Ohio State Shuts Down Workouts Due To COVID

[MplsGopher]

Nope. The virus becomes inactive in higher temperatures.

No idea why you're telling yourself this lie. But you're not citing anything, so you're clearly just making it up.

 

[MplsGopher]

Relevant source text:

The CDC stopped publishing anything resembling a complete database of daily test results on February 29. When it resumed publishing test data last week, a page of its website explaining its new COVID Data Tracker said that only viral tests were included in its figures. “These data represent only viral tests. Antibody tests are not currently captured in these data,” the page said as recently as May 18.

Yesterday, that language was changed. All reference to disaggregating the two different types of tests disappeared. “These data are compiled from a number of sources,” the new version read. The text strongly implied that both types of tests were included in the count, but did not explicitly say so.

Thanks for sharing the article.

Doing a quick Google search, this was widely reported back on May 21/22 it seems, the same date as your article, which also mentiones that the CDC was planning to stop this practice in the coming weeks (from then).

So until someone with credibility reports otherwise, there is no reason to assume that this hadn't already been corrected before the recent surge in cases.

 

[Donovan]

Nope. The virus becomes inactive in higher temperatures. That is a fact.

I think it's generally accepted that the virus spreads easiest indoors. Down south as soon as the heat hits, they spend most of their time indoors with recirculated air conditioned air. Similar to us in the cold months. Some speculate this is the reason for the spike. So, I understand the closures of indoor dining, but closing the beach and parks I think is unwise.

The flu comparison always riles folks up. The fact is the flu has a higher mortality rate for younger folks (as of now, of course future mutations could change that). Statistically, children have a higher chance of dying in a car or bus accident going to and from school than dying of Covid. On the other hand, Covid-19 is much worse than the flu for older folks and those with underlying health issues. The examples of several European countries where schools were not shut down demonstrate to me that kids need to go back school. The positives outweigh the negatives.

 

[So_Money]

No idea why you're telling yourself this lie. But you're not citing anything, so you're clearly just making it up.

Why don't you look it up yourself. It is easy to find.

 

[Some guy]

Poor word choice by me. I didn't mean forgo their senior year entirely, though that's probably what "opt out" means to most people. Sorry.

What I meant was basically to take the 2020-21 school year off. Then resume their senior year, including their last year of football eligibility, in the fall of 2021.

Can that be a thing?

That’s possible for some but I think unlikely.
There are some eligibility challenges. But more likely you are putting off your income earning years By a year, not sure high school sports is financially worth it to most

 

[So_Money]

I think it's generally accepted that the virus spreads easiest indoors. Down south as soon as the heat hits, they spend most of their time indoors with recirculated air conditioned air. Similar to us in the cold months. Some speculate this is the reason for the spike. So, I understand the closures of indoor dining, but closing the beach and parks I think is unwise.

The flu comparison always riles folks up. The fact is the flu has a higher mortality rate for younger folks (as of now, of course future mutations could change that). Children have a higher chance of dying in a car or bus accident going to and from school than dying of Covid. On the other hand, Covid-19 is much worse than the flu for older folks and those with underlying health issues. The examples of several European countries where schools were not shut down demonstrate to me that kids need to go back school. The positives outweigh the negatives.

Correct. Latent virus can become reactivated and AC and circulated air is a main reason why it will spread despite the warmer temperatures.

 

[MplsGopher]

That’s possible for some but I think unlikely.
There are some eligibility challenges. But more likely you are putting off your income earning years By a year, not sure high school sports is financially worth it to most

Right, that's a valid point, that would have to be a consideration.

But there will definitely be some, who don't mind that (maybe even try to justify it by saying they'll work a job over the 2020-21 school year, instead), and who aren't planning on playing college, so this is their last year of football. And getting to be a senior/big man on campus, in-person. That can't be replaced by a virtual experience.

If I was supposed to be a senior, in the above situation, and someone said I could essentially just defer that to the 2021-22 school year .... I would absolutely consider it.

 

[MplsGopher]

I think it's generally accepted that the virus spreads easiest indoors. Down south as soon as the heat hits, they spend most of their time indoors with recirculated air conditioned air. Similar to us in the cold months. Some speculate this is the reason for the spike. So, I understand the closures of indoor dining, but closing the beach and parks I think is unwise.

The flu comparison always riles folks up. The fact is the flu has a higher mortality rate for younger folks (as of now, of course future mutations could change that). Children have a higher chance of dying in a car or bus accident going to and from school than dying of Covid. On the other hand, Covid-19 is much worse than the flu for older folks and those with underlying health issues. The examples of several European countries where schools were not shut down demonstrate to me that kids need to go back school. The positives outweigh the negatives.

Bolded: right, exactly what I said.

 

[MplsGopher]

Correct. Latent virus can become reactivated and AC and circulated air is a main reason why it will spread despite the warmer temperatures.

You have absolutely no clue, what "active" or "latent" virus actually means. That's why it's hard to have an honest discussion with you. You make up your own definitions of words, and aren't up front about that.

 

[Some guy]

Right, that's a valid point, that would have to be a consideration.

But there will definitely be some, who don't mind that (maybe even try to justify it by saying they'll work a job over the 2020-21 school year, instead), and who aren't planning on playing college, so this is their last year of football. And getting to be a senior/big man on campus, in-person. That can't be replaced by a virtual experience.

If I was supposed to be a senior, in the above situation, and someone said I could essentially just defer that to the 2021-22 school year .... I would absolutely consider it.

I think the number interested in that would be very low but not zero

 

[MplsGopher]

I think the number interested in that would be very low but not zero

Fair enough, could be.

Do you think, in MN, that the MSHSL would disallow them to maintain their final season of eligibility, if they chose to sit out of the 2020-21 school year?

 

[WhoFellDownTheGopherHole?]

So far, there’s no evidence that we’ll see a surge in deaths. It’s been over 3 weeks since the number of cases per day started climbing. We’re not out of the woods yet, but this is not going to be anything like March/April.

1000 deaths Tuesday. 900 Wednesday. On pace today for 1100.

How high does it have to go before its a 'surge' to you?

 

[FredCoxRocks]

This wave hit right after I removed my mask...I feel I may be to blame. I am putting my mask back on.

 

[Some guy]

Fair enough, could be.

Do you think, in MN, that the MSHSL would disallow them to maintain their final season of eligibility, if they chose to sit out of the 2020-21 school year?

I think they already have policies on that but I’m not sure the exact rule. Two years ago there was controversy when a kid from minnehaha was ruled ineligible because he had repeated a grade too late in his career.

not sure the rule though

 

[howeda7]

The NBA and MLB may start. I seriously doubt any of them are going to finish as intended.

 

[MplsGopher]

1000 deaths Tuesday. 900 Wednesday. On pace today for 1100.

How high does it have to go before its a 'surge' to you?

 

[MplsGopher]

Can't you just feel your natural, embedded pessimism that comes from being a Gopher fan, starting to kick in???

Is that little uptick there at the far right of the deaths chart .... just a blip? Or is the start of "oh shit ... here we go ..." ?

I think we'll have a pretty good feel for that by mid of next week....

 

[LakerFan]

Can't you just feel your natural, embedded pessimism that comes from being a Gopher fan, starting to kick in???

Is that little uptick there at the far right of the deaths chart .... just a blip? Or is the start of "oh shit ... here we go ..." ?

I think we'll have a pretty good feel for that by mid of next week....

Agreed it's wait and see time. Last 7 days deaths 4101, previous 7 3832, 7% increase, Not ready to call it a surge but it's cautionary.

 

[PoockItInfor6]

Thanks for sharing the article.

Doing a quick Google search, this was widely reported back on May 21/22 it seems, the same date as your article, which also mentiones that the CDC was planning to stop this practice in the coming weeks (from then).

So until someone with credibility reports otherwise, there is no reason to assume that this hadn't already been corrected before the recent surge in cases.

The website still seems to imply that they are conflating the two based on the screenshot below...

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

I'm so far ahead of the times.

I shutdown regular workouts DECADES AGO!

 

[PitinoFan]

1000 deaths Tuesday. 900 Wednesday. On pace today for 1100.

How high does it have to go before its a 'surge' to you?

This isn’t real time data. The chart is indicative of when deaths are reported, not when the occured, so I think we need more than two days.I suspect they will go up somewhat with the higher number of infections and hospitalizations, so it depends on your definition of “surge.” I stated that I don’t think it be like March/April. We’ll know within a couple weeks.

 

[MplsGopher]

The website still seems to imply that they are conflating the two based on the screenshot below...

I don’t know, but my guess is that most tests the last few weeks are for active infection and not for antibodies.

So if this conflation was already happening in late May or earlier, then it’s still not unreasonable to assume the spike in cases the last few weeks is almost exclusively from positive tests for active infections.

Not trying to dismiss you. Just don’t think it’s nearly as big of a deal as you think it is. But I am open to someone auditing it, to actually confirm that.

Regardless, if deaths start going up, that is independent of the types of positive tests that have been reported.

 

[Ope3]

Fair enough, could be.

Do you think, in MN, that the MSHSL would disallow them to maintain their final season of eligibility, if they chose to sit out of the 2020-21 school year?

Feels like a tricky needle to thread. There would be a lot of 19-20 year olds competing in HS/Prep sports. Just does not seem right.

 

[MplsGopher]

Yeah, hard questions.

And what about college, if fall sports gets cancelled? Will all those retain a season of eligibility and get a year on their eligibility window? Seniors to be who didn’t get to play their last year?

 

[PoockItInfor6]

I don’t know, but my guess is that most tests the last few weeks are for active infection and not for antibodies.

So if this conflation was already happening in late May or earlier, then it’s still not unreasonable to assume the spike in cases the last few weeks is almost exclusively from positive tests for active infections.

Not trying to dismiss you. Just don’t think it’s nearly as big of a deal as you think it is. But I am open to someone auditing it, to actually confirm that.

Regardless, if deaths start going up, that is independent of the types of positive tests that have been reported.

Seeing the deaths drop through the 4th was what had me thinking this is a big deal, though the deaths the last 2 days being a bit higher again has me a little less optimistic than I was on Monday.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

Yeah, hard questions.

And what about college, if fall sports gets cancelled? Will all those retain a season of eligibility and get a year on their eligibility window? Seniors to be who didn’t get to play their last year?

And the younger kids ... they're still graduating and incoming ... if you let the senors stay ... do you then kick the incoming kids off scholarship?

Or do you raise the scholarship limits and ... let the school decide if they want to eat that cost... for some schools that won't be possible cost wise...

 

[GopherGuy8]

If you don't have a hard time with hospitals running out of ICU beds then you have never had a loved one in an ICU, or spent time in one yourself. How many times does it need to be proven to people like you that Covid-19 isn't the same as the fucking flu?


Hospitals in Florida, Texas and Arizona Are Almost at Capacity as Coronavirus Cases Surge

Five hospitals in the St. Petersburg Fl area were out of intensive care unit beds, officials said. Miami’s Baptist Hospital had only four of its 88 ICU beds available. “If we continue to increase at the pace we have been, we won’t have enough ventilators, enough rooms,” said Dr. David De La Zerda, ICU medical director and pulmonologist at Miami’s Jackson Memorial Hospital.

Officials in Texas also reported hospitals are in danger of being overwhelmed. Hospitalizations statewide surged past 8,000 for the first time over the weekend, a more than fourfold increase in the past month. Houston officials said intensive care units there have exceeded capacity. Along the border with Mexico, two severely ill patients were flown hundreds of miles north to Dallas and San Antonio because hospitals in the Rio Grande Valley were full.

In Arizona, the number of people hospitalized with COVID-19 topped 3,200, a new high, and hospitals statewide were at 89% capacity. Confirmed cases surpassed 100,000, and more than half of those infected, or over 62,000, are under 44 years old, state health officials said.

Health officials in South Carolina reported over 1,500 new cases Monday. If the numbers keep rising at their current rates, hospitals will probably have to adopt an emergency plan to add 3,000 more beds in places such as hotels and gyms, authorities said.

Alabama has been averaging about 1,000 new cases a day, two or three times what it was seeing in late April, when its stay-at-home order was lifted. “We set a record for highs over the holiday weekend, and, of course, given the number of people who were out and about over the weekend celebrating, we are certainly concerned about what the next couple of weeks are going to look like as well,” said Scott Harris, Alabama’s health office

In West Virginia, Republican Gov. Jim Justice reversed course and ordered the wearing of face masks indoors, joining other state leaders around the country. “I’m telling you, West Virginia, if we don’t do that and do this now, we’re going to be in a world of hurt,” he said, adding: “It’s not much of an inconvenience.”

https://time.com/5863564/hospitals-capacity-coronavirus-surge/

Why aren't all of the extra ICU beds and ventilators that New York received during there big outbreak being sent to these states now?

 

[GoldenRodents]

If you don't have a hard time with hospitals running out of ICU beds then you have never had a loved one in an ICU, or spent time in one yourself. How many times does it need to be proven to people like you that Covid-19 isn't the same as the fucking flu?


Hospitals in Florida, Texas and Arizona Are Almost at Capacity as Coronavirus Cases Surge

Five hospitals in the St. Petersburg Fl area were out of intensive care unit beds, officials said. Miami’s Baptist Hospital had only four of its 88 ICU beds available. “If we continue to increase at the pace we have been, we won’t have enough ventilators, enough rooms,” said Dr. David De La Zerda, ICU medical director and pulmonologist at Miami’s Jackson Memorial Hospital.

Officials in Texas also reported hospitals are in danger of being overwhelmed. Hospitalizations statewide surged past 8,000 for the first time over the weekend, a more than fourfold increase in the past month. Houston officials said intensive care units there have exceeded capacity. Along the border with Mexico, two severely ill patients were flown hundreds of miles north to Dallas and San Antonio because hospitals in the Rio Grande Valley were full.

In Arizona, the number of people hospitalized with COVID-19 topped 3,200, a new high, and hospitals statewide were at 89% capacity. Confirmed cases surpassed 100,000, and more than half of those infected, or over 62,000, are under 44 years old, state health officials said.

Health officials in South Carolina reported over 1,500 new cases Monday. If the numbers keep rising at their current rates, hospitals will probably have to adopt an emergency plan to add 3,000 more beds in places such as hotels and gyms, authorities said.

Alabama has been averaging about 1,000 new cases a day, two or three times what it was seeing in late April, when its stay-at-home order was lifted. “We set a record for highs over the holiday weekend, and, of course, given the number of people who were out and about over the weekend celebrating, we are certainly concerned about what the next couple of weeks are going to look like as well,” said Scott Harris, Alabama’s health office

In West Virginia, Republican Gov. Jim Justice reversed course and ordered the wearing of face masks indoors, joining other state leaders around the country. “I’m telling you, West Virginia, if we don’t do that and do this now, we’re going to be in a world of hurt,” he said, adding: “It’s not much of an inconvenience.”

https://time.com/5863564/hospitals-capacity-coronavirus-surge/

Stop the panic porn. There is no way to stop the virus but through herd immunity. COVID19 is ultra contagious among those without natural immunity. Let life go on. Those who believe they are vulnerable need to hide, the faster we get through this the better, anyone telling you otherwise is not following the science.

We have demonstrated that hospital capacity can be expanded where needed.

 

[WhoFellDownTheGopherHole?]

This isn’t real time data. The chart is indicative of when deaths are reported, not when the occured, so I think we need more than two days.I suspect they will go up somewhat with the higher number of infections and hospitalizations, so it depends on your definition of “surge.” I stated that I don’t think it be like March/April. We’ll know within a couple weeks.

I absolutely agree that it's not real time data, but thanks to my OCD i have a pretty good feel for when the data dumps typically occur.

 

[MplsGopher]

Stop the panic porn. There is no way to stop the virus but through herd immunity. COVID19 is ultra contagious among those without natural immunity. Let life go on. Those who believe they are vulnerable need to hide, the faster we get through this the better, anyone telling you otherwise is not following the science.

We have demonstrated that hospital capacity can be expanded where needed.

You pretty much repeat this same thing over and over.

So let’s try something different: why do you think that almost no one who makes the decisions or is consulted as an expert, agrees with your viewpoint?