Nick Fuller has received offer from Minnesota - UPDATED 8/11: Commits to Nebraska

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It's a chicken-and-egg situation: Do you have to win to recruit, or do you have to recruit to win?

My gut tells me that the elite kids are looking for programs where they can (1) play right away, (2) win right away, (3) get lots of national TV exposure, and (4) improve their NBA draft potential.

If that's true, then the Gophs are not going to get the elite kids. The Gophs can offer playing time, but the program hasn't won lately (at least not in the NCAA tournament) and never gets featured on the big national TV games.

I really don't expect Tubby to go out and land a bunch of 4* and 5* kids - but I would happier if Tubby was at least in the conversation on some of those kids. I would be a lot happier if Tubby shook up his staff and brought in an assistant coach who was a more aggressive recruiter - but I don't see that happening.
 

When Tubby lands Jahlil,Tyus,Reid,Theo,Rashad I will go back to this thread.
 

Just remember, any kid who would play for minnesota isn't good enough to play for minnesota, or something.
 

Johnnyboy18 said:
When Tubby lands Jahlil,Tyus,Reid,Theo,Rashad I will go back to this thread.
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That would be a happy day for any Gopher fan. I for one would be ecstatic to be wrong on his recruiting. Please, please be correct Johnnyboy 18!
 

Minnesota's recruiting has been average -- at best -- over the last couple years. I believe every class should have a one unanimous 4* recruit. This way you have an anchor with solid supplemental pieces. I don't like how everyone just seems OK with consistent 3*-heavy classes. Teams win with higher-ranked players. Bottom line. The less blue chip players, the less chance you have of winning. It's not impossible to win with 3* dominated rosters, but it's much harder. More things need to go just right in order to be successful.
 


MaroonGopher said:
Minnesota's recruiting has been average -- at best -- over the last couple years. I believe every class should have a one unanimous 4* recruit.
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I think most would like that, but it's not that easy. It's not like there's a ton of "unanimous 4* recruits" out there.

I don't like how everyone just seems OK with consistent 3*-heavy classes.
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I'm pretty sure there have been plenty of people critical of the recruiting the past few years.
 

Apparently Fuller just committed to Nebraska. That sucks. Why Nebraska???
 

Gold Vision said:
Apparently Fuller just committed to Nebraska. That sucks. Why Nebraska???
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Because Tim Miles kicks serious amounts of ass as a coach and as a person, and they have a brand new practice facility and brand new arena on the way, and anyone who commits there instantly becomes one of the best players on the roster by default.
 

Gold Vision said:
Apparently Fuller just committed to Nebraska. That sucks. Why Nebraska???
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Tim Miles, energetic aggressive assistants, new practice facility, new arena, 6 or 7 great Saturdays in the fall when there is a Cornhusker home football game, and I would guess a little bit of "if I can't play for the Badgers, I will play anywhere except Minnesota"
 



Minnesconsin fan said:
Tim Miles, energetic aggressive assistants, new practice facility, new arena, 6 or 7 great Saturdays in the fall when there is a Cornhusker home football game, and I would guess a little bit of "if I can't play for the Badgers, I will play anywhere except Minnesota"
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And a terrible basketball team that no one pays attention to.
 

According to a tweet from Benjamin Worgull, Fuller has committed to Nebraska.
 


Minnesconsin fan said:
Tim Miles, energetic aggressive assistants, new practice facility, new arena, 6 or 7 great Saturdays in the fall when there is a Cornhusker home football game, and I would guess a little bit of "if I can't play for the Badgers, I will play anywhere except Minnesota"
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Expect to see Tubby and Tim Miles go head to head for many of the same recruits for many years to come, they already are. Tim Miles also has no problem heavily pursuing the AAU circuits and is a guy that tweets and uses social media relentlessly which the young kids like.
 



I have been around Tim Miles in the past the article on him at espn.com last week was impressive. He is going to take Nebraska to levels they have never reached before. They are spending the money and he has all the qualities kids look for in a coach. It might be slow to start but he will build a good program. Its another very important reason why the Gophers need to win big this season.
 

I read that Fuller was on an unofficial visit to Nebraska yesterday and today - I'm sure he was impressed by the facilities. He was already scheduled for an official visit to Nebraska for their football game for Southern Miss, but must've decided to get the ball rolling for Miles in the 2013 class. No question Nebraska is state-of-the-art in basketball facilities, and that has to have made an impact. Did he even visit Minnesota?
 

No question. Fuller committed to Nebraska because of practice facilities. It was between them and Northern State which just built a new weight room. Expect a tweet from the young man soon regarding the nice showers they have in their new facility and how difficult it would have been to turn down.
 

Biglew33 said:
No question. Fuller committed to Nebraska because of practice facilities. It was between them and Northern State which just built a new weight room. Expect a tweet from the young man soon regarding the nice showers they have in their new facility and how difficult it would have been to turn down.
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New Arena too. But yea that does not matter at all right?
 

Biglew33 said:
No question. Fuller committed to Nebraska because of practice facilities. It was between them and Northern State which just built a new weight room. Expect a tweet from the young man soon regarding the nice showers they have in their new facility and how difficult it would have been to turn down.
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Be careful on this comment. Nice showers are something to put one over the top.
 

Matters little compared to who is recruiting you. Kids arent dumb, they know shiny stuff matters very little. They want a coaching staff they trust and believe in.
 

Biglew33 said:
Matters little compared to who is recruiting you. Kids arent dumb, they know shiny stuff matters very little. They want a coaching staff they trust and believe in.
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You're extremely ill-informed if you think facilities don't play an important role.
 


No question Nebraska has some momentum going for them, as Miles has started stockpiling players for not this season but next season. He has got two transfers from BCS schools coming in (eligible for the 2013-14 season), a couple commits in the 2013 class, and he is even asking his top incoming JC player (from the same HS as top-100 recruit Akoy Agau) to redshirt - he also released 3 JC players that Sadler signed from their scholarships after he got the job in order to free up space to get his guys in there. By my count they have 3 scholarship openings for the 2013 class remaining. Apparently the gameplan is to tank this upcoming season and be competitive in 2013-14 when the new arena opens up. But you'd be kidding yourself if you don't think the facilities were a significant factor in luring players and even Coach Miles to Lincoln. Coaches are important, probably the most important factor in recruiting, but the facilities are a big factor as well and clearly they have helped Nebraska build momentum in recruiting.
 

OSUfan said:
No question Nebraska has some momentum going for them, as Miles has started stockpiling players for not this season but next season. He has got two transfers from BCS schools coming in (eligible for the 2013-14 season), a couple commits in the 2013 class, and he is even asking his top incoming JC player (from the same HS as top-100 recruit Akoy Agau) to redshirt - he also released 3 JC players that Sadler signed from their scholarships after he got the job in order to free up space to get his guys in there. By my count they have 3 scholarship openings for the 2013 class remaining. Apparently the gameplan is to tank this upcoming season and be competitive in 2013-14 when the new arena opens up. But you'd be kidding yourself if you don't think the facilities were a significant factor in luring players and even Coach Miles to Lincoln. Coaches are important, probably the most important factor in recruiting, but the facilities are a big factor as well and clearly they have helped Nebraska build momentum in recruiting.
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He just got another commit today as well, Nathan Hawkins a PG from Texas
 

OSUfan said:
No question Nebraska has some momentum going for them, as Miles has started stockpiling players for not this season but next season. He has got two transfers from BCS schools coming in (eligible for the 2013-14 season), a couple commits in the 2013 class, and he is even asking his top incoming JC player (from the same HS as top-100 recruit Akoy Agau) to redshirt - he also released 3 JC players that Sadler signed from their scholarships after he got the job in order to free up space to get his guys in there. By my count they have 3 scholarship openings for the 2013 class remaining. Apparently the gameplan is to tank this upcoming season and be competitive in 2013-14 when the new arena opens up. But you'd be kidding yourself if you don't think the facilities were a significant factor in luring players and even Coach Miles to Lincoln. Coaches are important, probably the most important factor in recruiting, but the facilities are a big factor as well and clearly they have helped Nebraska build momentum in recruiting.
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Well laid out. However, you have to ask yourself. "does doc turn that program with those facilities?". Probably not. Take it a step further "who leverages those facilities better Tubby Smith and his staff or Tim Miles and his?". I would go with Miles and his staff. Hence, coaches most important. Facilities are complimentary.
 



Biglew33 said:
Well laid out. However, you have to ask yourself. "does doc turn that program with those facilities?". Probably not. Take it a step further "who leverages those facilities better Tubby Smith and his staff or Tim Miles and his?". I would go with Miles and his staff. Hence, coaches most important. Facilities are complimentary.
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Good lord, could you at least wait for the season to start before you start your bashing? Here they come, all these posts for a 3-star recruit. If Tubby got him, it would have been the other way around (he is a poor recruiter.....).

Go Gophers
 

Good, a mid major type player. I said that before he committed. Might have received the same offer we gave Shelby Moats ,Chad Calcaterra, and Estan Tyler.
 

Did anyone really want Nick Fuller? He doesn't seem like a ball handler or defender at the 2/3 and is not a Hoffarber type shooter (per UWole previous post), so I am not sure where he would have fit for the Gophers. He seems like a prototypical Bo Ryan bench guy (solid in a lot of areas, standout in none), but Bo Ryan didn't offer him. I agree that it is alarming that Tubby might have lost out on a kid to Nebraska, but I would rather have another scholarship open for the 2014 class than take Nick Fuller who the Gophers watched a ton before deciding to offer.
 

EG#9 said:
Did anyone really want Nick Fuller? He doesn't seem like a ball handler or defender at the 2/3 and is not a Hoffarber type shooter (per UWole previous post), so I am not sure where he would have fit for the Gophers. He seems like a prototypical Bo Ryan bench guy (solid in a lot of areas, standout in none), but Bo Ryan didn't offer him. I agree that it is alarming that Tubby might have lost out on a kid to Nebraska, but I would rather have another scholarship open for the 2014 class than take Nick Fuller who the Gophers watched a ton before deciding to offer.
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Yeah I hope we just use two scholarships on a wing and a power foward.
 

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