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So, whether it is right or wrong, it is certainly in the realm of possibility that Brew is retained at the end of the year for a variety of reasons that have already been discussed here.

This season's biggest failing, by far, has been the defense. The new thing that really stood out to me the past weekend was the DB's and LB's inability to shed blockers to make a play. This may have been an issue all year, but this was the first game where I was really paying attention to that.

It is also not that far a stretch to believe that we could be 4-1 (possibly better?) if the D had played as well as many anticipated.

So, let's play the game that Brew is somehow retained (please, let's not go down that road yet again, we know how you feel about Brew).

Are we going to see yet another new coordinator on the staff? I'm starting to fall into the camp and agree with all the people I know in Omaha and Lincoln that told me we would rue the day that Cosgrove darkened our doorway.

Does Ronnie Lee get promoted? Do we look outside? How can the program handle the PR battle if this exercise became fact?
 

If the problem is people not shedding blockers, to me that isn't a DC issue as much as a position coach issue. I don't think that Brew can survive more coordianator shake-ups.
 

There are those that don't want Maturi to pick the next coach, but the only way that happens if Brewster stays on for at least another year. But if we don't have a new President until summer, and no new AD until sometime next year, there may not be enough time for a new AD to be appointed, get settled in and pick a new coach by the end of the 2011 season, which could mean Brewster here until 2012.
 

No.

He had his chance to get a solid defensive coordinator when Roof left for Auburn. Instead he hired his buddy Kevin whose resume wasn't terribly impressive.

I'm not sure I've ever heard of a coach having as much staff turnover as Brewster. This is the biggest red flag I have of him beyond that atrocious losses to Dakota schools.

Any coach that even sniffs success on his staff quickly moves on for greener pastures. Obviously a sign that they have a lot of trust in their employer.
 

ruralgopher said:
If the problem is people not shedding blockers, to me that isn't a DC issue as much as a position coach issue. I don't think that Brew can survive more coordianator shake-ups.
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That was just one topic of discussion. The issues on D are many and varied. With that being said, and with Ronnie Lee as the Co-D Coordinator, that would make me think that he does not get promoted and they look outside. An inside hire, with Cosgrove stepping down (tired, very trying time for his family, which would be very understandable) would be an easier sell than going outside and replacing a lot of people. Unfortunately, I don't think an "easy sell" is what this team ultimately needs.
 


Well, there is always the angle that Cosgrove may leave the position (step down, be asked to step down) if Connor's leukemia does not respond to treatment. I don't wish that on anyone, but it is something to store in the back of your mind.
 

This is what happens when you hire someone with Cosgroves reputation...

Brewster made his own bed & it's too much to get rid of yet another coordinator...
 

NateDawgUM said:
Any coach that even sniffs success on his staff quickly moves on for greener pastures. Obviously a sign that they have a lot of trust in their employer.
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This to me is both a positive and a negative.

It shows he has an eye for coaching talent, that he can see a guy's ability to coach. Im not saying they have been good coaches, but to be hired by other schools, sometimes better schools (UNC for example, which is currently a better program than ours), shows they are in demand. They wouldn't be in demand if other coach's didn't want them, which would mean they were not good enough to be persuaded by other programs.

But, which I think is a HUGE problem sign for Brewster and Maturi, is that these coaches are all jumping ship so fast. this to me shows brewster and maturi are unable to keep them. maybe its a money issue or just the fact that we are Minnesota and don't compare to Auburn for example (roof). I liked the promotion given to Ronnie Lee to keep him around, I heard he had several other offers. No program, especially us, can win with rotating coaches. I think the biggest reason for weber's digression has been a new system and coach each year.

So, like everything else with Our Whole MN Football Operation and Team, they need some clarity and stability at the top.
 

Changing D coordinators is preposterous. That's the last thing these young players need, is to learn yet another new defensive scheme. No, what this D needs is not to start over again from scratch, it just needs experience. The National magazine's were right & Gopher fans were wrong. Starting from 9-11 new players on D has caused a lot of growing pains. I saw some progress this past week against NW. I'd like to see us keep getting incrementally better as the season goes on.
 



What exactly do people expect from a defense that returns just 30.94% of its tackles (least in the nation), 1 starter (least in the nation), and 3 players from the 06/07 recruiting classes?
 

I don't know that much about Lee, but if he is at all qualified I would like to see him be the DC if Cosgrove was gone.

I have never understood having Co-Coordinators. Who's in charge?
 

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station19 said:
I don't know that much about Lee, but if he is at all qualified I would like to see him be the DC if Cosgrove was gone.

I have never understood having Co-Coordinators. Who's in charge?
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is it like 2 QB's mean you don't have a QB...Co-Coordinator means no Coordinator?:confused:
 

station19 said:
I don't know that much about Lee, but if he is at all qualified I would like to see him be the DC if Cosgrove was gone.

I have never understood having Co-Coordinators. Who's in charge?
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Cosgrove is the highest paid assistant on the team and the one who handles all questions and is responsible for calling the majority of the defenses. I always wondered if the co-coordinator thing was merely created to make it seem as if Cosgrove would not have free reign and to try and calm the fans from going ballistic when he was brought in because of all the bad press that surrounded him.
 



Plinnius said:
What exactly do people expect from a defense that returns just 30.94% of its tackles (least in the nation), 1 starter (least in the nation), and 3 players from the 06/07 recruiting classes?
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Well, statistically speaking. A Defense that averages between 90 - 100% success in tackling.
 

Funny how some think Cosgrove is now the problem yet wasn't last year. I wonder if it may because he had much better and more experienced/developed players to work with in 09. And could it be that this highly touted bunch are really not that talented? I am beginning to think more of the latter.

I thought the 09 D was average at best and there were games when that showed. How many 3rd and longs can one team give up? And we had no answer to Wisky's ground game in the second half and the Illini 2nd team QB.

Cosgrove is not a magician and, like most CFB coaches, can only do so much with what he has to
work with, which this year is lacking in many ways.
 

Cosgrove is not a magician and, like most CFB coaches, can only do so much with what he has to
work with, which this year is lacking in many ways

Bayfield- you are forgetting one thing-our talent this year is light year's of where it was last year/prev years. Get with the program already.
 


Bayfieldgopher said:
Funny how some think Cosgrove is now the problem yet wasn't last year. I wonder if it may because he had much better and more experienced/developed players to work with in 09. And could it be that this highly touted bunch are really not that talented? I am beginning to think more of the latter.

I thought the 09 D was average at best and there were games when that showed. How many 3rd and longs can one team give up? And we had no answer to Wisky's ground game in the second half and the Illini 2nd team QB.

Cosgrove is not a magician and, like most CFB coaches, can only do so much with what he has to
work with, which this year is lacking in many ways.[/QUOTE]


He has also shown the ability to fall flat on his face while working with multiple players now starting in the NFL as well as one of the best college football players in the last 25 years. Lack of talent isn't always the issue.
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Plinnius said:
What exactly do people expect from a defense that returns just 30.94% of its tackles (least in the nation), 1 starter (least in the nation), and 3 players from the 06/07 recruiting classes?
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+1
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
Changing D coordinators is preposterous. That's the last thing these young players need, is to learn yet another new defensive scheme. No, what this D needs is not to start over again from scratch, it just needs experience. The National magazine's were right & Gopher fans were wrong. Starting from 9-11 new players on D has caused a lot of growing pains. I saw some progress this past week against NW. I'd like to see us keep getting incrementally better as the season goes on.
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Bingo
 

station19 said:
I don't know that much about Lee, but if he is at all qualified I would like to see him be the DC if Cosgrove was gone.

I have never understood having Co-Coordinators. Who's in charge?
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The Co-coordinator thing is just a pay-grade issue. They had to get Lee more money to keep him around, and he had to be graded as a coordinator in order to get him more money. Cosgrove is the D-coordinator.
 

We may need a new coordinator or new position coaches and we probably will when Brewster is let go. Too bad the situation with Roof did not work better.
 

Where are fellow 'Holers getting the idea that there has been a HUGE and continuous change in staff? Yes, the coordinators have been a revolving door, but the position coaches have been stable. I can only think of 2 changes, the o-line and receiver coaches. Even the strength coach has been here since the beginning. Now, there might be a couple others, but over 4 years, teams will tend to lose position coaches as they move up the coaching ranks. If you're talking about support staff, that has built in turnover because they are paid so little and it's their goal to get to at least a position coach if they're going to stay in the business.
 

NateDawgUM said:
No.

He had his chance to get a solid defensive coordinator when Roof left for Auburn. Instead he hired his buddy Kevin whose resume wasn't terribly impressive.

I'm not sure I've ever heard of a coach having as much staff turnover as Brewster. This is the biggest red flag I have of him beyond that atrocious losses to Dakota schools.

Any coach that even sniffs success on his staff quickly moves on for greener pastures. Obviously a sign that they have a lot of trust in their employer.
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That last statement seems like pure speculation. Everett Withers (first off didn't have much success here, but he is a good coach), took a better job. He got more money, in a better recruiting area, at a better job in his homestate.

Ted Roof also got paid more money at a much better program in a state with much better recruiting.

Those were both upgrades. I think maybe there might have been a little more going on than simply a distrust of Brewster.
 

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