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Im going and am going to buy Royce a "Stoli Apple in Soda" if laptop was a Apple.

If not, I guess it will have to be a "Stoli and Lemon" for the sour taste he left in my mouth.

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I dunno, let's ask William Hung.
 

This reminds me of a famous quote from Back to the Future,

"Hello McFly, anyone home?"

For continually being told how bright Royce is, I get the feeling there's not a lot going on up there.

He certainly isn't doing things that lead you to believe he ever wants to play for the Gophers. This has all the makings of an ego run amok. I seriously hope the young man figures things out before he suffers a crash landing.
 

tjgopher said:
You really think the NCAA would allow Royce White to earn $4k from a party that a bar is sponsoring by using his name and image in promotional literature? I say no way that is legal by NCAA standards.
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First lets remember Royce is NOT ENROLLED. Also remember that we have no idea if he's profiting from this. Now even assuming he was enrolled:

Is it against NCAA rules for a player to make money? No
Is it against NCAA rules for a player to use his name to make money? No
If Devoe Joseph decided to throw a party he could do so and it happens all the time.
Either way since Royce is not enrolled and this has nothing to do with basketball there shouldn't be an issue. Now if he went and played in a game for money or something like that it would be an issue but not this
 


I'd like to hear from someone with a high level of knowledge about NCAA compliance issues about this. I don't think that whether or not he is enrolled would be relevant. A player can't get paid a big stack of cash in high school before he is enrolled and still be eligible. I would guess that the major issue is whether the NCAA would view this as Royce trading on his basketball "fame". I'm not sure what else Royce would be trading on as basketball would seem to be the reason he is well known. From my perspective it just doesn't seem like a good idea for someone who is reportedly interested in playing for the U.
 

oleboy41 said:
First lets remember Royce is NOT ENROLLED.
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Royce may not be enrolled, but if he plans to play college athletics, he must remain in compliance with NCAA rules regarding amateurism whether he's enrolled or not. Once he is no longer an NCAA amateur, he is done as a college player.

oleboy41 said:
Is it against NCAA rules for a player to use his name to make money? No.
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You may want to call the folks at the NCAA to let them know that you've thrown out their highly important Bylaw 12, which roughly states that a player cannot make money by appearing at a "for-profit" event, nor can he/she use his/her name, likeness, reputation, or image to make money. In fact, just making money on a regular job is highly regulated.



Again, I don't know anything about this party. It may well not be an NCAA violation (probably isn't). My point is, if you're trying to get back into the good graces of the school and coaching staff, the idea of a "Mega Bash" is not the way to go about it. His priority level of throwing a bash is higher than how he's perceived by the school and the coaches, apparently. No one is saying he shouldn't throw a party for his b-day. Just low key it. No need to make fancy brochures that come close to infringing on NCAA rules, etc. Especially when your leash is already short and getting shorter.
 

I'm thinking tj is right on this one. Mark Titus of OSU could not profit from his blog clubtrillion.com in anyway while he was a member of their basketball team. He was forced to donate all the profits made from "club tril" shirts he sold through the website to a local charity. Now that bball season is over he is able to sell the shirts for his own profit. I believe this is a incredibly stupid rule, but it is a rule no less. Royce appears to be profiting from his "likeness" just like Titus was banned from doing.
 

To me, it just makes him seem like he thinks way to highly of himself. That is not a kinda of guy who usually is a good teammate. Those kind of people usually come in thinking they are above the team. This is not the kind of character I would want on my team.
 



ChemEGopher said:
I believe this is a incredibly stupid rule, but it is a rule no less.
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The reason the rule is in place is clear. If not in place, it opens a monster Pandora's box.

Just an example....if it was okay to do this, then what's to stop big money schools from allowing all of their athletes to create websites? How many shirts would TX's Colt McCoy have sold? One big booster might purchase 20,000 shirts! How about Mark Ingram at Alabama? He could sell bumper stickers. Those SEC backers would pay big bucks.

In other words, it would be a "back door" way to cheat, literally. Lane Kiffin's new pitch -- "hey, big stud high school QB - come to USC and we'll set you up a faux webpage and our boosters will buy enough visors to get you $500,000."
 

Do you think his bi%ches will make fun of his "Binky?"

This party is a huge neon sign screaming "I AM ROYCE WHITE AND I AM INSECURE!!!"
 

The thing that keeps coming back to me is the fact that at this time, he has no affiliation with the University of Minnesota or its athletic department. I don't think that the NCAA can regulate what a kid with no affiliation can and cannot do. I'm not an expert in NCAA eligibility, but I can't see how they could tell a former student athlete who may or may not re-enroll how he can make money. Never is there mention of the University of Minnesota or even basketball.

This is a very unique situation, and I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA might not have an immediate straight answer as to whether this effects his eligibility (assuming he is getting paid) or not.
 

RunGopherRun said:
The thing that keeps coming back to me is the fact that at this time, he has no affiliation with the University of Minnesota or its athletic department. I don't think that the NCAA can regulate what a kid with no affiliation can and cannot do. I'm not an expert in NCAA eligibility, but I can't see how they could tell a former student athlete who may or may not re-enroll how he can make money. Never is there mention of the University of Minnesota or even basketball.

This is a very unique situation, and I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA might not have an immediate straight answer as to whether this effects his eligibility (assuming he is getting paid) or not.
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If he's using his name to make money, then he may well have given up his NCAA amateur status, whether he's enrolled or not. Doesn't matter. If he ever plans to come back, he has to remain an amateur whether he's enrolled or not. The NCAA cannot regulate what anyone does or doesn't do. But, the NCAA certainly can tell a kid he is not eligible to re-enroll and play NCAA athletics if he's blown his amateur status. There are exceptions to this and sometimes you can re-claim your amateur status.

As an example, let's John Wall drops out of school tomorrow and then decides to throw a party and Kentucky people pay him $1 million to appear at the party. Do you think the NCAA would then allow him to re-enroll and play? Of course not.

Again, I'm saying this with no idea of whether Royce's party would classify as any violation at all. He may not be making money off of it (probably isn't). But, if the bar is making money off of him, then that could be construed as a technical violation, too, as it appears the bar is using Royce's likeness in promoting the party.

I'm just suggesting if his intent is to play for the Gophers, then this highly publicized party isn't helping his status with the school and coaching staff. That's all.
 



Sure, at this time they cannot regulate it and Royce White can do whatever he wants to. However, if he attempts to play college basketball again the NCAA can absolutely punish him for something he has done while unaffiliated with a school. If someone was paying a high school player while unaffiliated with a school do you think that the NCAA would rule him an eligible player?
 

I hope this man never plays a second for the Gophers.
 

If it isn't related to basketball does it really affect his amatuer status? Lil Romeo was certainly making plenty of money before he enrolled at USC to play basketball.
 

That picture should really end the "will he, won't he?" debate. I can't believe I'm saying it, but I agree with what Art Vandelay posted on the other forum. He quit, he's done, and the guy is a knucklehead if he actually does want to return to the team.

Isn't it sad to know that we ultimately took a scholarship from a guy like Travis Busch or Kevin Payton so that Royce White could have 1.5 semesters of school paid for? I'm fuming right now thinking about it.
 

Why does a party with his name on it make him a knucklehead/insecure/cocky/etc? I went to school in Chicago and saw stuff like this all the time. I had a friend who threw birthday parties for himself every year and advertised them. He was a good, normal guy. Truth is dude probably has a ton of friends/acquaintances and can pull off a party for his birthday. I have 0 problem with it. Just because he wants to return to the team doesn't mean he can't do what he wants with the rest of his life. If he's not doing anything illegal then how does this make him a bad person? Royce has been going through a lot of drama (some may argue he brought it on himself) but I see nothing wrong with this situation
 

GophersOnTheRise said:
If it isn't related to basketball does it really affect his amatuer status?
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Yes. Simply using your name for the purpose of profit can impact your amateur status. Again, I'm not sure if this does, but why even take the risk when you're trying to get back into the good graces?
 

oleboy41 said:
Royce has been going through a lot of drama
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All the more reason to lay low.

Look, if he was for sure done with Gopher hoops, then fine, make some fancy brochures and throw yourself a big old party. But, if you're potentially hoping to return to the team and play for Tubby Smith after already blowing it more than once, then maybe show some humility. Stay out of the limelight for a little while. On the surface, this party may be fine. But, given the exact drama you speak of, it is a big over the top at a time when he's supposed to be showing the coaching staff he's ready to come back and be part of a team environment.
 

tjgopher said:
Yes. Simply using your name for the purpose of profit can impact your amateur status. Again, I'm not sure if this does, but why even take the risk when you're trying to get back into the good graces?
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I'm not arguing with you, I'm just trying to understand, but couldn't you say Percy Miller (Lil Romeo) used his name for the purpose of profit when he sold CDs?
 

oleboy41 said:
Why does a party with his name on it make him a knucklehead/insecure/cocky/etc? I went to school in Chicago and saw stuff like this all the time. I had a friend who threw birthday parties for himself every year and advertised them. He was a good, normal guy. Truth is dude probably has a ton of friends/acquaintances and can pull off a party for his birthday.
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In the absence of other "LOOK AT ME!! LOOK AT ME!!" actions, yes, not a problem. In the context of all his other jackass, I'm a victim, I'm scared of the UMPD, dilettante YouTube creations, this is yet another example from ol' Royce of narcissistic behavior.

Royce is as athletic as a man and as mature as a prepubescent teen.
 

Jeshurun said:
I dunno, let's ask William Hung.
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He gets $5000 per appearance to sing She Bangs and Take me out to the Ballgame...I know a few baseball teams in the Northwoods League had him a few years ago.
 

What part of a picture of a potential student-athlete hosting a drunken bash is "must see"? I thought everyone who came to this board was at least 14, but maybe not.
 

GophersOnTheRise said:
I'm not arguing with you, I'm just trying to understand, but couldn't you say Percy Miller (Lil Romeo) used his name for the purpose of profit when he sold CDs?
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Lil Romeo's was a well-established money maker long before he ever enrolled at USC. In other words, he wasn't using his name (as a college athlete) to make the money. He sold millions of CDs long before he ever played hoops. He wasn't cashing in on his basketball celebrity when he was 11 years old and selling records.

Royce White's only claim to fame is that he is a basketball player. If he now uses that image to make money, he runs the risk of being ineligible as a college player. In other words, Royce White cannot show up in a Mauer Chevrolet ad, get paid, and still be eligible. My point is that the brochure says "Aqua Nightclub Presents...Royce White" could be getting close to a violation. Have no idea if it is one for sure. No one is saying you can't make money if you're a student athlete. You most certainly can. You just can't use your celebrity, reputation, name, etc., as a way to make money. Whether this brochure crosses that line, I don't know. It doesn't do him much good to push the envelope, though.
 

tjgopher said:
Lil Romeo's was a well-established money maker long before he ever enrolled at USC. In other words, he wasn't using his name (as a college athlete) to make the money. He sold millions of CDs long before he ever played hoops. He wasn't cashing in on his basketball celebrity when he was 11 years old and selling records.

Royce White's only claim to fame is that he is a basketball player. If he now uses that image to make money, he runs the risk of being ineligible as a college player. In other words, Royce White cannot show up in a Mauer Chevrolet ad, get paid, and still be eligible. My point is that the brochure says "Aqua Nightclub Presents...Royce White" could be getting close to a violation. Have no idea if it is one for sure. No one is saying you can't make money if you're a student athlete. You most certainly can. You just can't use your celebrity, reputation, name, etc., as a way to make money. Whether this brochure crosses that line, I don't know. It doesn't do him much good to push the envelope, though.
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You are talking out of your ass, he just put out a song a few days ago.
 

Brew_recruit said:
You are talking out of your ass, he just put out a song a few days ago.
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Who just put out a record? Lil Romeo?? Ok. So, what? That doesn't change the fact that he was a musician long before basketball player. I said he sold most of his records before he ever stepped foot on the court. He was pre-established, so to speak.

Royce, on the other hand, not famous for music.

That's the point.
 

I think he was talking about Romeo, who's part of the hip hop group College Boys, but he was first a famous musician, and gained his stardom that way. Had he been a basketball star who used his fame to sell songs as a musician then there would be a problem.
 

If Royce never plays basketball anywhere and eventually isn't getting all this attention. What will he do then? If he was my kid, I would be very concerned and worried about him. He needs some guidance and needs to get back into school. Don't piss away your talent. Everything about him screams distraction.
 

how many different ads are needed for a 19th b-day party
 

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