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Interesting.

I don't know what about an AD makes them magic fundraisers. I've seen some AD's touted as great fundraisers ... and they go somewhere else and don't...

"Just get more money!"

That seems like a job canon kinda situation.

If it was that easy everyone would "just get more money".
 


Gopherchase said:
He’s one of the worst public speakers I’ve ever heard but perhaps he’s better one on one? In general, my guess is that it’s probably left more to the coaches because he sucks. See PJ doing well in this area and Ben failing.
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I can attest that Coyle is as miserable one on one as he is as a public speaker.
And speaking of money raising skills, we still have a deficit on Athletes Village....and how long has Coyle been here?
 



proudgopher said:
I can attest that Coyle is as miserable one on one as he is as a public speaker.
And speaking of money raising skills, we still have a deficit on Athletes Village....and how long has Coyle been here?
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Plus, wasn't Lou Nanne supposed to be helping out on the fund-raising front? (especially during the time the Athletes Village was built)
 

proudgopher said:
I can attest that Coyle is as miserable one on one as he is as a public speaker.
And speaking of money raising skills, we still have a deficit on Athletes Village....and how long has Coyle been here?
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What's the rate on the Athletes Village loan?

I see folks bring it up like it's some terrible thing to have a loan or something ... that's not how it works.
 




Word said:
Can we all agree it would be better if it was paid off vs still paying on a loan?
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No .... if you have X amount of dollars and you could pay down a loan, or use it elsewhere, using it elsewhere may in fact be the right choice.

www.investopedia.com

Opportunity Cost: Definition, Formula, and Examples

Opportunity cost is the potential forgone profit from a missed opportunity—the result of choosing one alternative over another.
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A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
No .... if you have X amount of dollars and you could pay down a loan, or use it elsewhere, using it elsewhere may in fact be the right choice.

www.investopedia.com

Opportunity Cost: Definition, Formula, and Examples

Opportunity cost is the potential forgone profit from a missed opportunity—the result of choosing one alternative over another.
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We are not arguing the same thing. The rest of us are saying if we had fundraisers that could get say, General Mills, to give us $50 million to pay off the athletes village that is better than not going out and getting donations. It's like you are arguing it's better for me to take out a loan on a car than have my rich uncle buy it for me.
 

Word said:
We are not arguing the same thing. The rest of us are saying if we had fundraisers that could get say, General Mills, to give us $50 million to pay off the athletes village that is better than not going out and getting donations. It's like you are arguing it's better for me to take out a loan on a car than have my rich uncle buy it for me.
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I think that argument is ... absurd / magical thinking.

This idea that "well if you just get $50 million" ... what is that?

Why not just get $100 million, $200 million? If that's a thing you just do, why not do that? Why doesn't everyone do that?

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A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I think that argument is ... absurd / magical thinking.

This idea that "well if you just get $50 million" ... what is that?

Why not just get $100 million, $200 million? If that's a thing you just do, why not do that? Why doesn't everyone do that?

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So just throw your hands up in the air and not try? Fundraising is pointless?
I've worked with youth sports organizations and that kind of attitude would devastate those programs.

I think the U should exhaust every possible avenue for fundraising. Medved already has proven to be better than Ben in that regard. I would venture to guess someone could do better than Coyle in that regard. It's worth trying.
 



A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
What's the rate on the Athletes Village loan?

I see folks bring it up like it's some terrible thing to have a loan or something ... that's not how it works.
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I’m not sure they run the U like a private company that analyzes whether they can get a higher return on their money somewhere else than they would by paying off a loan. As long as we’re servicing debt on the athletes Village, that’s taking money away from somewhere else it could be spent; would likely be how the bean counters at the U look at it.
 

Word said:
So just throw your hands up in the air and not try? Fundraising is pointless?
I've worked with youth sports organizations and that kind of attitude would devastate those programs.

I think the U should exhaust every possible avenue for fundraising. Medved already has proven to be better than Ben in that regard. I would venture to guess someone could do better than Coyle in that regard. It's worth trying.
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Who said nobody tried?

Megatounge was brought in because he was supposedly an amazing fund raiser, it didn't happen. That pattern repeats all the time across schools...
 


Word said:
Worth trying harder or finding someone who is good at it. It could be better. But I don't think you and I will ever agree on that.
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Who said they're not trying harder.

I say they're trying harder.

There ... same kinda magical thinking. All done.

This is one of those "idea guys" problems where someone asks some lone dev to just code the next facebook. There's reasons you can't just expect that to happen, but not to idea guy, he doesn't have to do it, just whatever pops in his head someone should try ... it didn't work out? Well they didn't try harder!
 

Word said:
We are not arguing the same thing. The rest of us are saying if we had fundraisers that could get say, General Mills, to give us $50 million to pay off the athletes village that is better than not going out and getting donations. It's like you are arguing it's better for me to take out a loan on a car than have my rich uncle buy it for me.
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I just knew I should not have bought you that car.
 


Gopherchase said:
I’m not sure they run the U like a private company that analyzes whether they can get a higher return on their money somewhere else than they would by paying off a loan. As long as we’re servicing debt on the athletes Village, that’s taking money away from somewhere else it could be spent; would likely be how the bean counters at the U look at it.
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If they aren’t managing finances like that they should be fired. You don’t pay off debt just to be out of debt.
 



Word said:
So just throw your hands up in the air and not try? Fundraising is pointless?
I've worked with youth sports organizations and that kind of attitude would devastate those programs.

I think the U should exhaust every possible avenue for fundraising. Medved already has proven to be better than Ben in that regard. I would venture to guess someone could do better than Coyle in that regard. It's worth trying.
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You seem to have an easy time telling other people how to spend their money and how much and easy that would be.
 
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Gopherchase said:
I’m not sure they run the U like a private company that analyzes whether they can get a higher return on their money somewhere else than they would by paying off a loan. As long as we’re servicing debt on the athletes Village, that’s taking money away from somewhere else it could be spent; would likely be how the bean counters at the U look at it.
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The loan is from the university itself. Pretty sure any interest is minimal and matters little.
 

mngolf said:
The loan is from the university itself. Pretty sure any interest is minimal and matters little.
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Then just treat it like the national debt. Move on, and don't worry about it.
 


MisterGopher said:

Jonathan Smith buyout to leave Michigan State football sliced in half with dismissal of AD​

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/jonathan-smith-buyout-leave-michigan-103646321.html?guccounter=1
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Very interesting article. The firing of Haller as AD reduced the football coach's (Smith's) buyout by 50%. Actual numbers? Smith's contract buyout declines from a shockingly low $6M to a miniscule $3M (dead man walking ...). By comparison, Luke Fickell's buyout number at Wisconsin is a little over $40M, and PJ's buyout (pegged at 65% of salary, supplemental comp and retention bonus) was at $26.9M duding 2024 season and grows with each contract extension at higher pay.
 

Word said:
We are not arguing the same thing. The rest of us are saying if we had fundraisers that could get say, General Mills, to give us $50 million to pay off the athletes village that is better than not going out and getting donations. It's like you are arguing it's better for me to take out a loan on a car than have my rich uncle buy it for me.
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And what makes you think Coyle is the reason no one is donating? Could it be that General Mills has no reason to donate?
 

Word said:
Worth trying harder or finding someone who is good at it. It could be better. But I don't think you and I will ever agree on that.
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You mean like how Coyle replaced Teague?

Who do you think has the magical touch to bring in the money that isn't there now?

You sound like the people who want the local Fortune 500 companies to donate to NIL because...reasons?
 

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