Not too happy in Rutgersville about the OC hire....

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I hated him in 2017, but have been a huge fan since. I do wish him the best and I think that he'll do well. He keeps it simple and he does a lot of sneaky-aggresive attacking of weaknesses when he thinks he has an advantage. Rutgers does not like to hold on to coaches so hopefully Schiano can beat that tendency and they have a good run.

Excited to see what Fleck does next. We've seen him miss and hit home runs on coordinator hires.
 

He does not get high marks from me for this season - our offense simply was not that good. He also was bounced out of PSU the year before. I thought Morgan regressed quite a bit and the play calling was suspect at times.

I wouldn't have fired him here but I would have been watching him carefully heading into next season. I do not feel bad at all that he quit on us again -- not one bit. Rutgers can have him and I don't want him back ever again.

Yes we could always do worse, but I think we can do a lot better here too.
 

Maybe they want Ole ball coach Jer back?
 




Gold Rush said:
He does not get high marks from me for this season - our offense simply was not that good. He also was bounced out of PSU the year before. I thought Morgan regressed quite a bit and the play calling was suspect at times.

I wouldn't have fired him here but I would have been watching him carefully heading into next season. I do not feel bad at all that he quit on us again -- not one bit. Rutgers can have him and I don't want him back ever again.

Yes we could always do worse, but I think we can do a lot better here too.
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I feel pretty much the same way. I'm starting to think about the Gopher offense going back to the Kill era when everyone blamed Limegrover and we probably should have been blaming Kill. Same thing here with both Sanford and Ciarrocca. Maybe this is the offense Fleck wants and the coordinator doesn't really matter that much.

I was disappointed this year. Thought the playbook would get opened up a little wider, but it was the Andrea True Connection with "Mo(re)! Mo(re)! Mo(re)!"
 

50PoundHead said:
I feel pretty much the same way. I'm starting to think about the Gopher offense going back to the Kill era when everyone blamed Limegrover and we probably should have been blaming Kill. Same thing here with both Sanford and Ciarrocca. Maybe this is the offense Fleck wants and the coordinator doesn't really matter that much.

I was disappointed this year. Thought the playbook would get opened up a little wider, but it was the Andrea True Connection with "Mo(re)! Mo(re)! Mo(re)!"
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The only thing with Sanford was that his route tree was insanely stupid. Swapping out slants for those deep ins made absolutely no sense.

I agree that Fleck has his fingerprints all over our offense (for good or bad), but Sanford is also a bad OC.
 



I won’t miss him at all. I dislike the turnover, and I’m sure PJ significantly regrets hiring him back. I don’t think he’s a high performer.
 

Would we have won the West with a better OC? No doubt here. With the signs we see from AK and the influx of wide outs there is no doubt our offense is changing in ‘23. We need the OC that adds an efficient passing game and QB development as 1 game ready QB is not enough. Not enough ever. Need 3 if you can keep them around.
 

The optics of all these coaches leaving is bad. I don’t know what was pre-arranged or communicated to/by them though.

I am not sad to see KC go. I think his upside was low and his floor was above average. Id rather have higher upside to maybe steal some wins
 

KC leverages a great 2019 into a job with Penn State then gets fired. Either scapegoated or simply not a good fit personality-wise. He then deleverages the Gophers worst year offensively since 2017 (in conference play) into a job with Rutgers. Weird stuff.

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Gophergrandpa said:
Someone on Rutgers’ board pointed out that KC, at $1.5M, is now the 3rd highest paid OC in college football. Higher paid than Alabama OC. Poster took it as a measure of Schiano’s “desperation.”
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And how would we all feel about it if Minnesota had decided to match that offer to keep him?
 

Gophergrandpa said:
Someone on Rutgers’ board pointed out that KC, at $1.5M, is now the 3rd highest paid OC in college football. Higher paid than Alabama OC. Poster took it as a measure of Schiano’s “desperation.”
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It's not like KC is too conservative when we've had superior receivers. The offense was pretty wide open in 2019. If CAB stayed healthy all season, he wouldn't be calling for Mo to pound it between the tackles 30+ times a game!
 

Goldmember said:
And how would we all feel about it if Minnesota had decided to match that offer to keep him?
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If it meant PJ wouldn’t be able to backfill with quality coaches in other openings, it would piss me off. KC has had one good year at MN and that was 2019 in an offense loaded with talent with no major injuries. Also probably before other teams started really studying his schemes because that team took everyone by surprise. Iowa and WI stopped that great offense. I don’t see KC as a top 5 coordinator, but what do I know?
 

Goldmember said:
And how would we all feel about it if Minnesota had decided to match that offer to keep him?
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Terrible. Not impressed by KC's play-calling or game plans in key toss-up games this past season. Was happy to have him back, but the magic was gone. Ok with him moving on.
 
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Every ass't coach (who hasn't moved on to HC) on the 2022 salary list you posted (nice research!) is a defensive coordinator, except for Monken (Georgia) and Lebby (Oklahoma), who are offensive coordinators. Since this list goes down to $1.5M, it is certainly possible that the Rutgers poster is right, that KC, at $1.5M (in 2023), will be the third highest paid OC in college football, behind only Monken and Lebby. Which is just nuts. Of course, some other OCs might wind up getting more pay in 2023, bringing them up to the KC range, I suppose. Still ...
 
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Goldmember said:
And how would we all feel about it if Minnesota had decided to match that offer to keep him?
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I would have wondered why but understood that is part of the deal. I am much happier we didn't. (or he chose not to listen) I like KC but if I was the coach of a P5 team I wouldn't hire him based on his resume so far.
 

Interesting thing that hasn't directly been brought up, though it has been brought up in the reverse sense (ie, from Minnesota's point of view):

if Schiano had the green light to write a new OC a $1.5M check ...... he chooses Kirk C?

Then again, maybe not a lot of talented OC's at, let's say ACC schools that don't have the $$$ to match what a Big Ten school can offer, would actually entertain coming to Rutgers? It takes two to tango.
 

I mean,

Imagine watching our play calling but with a team that doesn’t have a good o line or good running backs.

It’s like 2017 gophers every year.
 

Some guy said:
I mean,

Imagine watching our play calling but with a team that doesn’t have a good o line or good running backs.

It’s like 2017 gophers every year.
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Nor a good QB. The Rutgers QB that played here was awful.
 

Gophers_4life said:
Interesting thing that hasn't directly been brought up, though it has been brought up in the reverse sense (ie, from Minnesota's point of view):

if Schiano had the green light to write a new OC a $1.5M check ...... he chooses Kirk C?

Then again, maybe not a lot of talented OC's at, let's say ACC schools that don't have the $$$ to match what a Big Ten school can offer, would actually entertain coming to Rutgers? It takes two to tango.
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Also -- think about this one. If he had offered Rossi 1.5M to be the DC we would have HAD to match it. Bottom line -- he overpayed and he hired the wrong one!!! LOL
 

Gold Rush said:
Also -- think about this one. If he had offered Rossi 1.5M to be the DC we would have HAD to match it. Bottom line -- he overpayed and he hired the wrong one!!! LOL
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I am pretty sure schiano calls his own defense. Which is why OC is more important than DC


Fleck doesn’t call either but has his hands all over the offense and is pretty hands off the defense. So for fleck I think DC is more important.

People want to say that the Sanford offense was drastically different than the KC offense, but it really wasn’t. Because it has the continuity of fleck and other assistant coaches
 

Goldmember said:
And how would we all feel about it if Minnesota had decided to match that offer to keep him?
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I wouldn't of been happy.... But your worth what someone will pay you... Good on him for cashing in... Elsewhere
 

Goldmember said:
And how would we all feel about it if Minnesota had decided to match that offer to keep him?
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I wouldn’t have been totally upset because it meant we kept a guy they wanted to keep.
I think you could hire a better OC than KC for that money and would rather do that.

It’ll be interesting to see the money the new Oc gets.
 

Off-GridTNgopher said:
I wouldn't have been happy.... But your worth what someone will pay you... Good on him for cashing in... Elsewhere
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The football team brings in an insane amount, I’d be happy for him and ecstatic the U was treating the football team like the revenue machine that it is.
 

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