reason it’s going to take Kanter some time to adjust to playing ball in America, but he’s certainly a high major player and a guy that will be recruited by the nation’s best. Actually the circus has already begun.

According to Findlay assistant coach Todd Simon, Tuesday was a hectic day. After the initial Kanter story came out, Simon received and Findlay head coach Mike Peck received phone calls from over 35 schools.

“The last couple days have been a whirlwind,” Simon said. “The amount of interest in recruiting Enes has been astonishing. His reputation as an elite player certainly precedes him but I also think the character he has shown in making this decision makes him even more attractive.”

Among the schools that have already shown interest are UCLA, USC, Kansas, Texas, Arizona, Arizona State, Florida, UCONN, Illinois, Tennessee, Georgetown, UNLV, Oklahoma, Oregon St, Georgia Tech, Marquette, SMU, Arkansas, Memphis, Kentucky, Ohio State, Harvard, George Mason, New Mexico, Florida Atlantic, Georgia, Virginia, Hawaii, TCU, San Diego"

Not to mention he had already committed to Washington.. and then Kentucky, before he 'burst onto the scene'... among schools and scouts, most every one was intrigued late last summer.

In terms of "recruiting buzz" indeed HE WAS down or off the list of the Top 5 or 6 recruiting analysts.

Go to www.rscihoops.com for comparison. #96 last summer, #7 this spring.

Hmm. And that's a CONSENSUS of recruiting services, not just 1 or 2. Hmm.
 

In terms of "recruiting buzz" indeed HE WAS down or off the list of the Top 5 or 6 recruiting analysts.

Go to www.rscihoops.com for comparison. #96 last summer, #7 this spring.

Hmm. And that's a CONSENSUS of recruiting services, not just 1 or 2. Hmm.

No - in terms of recruiting buzz it was enormous, immediately - he wasn't ranked 'down' or 'off the list' of people - the RSCI being #96 from last summer is only due to timing - that is, he was not a 2010 kid until after most people had released the ratings that were used for the RSCI calculation - only Hoopmasters had included him. Previous ratings ignored him because people didn't know he was going to be coming to the US and would become a 2010 prospect.

He didn't even set foot in the USA until August.

In other words, that RSCI rating that you're referencing is not a consensus view on Kanter at a given point in time.
 

No - in terms of recruiting buzz it was enormous, immediately - he wasn't ranked 'down' or 'off the list' of people - the RSCI being #96 from last summer is only due to timing - that is, he was not a 2010 kid until after most people had released the ratings that were used for the RSCI calculation - only Hoopmasters had included him. Previous ratings ignored him because people didn't know he was going to be coming to the US and would become a 2010 prospect.

He didn't even set foot in the USA until August.

In other words, that RSCI rating that you're referencing is not a consensus view on Kanter at a given point in time.

The RSCI list was created about this time last year so yes, last summer. Only Van Coleman at Hoopmasters had him ranked (#16) in Top 100 list. Dave Telep (and several others) did not have him in their Top 100 lists.

RSCI Summer Top 100 - Class of 2010
Rankings from: Sept 2009

My point all along was that Kanter was much higher ranked in spring of 2010. RSCI shows that.
 



The RSCI does not show that. It's not an appropriate comparison (spring 2010 vs summer 2009 rankings) in almost all cases, because most of the summer 2009 rankings came out before he was a 2010 prospect.

People didn't rank him 'outside of the top 100' (or 150). They simply had not ranked him.
 

The RSCI does not show that. It's not an appropriate comparison (spring 2010 vs summer 2009 rankings) in almost all cases, because most of the summer 2009 rankings came out before he was a 2010 prospect.

People didn't rank him 'outside of the top 100' (or 150). They simply had not ranked him.

Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.

Like I said, Kanter generated a lot more "buzz" after the Nike Hoop Summit than he did before.
 




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