Notre Dame Schadenfreude thread

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as others have said... sure, stay independent if that is your tradition and schtick, but that should make it HARDER to get to the playoff, not easier. Trade your independent ability to craft your own schedule, gobble all your TV money without sharing, etc. but as a price it should be a bit harder to get into the playoff. I doubt anyone will lose sleep over ND not getting in this year's playoff.
 

btowngopher said:
Have you not seen the rate of and number of changes over the past 20 years?
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Yep - I don't think its sustainable. I think you are reducing interest in the game rather than expanding it. Fewer folks are attending games and less interest in games outside of the "big games" and CFP. Similar to what is happening with Basketball. TV money is great - those numbers aren't going to stay there - they cant. Bubble has to burst. Parity is the key - keep fan bases interested as long as possible.
 

Schnauzer said:
as others have said... sure, stay independent if that is your tradition and schtick, but that should make it HARDER to get to the playoff, not easier. Trade your independent ability to craft your own schedule, gobble all your TV money without sharing, etc. but as a price it should be a bit harder to get into the playoff. I doubt anyone will lose sleep over ND not getting in this year's playoff.
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Agree with everything but the last line. There absolutely are people that will lose sleep over it which is why it is a story in the first place.
 


MNVCGUY said:
Agree with everything but the last line. There absolutely are people that will lose sleep over it which is why it is a story in the first place.
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Who outside of Notre Dame will lose sleep over them not getting in the playoff? I get it that their undies are in a bunch - that goes without saying.
 

Schnauzer said:
Who outside of Notre Dame will lose sleep over them not getting in the playoff? I get it that their undies are in a bunch - that goes without saying.
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Notre Dame has a very passionate fan base that spans the country. I mean I don't know that anyone is literally losing sleep over it but Notre Dame expects special treatment in football whether they deserve it or not.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Notre Dame has a very passionate fan base that spans the country. I mean I don't know that anyone is literally losing sleep over it but Notre Dame expects special treatment in football whether they deserve it or not.
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This is true. Which begs the question, what drives that self-entitlement? Has there been any national benefit from Notre Dame football that I'm unaware of?
 

50PoundHead said:
Beef or no beef, ND has been the beneficiary of a lot and it's simply poor sportsmanship at play here. There's really no excuse for this. It's almost like Scott Frost contending that his 13-0 UCF squad should have been declared national champs.
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Weren't they?
 



Some guy said:
Don’t think they’d do semifinals

The divisional imbalance wouldn’t matter with 4 because you’d play your whole division plus an entire other division.

So the gophers schedule in his scenario would be;
Iowa
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Illinois


The the entirety of one of the following three groups
Oregon, Washington, USC, UCLA, Stanford
Or
Notre Dame, Purdue, Indiana, northwestern, penn state
Or
Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan state, Rutgers, Maryland

That’s a good schedule every year.
Divisions would be for scheduling only.
Conference title game just between top two teams.

Or

If there are locked number of bids by conference…say the big ten gets 4….the big ten plays a 4-5 bubble game in place of the conference title game


Essentially in a 6 year cycle you’d have 2 scheduling divisions each year but they’d change each year. You’d get 4 teams every year and everyone else home and home in 6 years.


If you expand to 24 teams you can do an 11 game conference schedule with same setup. (I think this will happen if there aren’t at large births anymore)

West: UsC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Arizona State, Stanford

Midwest: Minnesota, Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, northwestern

Lake Erie: Michigan State, Michigan, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State, Notre dame

Atlantic:
Penn state, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, Georgia Tech, North Carolina or Miami

I don’t think they’d go to 24 without increasing the number of conference games.

The divisions only matter for scheduling.
I bet they don’t even name them.

The schedule is broken. Everyone knows it. It’ll probably wait to get fixed until the next realignment.




I also think the discourse about the west is strange. The west helped the conference. The west propped up Mn-IA-WI+ one’s records (who the other team in the top 4 of the west was seemed to rotate)
The alignment didn’t hurt the east. The east had multiple teams win national titles. 4 different programs made the playoff. The teams helped by the east-west were all 7 in the west: the teams hurt by east-west were essentially Indiana maryland and Rutgers. Now that Michigan state is below average it would’ve hurt them too. But east-west was a good alignment for 10/14 teams.


Franklin liked to complain about it, but if there wasn’t east west he would’ve gotten fired faster. Rather than lose to Ohio State once he would’ve made some more title games and lost again. The year he won a conference title he would’ve had to beat Ohio state again in a division less setup.
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Thanks for putting a lot of thought into this!
 

I really don’t understand why Notre dame owes the pop tarts bowl anything?
I hope everyone comes at Iowa state and Kansas state with the same vitriol
 

Some guy said:
I really don’t understand why Notre dame owes the pop tarts bowl anything?
I hope everyone comes at Iowa state and Kansas state with the same vitriol
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I don’t think anyone has said Notre Dame owes the Pop Tart Bowl anything. Most comments seem to be anti Notre Dame because of their “take the ball home” mentality.

I think they got screwed because Alabama should have dropped out of the top ten instead of ND. But Bama and the SEC complained before the seeding and the CFP committee caved.
 

WAGopher said:
I don’t think anyone has said Notre Dame owes the Pop Tart Bowl anything. Most comments seem to be anti Notre Dame because of their “take the ball home” mentality.

I think they got screwed because Alabama should have dropped out of the top ten instead of ND. But Bama and the SEC complained before the seeding and the CFP committee caved.
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I disagree with the selection.
Hell. I would’ve ranked Texas ahead of bama.


I get why people want to rag on Notre dame. But Notre dame didn’t want to play in a bowl game. They declined an invite. They aren’t the first team to do that, they won’t be the last.
They played every game on their schedule.
They didn’t add another game that they’d have played with a skeleton of their team. That’s fine. Their choice.
I equally don’t fault Iowa state and Kansas state for declining an invite
 




Some guy said:
I really don’t understand why Notre Dame owes the Pop Tarts Bowl anything?
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How far have the Fighting Irish fallen that they need to be held accountable to a breakfast pastry? Frosted Brown Sugar Cinnamon told Notre Dame to kiss his crust.
 




MNVCGUY said:
Notre Dame has a very passionate fan base that spans the country. I mean I don't know that anyone is literally losing sleep over it but Notre Dame expects special treatment in football whether they deserve it or not.
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When I said nobody is losing sleep over them not making the playoffs, I wasn't referring to them, their fan base, etc. - wherever in the world they may be.
 

Some guy said:
I disagree with the selection.
Hell. I would’ve ranked Texas ahead of bama.


I get why people want to rag on Notre dame. But Notre dame didn’t want to play in a bowl game. They declined an invite. They aren’t the first team to do that, they won’t be the last.
They played every game on their schedule.
They didn’t add another game that they’d have played with a skeleton of their team. That’s fine. Their choice.
I equally don’t fault Iowa state and Kansas state for declining an invite
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Notre Dame also loudly complained after the selection and then lobbied the CFP Committee to guarantee that if they finish top 12 they’ll get a CFP slot.

I totally disagree with this because if the same scenario plays out again and either the 11th or 12th spot goes to a lower ranked conference champion, which top 10 team will Notre Dame knock out of the playoffs?

Are you saying if Notre Dame accepted the Pop Tarts Bowl, their players would opt-out? Truthfully, I wasn’t thinking that way at all. And their situation is much different than Iowa State or Kansas State losing their coaches before the bowl games, which I understand.
 


Schnauzer said:
Who outside of Notre Dame will lose sleep over them not getting in the playoff? I get it that their undies are in a bunch - that goes without saying.
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I personally would have enjoyed watching the best player in college football in the playoffs.
 
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Schnauzer said:
as others have said... sure, stay independent if that is your tradition and schtick, but that should make it HARDER to get to the playoff, not easier. Trade your independent ability to craft your own schedule, gobble all your TV money without sharing, etc. but as a price it should be a bit harder to get into the playoff. I doubt anyone will lose sleep over ND not getting in this year's playoff.
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Well with the committee essentially treating the conference championship as an extra credit assignment (with Alabama at least), I'm not sure there at any advantage currently. The schedule thing is overblown. Their SOS is not much different than Ohio St, Indiana and essentially the entire ACC and Big 12.
 

WAGopher said:
Notre Dame also loudly complained after the selection and then lobbied the CFP Committee to guarantee that if they finish top 12 they’ll get a CFP slot.

I totally disagree with this because if the same scenario plays out again and either the 11th or 12th spot goes to a lower ranked conference champion, which top 10 team will Notre Dame knock out of the playoffs?

Are you saying if Notre Dame accepted the Pop Tarts Bowl, their players would opt-out? Truthfully, I wasn’t thinking that way at all. And their situation is much different than Iowa State or Kansas State losing their coaches before the bowl games, which I understand.
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i thought that top 12 deal was settled before this all went down. It wasn’t a reaction to it.

I personally don’t care than 2 loss BYU, 2 loss Notre Dame, or 3 loss Texas was left out


Honestly the system is so good now. A team that really deserves it hasn’t been left out two years in a row.


Give me 12-1 James Madison losing instead of the 6th best SEC school any day
 

Some guy said:
i thought that top 12 deal was settled before this all went down. It wasn’t a reaction to it.

I personally don’t care than 2 loss BYU, 2 loss Notre Dame, or 3 loss Texas was left out


Honestly the system is so good now. A team that really deserves it hasn’t been left out two years in a row.


Give me 12-1 James Madison losing instead of the 6th best SEC school any day
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Having 12 teams certainly makes sure the real top 4 teams are in (sans rankings), which is what really matters. Teams ranked below 8th (probably 6th) should just be happy to be in the conversation.
 

WAGopher said:
Having 12 teams certainly makes sure the real top 4 teams are in (sans rankings), which is what really matters. Teams ranked below 8th (probably 6th) should just be happy to be in the conversation.
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Yeah. I agree notre dame should’ve been in.

I would’ve ranked teams 9-16
9) Miami
10) Notre dame
-cutoff

11) BYU
12) Texas
13) bama
14) Utah
15) Vanderbilt
16) USC

After that a serious drop



But at the end of the day all of those teams could’ve been in simply by wining one more game.
Hell Michigan would’ve been in by beating Ohio state and I don’t even think they’re close.


I don’t feel bad for anyone this year
I don’t feel bad for anyone last year


2023 I felt bad for Georgia AND Florida state
2022 I didn’t feel bad for anyone
2021 I didn’t feel bad for anyone


To me 12 is enough where no one gets screwed.
If my 10 gets jumped by my 13…that’s kind of a them problem.
 

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