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While we schedule and have troubles against Fairleigh, OSU picks up another win vs Kentucky.
 

TwistingMyMelon said:
That's what irritated me the most too. I was saying to myself "For God sakes, stop dribbling so much and either shoot or pass!"
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I didn't see the game but the few times I've seen Patterson play he reminded me of Cooper, by nature of the way he played the offense always grinded to a halt.
 

bga1 said:
They are selling cheap tickets to people who DO NOT buy season tickets and doing nothing for the remaining season ticket holders that continue to soldier on. I am all for letting everyone in cheap at this point. Season ticket holders should be getting a partial refund. I no longer am one so I have no axe to grind there.
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I have no issue with discounted tickets or admitting people for free for that matter. I was pleasantly surprised to see the number of folks sitting in the student section today. Buying season tickets is my investment in the program. A better atmosphere with more fans strengthens the investment. My hunch is most season tickets holders wouid agree.
 



short ornery norwegian said:
I have no inside information - just a wild hunch - but

I predict that Coyle will give Ben the dreaded "vote of confidence" at some point in January.

Coyle will add that "he will evaluate Johnson's performance after the season is complete."

which, in Coyle-speak, means he's already trying to back-channel with potential candidates or their agents.

then, 3 or 4 days after the season ends, Coyle will announce that Johnson will not return. Coyle will stress that this was "a mutual decision." this will be a lie.
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You haven't figured out Coyle is nowhere to be seen? And he's going to give a vote of confidence?

😂😂😂😂
 


Why BJ plays Patterson over Asuma is beyond comprehension. Maybe Ben guaranteed him PT to get him to come to MN.

Clearly his best 3 are Garcia, Mike, Asuma and a combo of Femi, Fox/Edmunds. Yet Ben keeps on marching out Patterson. We will likely see very little of Betts which is warranted. And #24 minutes will be fewer and fewer. Once again Ben will go with a 7 man rotation including Patterson.

Brutal.
 

FinnGopher said:
Edmunds was not much of a factor today. He never sealed his defender and demanded a post entrance. He (and the whole team) refused to fight for rebounds. Instead, they just watch the ball and turn every rebound into a 50-50 ball. Edmunds as our big shows just how far the Gophers have fallen in recruiting bigs.
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Well he did have 8 boards in 16 minutes. But, let's face it, the entry pass to the post is not a feature of this offense. If you are not a perimeter dribbler- you ain't getting the ball most likely.
 




Bayfield Gopher said:
Why BJ plays Patterson over Asuma is beyond comprehension. Maybe Ben guaranteed him PT to get him to come to MN.

Clearly his best 3 are Garcia, Mike, Asuma and a combo of Femi, Fox/Edmunds. Yet Ben keeps on marching out Patterson. We will likely see very little of Betts which is warranted. And #24 minutes will be fewer and fewer. Once again Ben will go with a 7 man rotation including Patterson.

Brutal.
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I think we need Patterson in the rotation out of absolute desperation. However, he should be getting backup minutes.

Asuma - Mitchell - Odukale - Garcia - Edmunds

Bench: Fox, Rigsby, F. Mitchell, Patterson

if Caleb Williams can play (I have no idea), let him take minutes from Rigsby and Patterson when he has a hot hand.
 

oak_street1981 said:
I am old and Gopher Basketball was what kept me sane through the winter months. This is awful.

And for the record, there is no way AD M. Coyle decided poor Ben Johnson was his prime candidate.. As much as I find Coyle annoying, he had a list and he was ordered to hire Ben from above. Thank your Whatthefuckwashernamepresident
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While we were struggling to break 20 yesterday in the first half, President Gabel’s Panthers scored 110 against Sam Houston—so much for basketbsll karma on 12/21.
 




Bob_Loblaw said:
I think we need Patterson in the rotation out of absolute desperation. However, he should be getting backup minutes.

Asuma - Mitchell - Odukale - Garcia - Edmunds

Bench: Fox, Rigsby, F. Mitchell, Patterson

if Caleb Williams can play (I have no idea), let him take minutes from Rigsby and Patterson when he has a hot hand.
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I for one would like to see Williams on the floor just to see what he can do. Why not give him a shot. I know he was recovering from mono earlier and that kept him out. Anybody else feel the same way?
 

Bayfield Gopher said:
Why BJ plays Patterson over Asuma is beyond comprehension. Maybe Ben guaranteed him PT to get him to come to MN.

Clearly his best 3 are Garcia, Mike, Asuma and a combo of Femi, Fox/Edmunds. Yet Ben keeps on marching out Patterson. We will likely see very little of Betts which is warranted. And #24 minutes will be fewer and fewer. Once again Ben will go with a 7 man rotation including Patterson.

Brutal.
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I wonder how people would view Asuma if he wasn't "one of us" because his metrics are garbage.

And although Patterson is technically "one of us", he still is viewed as more of an import. He's the third most productive player behind Garcia and Mitchell. His main problem is that he's a terrible shooter and he shoots too much (especially from midrange). He actually has an above average assist rate and does not turn it over.

ETA: I wonder who Cochran will take minutes from.

Here's the data to back it up:

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formerlybis said:
I wonder how people would view Asuma if he wasn't "one of us" because his metrics are garbage.

And although Patterson is technically "one of us", he still is viewed as more of an import. He's the third most productive player behind Garcia and Mitchell. His main problem is that he's a terrible shooter and he shoots too much (especially from midrange). He actually has an above average assist rate and does not turn it over.

ETA: I wonder who Cochran will take minutes from.

Here's the data to back it up:

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Watching the game tells me how valuable Asuma is to picking the tempo of this team up. He is a guard who doesn't dribble around. He needs to drive more, but I think that is a caution issue- not wanting to take chances. He is the best point guard they have-easily.
 

jblass said:
I for one would like to see Williams on the floor just to see what he can do. Why not give him a shot. I know he was recovering from mono earlier and that kept him out. Anybody else feel the same way?
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I would like to see a team out there that has more guys that can make shots. Williams is a guy that can. Rigsby and Patterson could stand to get less minutes.
 


bga1 said:
I would like to see a team out there that has more guys that can make shots. Williams is a guy that can. Rigsby and Patterson could stand to get less minutes.
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Bob_Loblaw said:
Yep, let’s see what we got and at maybe it could be some fun
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Williams received some playing time yesterday (#6). He didn't do anything on either end of the floor. I was hoping he'd hoist a couple, but he didn't look to shoot. Ben took him out after about 5 minutes of play and he never saw the court again.
 

FinnGopher said:
Williams received some playing time yesterday (#6). He didn't do anything on either end of the floor. I was hoping he'd hoist a couple, but he didn't look to shoot. Ben took him out after about 5 minutes of play and he never saw the court again.
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If he had his hands on the ball more than twice during his time I'd be surprised.
 

bga1 said:
If he had his hands on the ball more than twice during his time I'd be surprised.
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He touched a handful of times, but it was always 22 feet or farther from the rim as we ran a wheel around the perimeter. He never had a clear look, or maybe once he could have launched from NBA range, but that's Ben's offense for you.
 

bga1 said:
Watching the game tells me how valuable Asuma is to picking the tempo of this team up. He is a guard who doesn't dribble around. He needs to drive more, but I think that is a caution issue- not wanting to take chances. He is the best point guard they have-easily.
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Mitchell is a much better passer, steadier with the ball, and best option at PG right now.

But we need Mike at the 2 bombing away at every opportunity. Only chance this team has to be competitive is if he is a quality 2nd option and puts up 16+ PPG on good efficiency.
 

Just asking the question, since I can't possibly know because I don't get to watch practice. But, is it possible that the reason Asuma doesn't start is because he isn't particularly aggressive with his offense in practice and if he isn't aggressive and confident offensively in practice, chances are he won't be in the game either? It's not unusual for young players. Maybe it's a matter of when he shows aggressive, confidence in looking for his shot, and executing in practice ( like I'm assuming Patterson does) he'll get the start. Honestly, most coaches I know have the same attitude; "if you don't do it in practice, I can't trust you to start doing it in a game". Most coaches I know are pretty uncomfortable in just throwing mud against the wall to see what sticks. Although it seems that things are desperate enough that maybe that philosophy should change, it's not something coaches do easily.

Regarding Williams, is it possible that he has trouble getting and making his shots in practice, therefore the reluctance to put him in a game? Again, I don't know because I don't see practices, but another thing coaches in general are reluctant to do it put players into situations that there's not much chance for success. I know Williams lit up the Gophers early last season, but I remember more than a few posters noting that he wasn't that great overall at the D-3 level. Again, the throwing mud against the wall to see what sticks philosophy.

I have to admit I'm not a fan of that philosophy in my real life either, because 95% of the time, you find out that, in addition to showing your complete desperation, you just made things worse by doing that.

Admittedly, we're desperate, but if it were any of us, would we be so ready to admit it?
 

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