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also, it is going to be sacrilege to see the spread being played by the home team in south bend.
 

Hopefully now Brew can get Preston Brown to decommit from cincy. He visited out of the blue and looks like a good athletic linebacker.
 



Love 'em or not, its good for college football for Notre Dame to be relevant
on the national stage. Brian Kelly brings that to South Bend.
 

metrolax said:
Love 'em or not, its good for college football for Notre Dame to be relevant
on the national stage. Brian Kelly brings that to South Bend.
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Why? I hate Notre Dame. Not trying to be a smart arse.
 

metrolax said:
Love 'em or not, its good for college football for Notre Dame to be relevant
on the national stage. Brian Kelly brings that to South Bend.
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Brings what? I just don't get this hire.

It's well documented that Notre Dame has a great offense but they struggled on defense. It doesn't make sense that they would get rid of an offensive minded coach and replace him with an offensive guru. IMO it's a dumb hire. Kelly is a sexy name out there because he took Cincinnati to the BCS 2 times. Has anyone seen the teams in the Big East? It's pathetic.
 

LOL

Fired in 5 years! Good for him, its pay day, but in won't matter, ND will be no better. What they need is to be in a conference period.
 



gopherjay said:
Fired in 5 years! Good for him, its pay day, but in won't matter, ND will be no better. What they need is to be in a conference period.
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Why? Not arguing the point, really want to know your reasoning regarding conference.
 

my opinion

If they join a major conference, they are guaranteed bowl games via conference bowl agreements. I believe it would be easier to recruit for them. They think their ridiculous "we won't go, not good enough for us" is a show of excellence. What it really is saying is we are arrogant even though we have nothing to back it up. Kids these days are not impressed with ND and their old ways.
Their goal is to be national champions...join the club. back in the day, the club was much smaller. Its time for them to maybe have a goal of winning the conference first.
 

Brian Kelly is a great hire, the guy can coach. I only wish he would have ended up somewhere more tolerable.
 

First item of business for Kelly is to try and keep Clausen and Tate on the team. Wonder what will happen with those two.
 



I wonder how long it will take Mason to get his name in the ring at Cincy. Actually, with his Ohio connections, I think he'd probably do well there. I'll bet his agent has been on the horn to the Cincy AD.
 

Look at the last couple of Big East hires into the Big 10. Both have failed (J.L. Slapnutz @ MSU) or are failing (dickrod at SCum). Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
 

I've never understood the argument

that Notre Dame having a good football team is good for college football. Why?

I think it's better for college football when they are a trainwreck. People still watch. Maybe more.

Screw Notre Dame and their holier than thou mind set. I like Brian Kelly, but I'm not pulling for his new team.
 

Alex Daniels

I don't have respect for Cinn. because they pick up our guy we kick-off for something as bad as Daniels was involved in. Means he will do anything to win. I have family that was a victim of something just like what Daniels did. So do say "boys will be boys." or "he just needed another chance." What he needed was to go to jail! So for Kelly to sign him up knowing what he did makes me lose all respect for him. Winning is good but at what cost ... how many more guys at Cinn. had a background like Daniels?
 

Love him or hate him, it's amazing how fast Kelly moved up the ranks. I played against his Grand Valley St. team just 8 years ago.
 

Academic standards at Notre Dame will certainly be higher than they are at Cincinnati.
 

gopherjay said:
If they join a major conference, they are guaranteed bowl games via conference bowl agreements. I believe it would be easier to recruit for them. They think their ridiculous "we won't go, not good enough for us" is a show of excellence. What it really is saying is we are arrogant even though we have nothing to back it up. Kids these days are not impressed with ND and their old ways.
Their goal is to be national champions...join the club. back in the day, the club was much smaller. Its time for them to maybe have a goal of winning the conference first.
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Thank you. Nicely stated. I believe you're right about kids not being impressed with old ways and also that conference affiliation provides stability (my coverall term for some of the benefits you mentioned). Now, if you're the Irish, you have to figure out where to go while retaining major rivalry games. B10 seems most likely and workable, but obviously that's open for debate.

That said, "join the club" is something that may come hard at South Bend.
 


PlayHosea said:
Academic standards at Hopkins High are higher than they are at Cincinnati.
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No doubt. I read that the academic ranking of the Cincinnati football team is actually pretty good, but I think Bob Thuggins had one graduate during his tenure as head basketball coach there.
 


Too Long in the Wasteland said:
Look at the last couple of Big East hires into the Big 10. Both have failed (J.L. Slapnutz @ MSU) or are failing (dickrod at SCum). Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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John L. Smith came to the Big Ten from Conference USA Louisville, not Big East Louisville.

John L. Smith's MSU replacement - Mark Dantonio came from Big East Cincinnati and has done alright.

The jury is probably still out on Rich Rod, although the verdict is close to being rendered.

Hard to really draw anything from that sample size regarding Brian Kelly at Notre Dame. Personally, I think he'll have them playing strong football. He's a helluva football coach.
 

gopherjay said:
If they join a major conference, they are guaranteed bowl games via conference bowl agreements. I believe it would be easier to recruit for them. They think their ridiculous "we won't go, not good enough for us" is a show of excellence. What it really is saying is we are arrogant even though we have nothing to back it up. Kids these days are not impressed with ND and their old ways.
Their goal is to be national champions...join the club. back in the day, the club was much smaller. Its time for them to maybe have a goal of winning the conference first.
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unfortunately the data does not back up your statement. They are able and have been able to recruit at the highest levels, so apparently kids are impressed by it. They also do not have difficulty getting selected for bowls either because of the national draw and fan support they receive, so much so that they can also play neutral site games during the season with huge turnout.
 

Kelly is the biggest lowlife in the nation for leaving those kids in the dust for their bowl game. I would love to play Notre Dame beat the tar out of that POS institution.
 

Handsome Pete said:
Kelly is the biggest lowlife in the nation for leaving those kids in the dust for their bowl game. I would love to play Notre Dame beat the tar out of that POS institution.
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Agreed. I love that guys like Mardy Gilyard are pissed at him and think he is a liar. I will now root for Cincy to remain a top team to spite that D.B. Kelly.
 

mkAz said:
Academic standards at Notre Dame will certainly be higher than they are at Cincinnati.
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Bingo. It is a lot easier to build a good football team when you have minimal academic standards and you can recruit juco players. Kelly will not be able to recruit the same type of players at ND because ND has high academic standards. That is one thing that does hold ND back, just like Stanford. Also, ND does not allow juco transfers, which creates another recruiting hurdle.

Kelly is the hot name right now, but ND is a lot different situation than cincy. I would not be surprised if he does not have nearly the same success at ND that he had at cincy.
 

While I agree that the timing sucks, I cannot blame Brian Kelly for bolting. This is a dream situation for him and his family. Being the head coach for Notre Dame is big. The upside is huge. He goes undefeated at Cincinnati and gets to play in the Sugar Bowl, but not a national title. He goes unbeaten at Notre Dame and he's playing for all the marbles. Plus, I'm sure he is getting a large raise.

This is a guy who six years ago was coaching the equivalent of UM-Duluth. Heck, five years ago he was leading Central Michigan to a 4-7 record. And, now Notre Dame calls??? Seriously? I mean you would have had to have gotten a million-to-one odds in 2003 that the coach at Division II Grand Valley State would get offered the ND job in 2009. How can you blame the guy when the largest name brand in all of college football offers you a job? Again, the timing sucks, but he has to take that job, IMHO.

Think about it in terms of your own job or profession. If you are successful, but someone came along and offered you a better job (ND certainly is that), for probably double the pay (making you a millionaire several times over), have a better chance for professional achievement, at a place that is the most well known namebrand in your profession while you are only six years removed from being a complete non-factor in that profession? You have to take it no matter how crappy the timing is.
 

GO4INLALALAND said:
Bingo. It is a lot easier to build a good football team when you have minimal academic standards and you can recruit juco players. Kelly will not be able to recruit the same type of players at ND because ND has high academic standards. That is one thing that does hold ND back, just like Stanford. Also, ND does not allow juco transfers, which creates another recruiting hurdle.

Kelly is the hot name right now, but ND is a lot different situation than cincy. I would not be surprised if he does not have nearly the same success at ND that he had at cincy.
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Have you seen the recruiting classes that Weis brought in but couldn't coach. Recruiting has not been and will not be a problem at ND.
 

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