New arena - just look at the Longhorns’ new Moody center

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Why, the only negatives I see are 1) obstructed seats - don't sell them 2) concessions from upper deck.

Cheap seats behind the basket in the upper deck, worst seats in the arena are not bad, sat there for the Indiana game in 2013, my most enjoyable game ever, it's the product that makes the experience and 90% of the seats in the barn are close enough that you are intimately involved.
 




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Why, the only negatives I see are 1) obstructed seats - don't sell them 2) concessions from upper deck.

Cheap seats behind the basket in the upper deck, worst seats in the arena are not bad, sat there for the Indiana game in 2013, my most enjoyable game ever, it's the product that makes the experience and 90% of the seats in the barn are close enough that you are intimately involved.
Worst part of a new arena is the likelihood that large numbers of seats are further away than they are now.
 


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It would all likely need to come down, including the pavillion. This would force volleyball, wrestling, gymnastics, basketball M/W. all to one arena.

I think a new arena is warranted after 100 years, but I don't see it as being on the radar of the State.
 

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WillTschetter committed long before Ben was our coach. The only guys on that list that I wish we had are Holloman and Chatman. Including guys DJ Jefferson, Chol, Elvis, Blue, Lee and Moss is pretty disingenuous on your part. JOJ was also a more productive player than Watson in AAU
The list was made up of 247sports.com MN state rankings class of 21, 22, 23 players
 

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Perhaps a lot of options but also a lot of coaches mailing it in at the end of their careers. Piles of cash doesn’t equate to successful coaches.
100% true
I didn’t say we should throw money at a bad coach did I?
 

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Pretty sure we would still lose if our coach/athletics director are not good at their job. You think the team locker room is as outdated as the barn? The lack of energy in the building is due to a consistent lack of winning. A new arena is nothing more than a band aid on this problem. Let's finish in the top 3 of the conference for consecutive years and see what the energy looks like after that. A new arena would not have helped us defeat Depaul on Monday. Players go to play for winning teams and winning coaches. The internet did not change this fact. It almost sounds like you doubt Ben Johnson's ability to win and that only a new arena can save this program? People are ecstatic about the signing of Evans and rightfully so. Did he sign here because we promised him he would be playing in a new arena?
Whats your problem buddy? Target Field is so full all of the time
 




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So you're just going to be play dumb now?
How do you want to hear it? Johnson was pitched as he would shut down and lock in the top players within the state...and he hasn't done that. Does his hire in your mind grant him a 10 year window to start building relationships with kids when they are in 5th grade or younger so we can't have the excuses that we lost kids to other schools because they had longer relationships...

If you look at that list, and it is a list of MN kids any way you slice it, we have only got a few. Chet committed almost two months after Ben was hired at the U. There were comments in response to this (forgot who commented that kids went after NIL money instead)...you know what...who cares. NIL money is part of NCAA sports now. Ben will have to compete with NIL forever, get with the program. Maybe if he is such a good recruiter, he can recruit some of the large fortune 500 companies that are based in the Twin Cities to offer NIL deals to these kids (these so called recruits who left elsewhere due to NIL money *per the comments*). recruiting is recruiting.
 

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Whats your problem buddy? Target Field is so full all of the time
Historical average game attendance at metrodome = 22,211
Historical average at Target Field 28,298

Last 10 years of Metrodome average = 24,531
First 10 years (target field only open 10 years) = 28,298

Target Field first 5 years average = 35,944

So, yes...Target Field generated and continues to generate an increased average fan attendance per game. The thing that hurts the Twins in these averages is that in 2020 (no fans due to Covid) and 2021 had limited fans due to continued covid policies).
 

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How do you want to hear it? Johnson was pitched as he would shut down and lock in the top players within the state...and he hasn't done that. Does his hire in your mind grant him a 10 year window to start building relationships with kids when they are in 5th grade or younger so we can't have the excuses that we lost kids to other schools because they had longer relationships...

If you look at that list, and it is a list of MN kids any way you slice it, we have only got a few. Chet committed almost two months after Ben was hired at the U. There were comments in response to this (forgot who commented that kids went after NIL money instead)...you know what...who cares. NIL money is part of NCAA sports now. Ben will have to compete with NIL forever, get with the program. Maybe if he is such a good recruiter, he can recruit some of the large fortune 500 companies that are based in the Twin Cities to offer NIL deals to these kids (these so called recruits who left elsewhere due to NIL money *per the comments*). recruiting is recruiting.
We can when the coach is in year fucking two of the job and no Ben doesn't get 10 years or whatever prposterous number you throw out there, but he's also not going to be on the hot seat until after year three if things don't improve. It's dumb because you post it without any context. this isn't football you can't recruit 25 guys a year. Chet was a silent verbal to Gonzaga for over a year. We didn't offer the majority of those players. The one's we legit lost out on were Winter, Chatman and Tre. Heide doesn't get any run at Purdue, King has barely played at Iowa State, Watson like JOJ has been up and down for the Clones as well.
 



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It would all likely need to come down, including the pavillion. This would force volleyball, wrestling, gymnastics, basketball M/W. all to one arena.

I think a new arena is warranted after 100 years, but I don't see it as being on the radar of the State.
The Pav is "right sized" for volleyball and those others (except basketball). And vball just built a new multi-million dollar facility into the wall (between it and Williams). Don't see any reasonable way they can tear that down.

Also, the college facilities that I've seen that have a single arena for both hockey and basketball, unless they build it like the major NBA+NHL arenas, the sight lines and floor overall look terrible for basketball.

So, I really think you just knock down Williams and build a new 9-10k basketball arena. Just the lower bowl, with a ring of suites around the top, like the pics I posted above, would be great.
 

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So actually, if you look at those pics of the new Moody's ... it looks like the sight lines are designed for basketball but it can accommodate a hockey rink, by having the seats raised.

What the translates into, however, is when the puck/player(s) go to the board that's nearest you ... they'll disappear. You won't be able to see anything until they emerge from that "shadow".


Point is simply that, you can't combine a new bball arena and Mariucci, unless you sacrifice the sight lines of one sport or the other.
 

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Historical average game attendance at metrodome = 22,211
Historical average at Target Field 28,298

Last 10 years of Metrodome average = 24,531
First 10 years (target field only open 10 years) = 28,298

Target Field first 5 years average = 35,944

So, yes...Target Field generated and continues to generate an increased average fan attendance per game. The thing that hurts the Twins in these averages is that in 2020 (no fans due to Covid) and 2021 had limited fans due to continued covid policies).
This is a terrible comp for a variety of reasons.
 


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What % of posters in here would donate to the U so they can build a new arena?
Moody Center was paid for with private funding. A lot of it was groups like Live Nation and the Oak View Group (which is essentially just PE focused on live events). It was designed as a large music venue that also does basketball.

I'm not sure if something like that would be possible here, but maybe.
 

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This is a terrible comp for a variety of reasons.
One of them is that the excitement with a new outdoor baseball venue was (Target Field) the proverbial orange while indoor baseball at the Metrodome as more like an apple.

Even just look at the fact that it's new, it drives interest. The Timberwolves set the single season NBA record for attendance in 1989 in the Metrodome.

So yes, Target Field was brand new and created a massive jump in attendance, to compare that with a 30 year run at the Metrodome, especially for baseball, isn't really the same.
 

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Moody Center was paid for with private funding. A lot of it was groups like Live Nation and the Oak View Group (which is essentially just PE focused on live events). It was designed as a large music venue that also does basketball.

I'm not sure if something like that would be possible here, but maybe.
I forgot one big part, Matthew McConaughey owns a portion of it (as an investment not a donation).
 

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I didn't even realize it was that big! I must be thinking of the Pav.

Hmmm.

Does the U of Minn really need 3 arenas? With capacities of 6k, 10k, and 9-10k?
Four if you count Ridder.

It's been mentioned about using Mariucci for basketball. I found one instance of this. Looks like it was used for the Girls State Tournament at one time. Extremely odd looking setup - I don't think this would work well at all. They borrowed the court from the Xcel center.

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Historical average game attendance at metrodome = 22,211
Historical average at Target Field 28,298

Last 10 years of Metrodome average = 24,531
First 10 years (target field only open 10 years) = 28,298

Target Field first 5 years average = 35,944

So, yes...Target Field generated and continues to generate an increased average fan attendance per game. The thing that hurts the Twins in these averages is that in 2020 (no fans due to Covid) and 2021 had limited fans due to continued covid policies).
The point of Target Field isn't to generate more attendance. It's much smaller than the Dome. It's to generate increased revenue per attendee, which it does.
 

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Historical average game attendance at metrodome = 22,211
Historical average at Target Field 28,298

Last 10 years of Metrodome average = 24,531
First 10 years (target field only open 10 years) = 28,298

Target Field first 5 years average = 35,944

So, yes...Target Field generated and continues to generate an increased average fan attendance per game. The thing that hurts the Twins in these averages is that in 2020 (no fans due to Covid) and 2021 had limited fans due to continued covid policies).
Has MPLS returned?
 

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Four if you count Ridder.

It's been mentioned about using Mariucci for basketball. I found one instance of this. Looks like it was used for the Girls State Tournament at one time. Extremely odd looking setup - I don't think this would work well at all. They borrowed the court from the Xcel center.

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Awful. Basketball loses in the multi-purpose venues.
 


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Moody Center was paid for with private funding. A lot of it was groups like Live Nation and the Oak View Group (which is essentially just PE focused on live events). It was designed as a large music venue that also does basketball.

I'm not sure if something like that would be possible here, but maybe.
The issue is there isn’t a need for another 16,000 person venue for music in Minneapolis. There are several already.
 

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I forgot one big part, Matthew McConaughey owns a portion of it (as an investment not a donation).

Four if you count Ridder.

It's been mentioned about using Mariucci for basketball. I found one instance of this. Looks like it was used for the Girls State Tournament at one time. Extremely odd looking setup - I don't think this would work well at all. They borrowed the court from the Xcel center.

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I suggested it as a temporary house while they retrofit (but hopefully buildout a new arena) -
 



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Four if you count Ridder.

It's been mentioned about using Mariucci for basketball. I found one instance of this. Looks like it was used for the Girls State Tournament at one time. Extremely odd looking setup - I don't think this would work well at all. They borrowed the court from the Xcel center.

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It could make do for a season or two if Williams arena is not available due to either a replacement/remodel. Could cobble a schedule using various venues. Mariucci for most non-conference games and even some Big 10, while using some combination of Target Center, Xcel or even the Zygi Dome.
 




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