Oregon 12 Players on the Field

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rovert M said:
Bielema did something similar at Wisconsin against Penn State. Had players purposely be offsides on 3 consecutive kickoffs and time ran out before to end the half and PSU couldn’t run offensive plays. Clock started on the kick at the time, and PSU choices were 5 yard penalty where they caught the ball or re-kick.
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They should make it so the clock time is reset to the moment the ball was snapped (or kicked) on any defensive (or special teams) penalties under 0:30 or 1:00

This would prevent any type of defensive penalty shenanigans to shave time, including things like holding all the wide receivers or charging unabated at the QB
 

disco said:
That becomes subjective though, doesn't it? I think putting the time back on the clock would be a better option.
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If they're not running directly towards the sideline at the snap then it would be 15 yards IMO.
 

fmlizard said:
They should make it so the clock time is reset to the moment the ball was snapped (or kicked) on any defensive (or special teams) penalties under 0:30 or 1:00

This would prevent any type of defensive penalty shenanigans to shave time, including things like holding all the wide receivers or charging unabated at the QB
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Or just let the non penalty committing team decide if they want the clock reset back to where it was or not.
 

GophersInIowa said:
If they're not running directly towards the sideline at the snap then it would be 15 yards IMO.
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I'm going to sound totally nitpicky here...

Say the extra guy is lined up at end. Starts jogging toward the sideline at the snap. Reverses direction and gets into the play?
 




One fix would be to expand and emphasize the unfair act rule. Empower officials to, in the event of an intentional foul to gain a tactical advantage, craft a remedy that they think is sufficient to undo the advantage gained.

There is a rule that says if a player jumps off the bench to tackle a player who otherwise has a clear path to a TD, the refs award a touchdown instead of just 5 yards for 12 men on the field. I'm pretty sure that the origin for that rule was a situation where that happened in a Navy game a long time ago, and the refs basically said "there's no rule, but this is nonsense, so we are giving them the touchdown anyways." This would basically be a catch all to let refs address the next "loophole" that's found instead of waiting for it to be exploited and then changing it after it's too late. Obviously, there would be controversy and fans would whine when their team gets penalized that way.

A lot of the recent loopholes seem to come from taking deliberate penalties to get the benefit of time that runs off. Maybe an easier fix for those would just be to, for any penalty, give the unrealized team the option to restore the clock to where it was before the play. Sort of the opposite of the automatic runoff for some offensive penalties late in games.
 


disco said:
I'm going to sound totally nitpicky here...

Say the extra guy is lined up at end. Starts jogging toward the sideline at the snap. Reverses direction and gets into the play?
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Then he participated. A 5 yarder is only someone that is running to the sideline and stays there.
 



This guy would pull crap back in the day. IIRC at one point he had his team's football jerseys made with a football-shaped and colored patch sewn on the front with the idea that fake handoffs etc would be more deceptive. He also used some ethically questionable clock management tricks. Sounds like he did some nicer things later in life. https://www.thestate.com/news/local/environment/article268116237.html
 

Seems like any decision to add time back would need to apply to any defensive foul that gives them a game-altering unfair advantage - DPI, defensive holding, etc. I think that’s fine, although I also think it’s fine to keep things as they are. These games aren’t fair, and I appreciate gamesmanship.

Shouldn’t we be more upset the Big Ten will take no action after their officials took an obvious interception away from Oregon earlier in the game? Get them some glasses, Pettiti. OSU deserved to lose.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Or just let the non penalty committing team decide if they want the clock reset back to where it was or not.
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Guessing this is probably the direction they end up going but I would also put in a limiter like the time would only be added back in the final minute of the half or game or something like that.

I'm all for gamesmanship but intentionally breaking the rules to exploit a clock issue like this is pretty lame.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Guessing this is probably the direction they end up going but I would also put in a limiter like the time would only be added back in the final minute of the half or game or something like that.

I'm all for gamesmanship but intentionally breaking the rules to exploit a clock issue like this is pretty lame.
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It's a tradeoff, like intentionally fouling at the end of a basketball game. Oregon was penalized.
 




HopHead said:
There are a few situations that have a mandatory or optional 10 second run-off. Maybe there should also be situations, like this one, where the there is a mandatory or optional 10 second addition.
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For defensive offside or 1 men on the field, since you can take the penalty without a loss of down, it feels like intent of the rule is that the offense gets to do the play over with the benefit of the 5 yard penalty. Allowing the offense to restore the clock to the start of they play seems like an obvious way to fulfill the intent of giving the offense a "do-over" of the play with the penalty yardage added.
 

disco said:
It's a tradeoff, like intentionally fouling at the end of a basketball game. Oregon was penalized.
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True but in this case the time would have been way more valuable to Ohio State than the yards.

Not really sure the basketball comparison holds up since that is just an accepted part of the game that fouls committed at the end of games won't be called intentional fouls even when they are 1000% intentional. It really isn't teams exploiting a loophole the way Oregon did.
 

disco said:
It's a tradeoff, like intentionally fouling at the end of a basketball game. Oregon was penalized.
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I have no problem with Lanning doing it, it's the rules. However, I fully support the NCAA in changing that rule.
 

Here’s the rules interpretation handed down by the NCAA to close the loophole in the illegal substitution foul that Oregon used against Ohio State.
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Now they just added another loophole that teams can use by running guy off at last second.

Just go with the offense has option to have time go back to what it was before the play if it's under 1:00 & let's call it a day!
 

FireDaveLee said:
Now they just added another loophole that teams can use by running guy off at last second.

Just go with the offense has option to have time go back to what it was before the play if it's under 1:00 & let's call it a day!
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It was my impression that what Oregon did was to gain the benefit of the extra defender being on the field and participating in the play to help prevent a long gain. Now that benefit is gone if the player has to be running off the field.
 

HopHead said:
It was my impression that what Oregon did was to gain the benefit of the extra defender being on the field and participating in the play to help prevent a long gain. Now that benefit is gone if the player has to be running off the field.
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I think the benefit was that along with chew up clock as it would tick during the play.

With this, time can still come off the clock if it's the running off the field. And they can start with 12 & have a slot CB jogging off the field just prior to the snap......at least that's how I can see it being exploited. Maybe that's where the "influence on the play" comes into it all.....up to interpretation.

I like that the NCAA is being proactive about it....but wonder if it's still leaving an area of contention & controversy.
 

Dan Lanning kinda looks like a guy you'd see sucker-punching someone in an Instagram road rage video.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Guessing this is probably the direction they end up going but I would also put in a limiter like the time would only be added back in the final minute of the half or game or something like that.

I'm all for gamesmanship but intentionally breaking the rules to exploit a clock issue like this is pretty lame.
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Nailed it with the exception of they did the final 2 minutes of each half instead of 1.
 


FireDaveLee said:
I think the benefit was that along with chew up clock as it would tick during the play.

With this, time can still come off the clock if it's the running off the field. And they can start with 12 & have a slot CB jogging off the field just prior to the snap......at least that's how I can see it being exploited. Maybe that's where the "influence on the play" comes into it all.....up to interpretation.

I like that the NCAA is being proactive about it....but wonder if it's still leaving an area of contention & controversy.
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I think by leaving it this way it closes pandora's box for a bit on those that think jumping offside is the same as playing with 12.
 

Tech Machine said:
Just put the time back on the clock for that penalty, regardless of when it happens. Not a big fan of moves like that, kind of chickenspit in my opinion.
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Glad they listened to me, wasn’t sure I talked to the right guy.
 

FireDaveLee said:
I like that the NCAA is being proactive about it....but wonder if it's still leaving an area of contention & controversy.
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Same here, and it could result in an extremely subjective call deciding a game, which I don't like.

That said, it seems that the rule interpretation change is more to dissuade coaches from trying to pull this in the future.
 

FireDaveLee said:
Here’s the rules interpretation handed down by the NCAA to close the loophole in the illegal substitution foul that Oregon used against Ohio State.
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We’re all beyond ecstatic the NCAA snapped into action and tried their best to ensure this horrible scenario of unlikely events will never occur in the same way again sometime in the next 128 years of the Big Ten conference, a conference known for the highest standard of officiating, clean games, and a sprawling Rosemont, Illinois command facility (next to Fogo!) rivaling Johnson Space Center Mission Control tracking all the action and getting the calls right.





 

FireDaveLee said:
Now they just added another loophole that teams can use by running guy off at last second.

Just go with the offense has option to have time go back to what it was before the play if it's under 1:00 & let's call it a day!
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Yeah, this was an unnecessary qualification to the rule.

Line up with 13 guys and then run two of them towards the sidelines and off the field. The offense still needs to take account of those players and if they throw in a different direction (because it's more crowded on the side with guys running off the field), is that impacting the play?

I don't see the harm in just making a rule that if the defense commits a penalty in the last 2 minutes of the half or game, the clock reverts back to before the ball was snapped. It takes out all of the judgement.
 

FredCoxRocks said:
Dan Lanning kinda looks like a guy you'd see sucker-punching someone in an Instagram road rage video.
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Did you hear about the Ravens fan that sucker punched a couple Washington fans? The entire twitter community came together to figure out who he was. They do look similar.

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lawandcrime.com

Cops issue arrest warrant after man wearing Ravens jersey sucker punches fans of opposing team

First he got fired from his job and now the guy who said "I don't lose" is going to jail.
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